The eternal gospel (everlasting gospel)

[michaelvpardo]

Paul never said it was not him my friend . He just didnt like to boast in himself .
See the entire reason for his writing this , was to show them that we are naught , but Christ is the ALL .
And thus we ought not be boasting in ourselves , nor envying one another .
He did this to cut the legs off those whose pride was in themselves and were leading men in the wrong direction .
The thing to learn from this is , HUMILITY . That was the message and men are just men . WE are nothing great .
GOD is great and JESUS is KING . SO LET HIS Name be praised . AND if anyone wants to boast , BOAST IN THE LORD ALONE .
FOR it is GOD who gives each one their own gift . AND its meant not for us to be exalted , but for the edifying of the body ,
and for CHRIST to be exalted in heart and in mind . SO LET ALL THAT DRAWS BREATH , SOUND A GLORIOUS PRAISE OUT UNTO THE WONDEROUS LORD .

I think this way also, but I don't think the meaning of the passage is altered. However, giving God the glory and the problem with boasting was known to Paul, at least when he wrote about his "credentials " as a Jew but counted them as dung. I think boasting in some aspects is a common fault and an indication of pride, the pride of life. Given generous natural gifts its natural to consider them our own. The boast neglects the idea that God made us as we are, sovereignly provides opportunities, and either blesses us or curses us according to His will. But boasting in your relationship with the Lord is personal testimony and often perceived as arrogance, pride and sin.
Thank you for your comments. I think it might be a good idea to get this thread locked down, before it gets too long for the contemporary attention span (its already exceeded mine). I believe that we have a good start here and I'd prefer it to end well too. I'm sure that we'll have opportunities in the threads to follow to go back and expand on or repeat those things that people object to.
Anybody know how to lock a thead?

 

[michaelvpardo]

One day soon the King shall come and forever the lambs will be with the one who set us free . LET THE LORD BE PRAISED .
For yet a little while and HE that shall come shall indeed come and will not tarry . Praise the glorious LORD . HOME is with the KING .

I guess that you're the default worship leader. Do you have a version of the Revelation song sung with multiple voices?
I loved strumming and singing to that song. I attended a Calvary Chapel down on the Jersey shore for a while and they had a guitar fellowship open to the congregation.
I loved playing and singing with the worship leader, pastor, and some real talent from the congregation. They even made my playing sound good.
It would be perfect for the opening of the thread and closing with "love songs," is always a great way to finish. Thank you, brother. There's been a lot of grace on display in this thread and a growing unity that just shines out His love. The Lord inhabits the praises of His people and praise has flowed via the internet. I wouldn't have thought that possible, but here we are.

 

[Timtofly]

Job 38:4-7 KJV
4) Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5) Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6) Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7) When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Sequencing is everything. The earth was created and formed before God created man. Who then was singing and shouting?

Psalms 104:1-9 KJV
1) Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty.
2) Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:
3) Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:
4) Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
5) Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
6) Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
7) At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.
8) They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.
9) Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.

Genesis 1:1-10 KJV
1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2) And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3) And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4) And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5) And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6) And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7) And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8) And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

{4. Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire: } Angels created Second/Third day?

9) And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10) And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

Here is a possiblity of when the angels were created.

The sons of God is an expression used of those who were God's direct creations, Adam, angels, the redeemed. Jesus, when He was born, was the only begotten Son of God. He remains the uniquely begotten Son of God.

Interestingly, you will never see a reference in the Bible of angels actually singing. Check it out. If these "morning stars" are angels, this is the only instance.

If we ask, who are these others, the morning stars, there is another very interesting thing.

Revelation 22:16 KJV
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Revelation 2:26-28 KJV
26) And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27) And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28) And I will give him the morning star.

2 Peter 1:19 KJV
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

Galatians 4:19 KJV
My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

Who are these morning stars who sing?



In that Adam called Eve the mother of all living, I'm thinking there were just the two of them.

Much love!

Genesis 1:16-19

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.


Angels on the 4th Day.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I see that you don't comprehend the role of the prophet in redemptive history or as it applies to the church, but tell me the order of church discipline if you will.

Well I do understand the role of prophet in the OT and the different role He takes in the NT (According to 3-4 spiritual gift tests and the acclamation of many pastiors, I am considered a NT prophet).

But church discipline before an elder is very very simple.

1 Timothy 5:19-22
King James Version

19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.

20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.


Outside of this any action taken that would be disciplanary in nature is sin.

I recently had several in my church come to me com-plaining about issues with 2 pastors.

I first asked if they went alopne to them before I would even entertain anything they would say.

Then I asked if they believed what was happening was sin or leading the church astray.

Then I asked if they would allow me to approach th epastor with their charges as a second witness.

It is a very grave thing even for one gifted as a prophet to stand against an elder.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I'm in no hurry for the order of church discipline, but I'll give you the order of authority, or better stated, the order of service, which apparently has been neglected or ignored by a large portion of the church upon Earth.
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 1 Corinthians 12:27-29

Sorry but those gifted with the gift of prophecy are still required to submit themselves to a Pastor/teacher. God doesn't use lone ranger Christians. It is the church that recognizes and ordains the gifted for service. Even the Apostle Paul submitted himself to the church for His missions journeys to be sent!

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't believe he was being deceptive, but I'm certain more people view it how you do. But this is nothing to separate you from me!

Much love!

But flee this my friend . I aint big at all on rap , but this song hits the nail right in the head . and every name they named
are false . And many more as well .

 

[Davy]

'And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven,
having the everlasting gospel to preach
unto them that dwell on the earth,
and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Saying with a loud voice,
"Fear God, and give glory to Him;
for the hour of His judgment is come:
and worship Him that made heaven, and earth,
and the sea, and the fountains of waters.'
(Rev 14:6-7)

Hello @Davy,

The gospel being referred to as, 'The Everlasting Gospel', is that found in Revelation 14, which is specifically called by that name. No other good news of God in Scripture is so called. What it is declaring is clear and unequivocal, and is very obviously not the gospel of the grace of God whereby we are now being saved.

Disservice is done to the word of God and His truth, by insisting that this gospel is that by which we were saved, and that there is no other gospel, or 'good news' given by God. For example, 'The Gospel of the Kingdom', differs in content from 'The Gospel of the grace of God'.

'The Everlasting Gospel' was proclaimed by the Creator to His sinful creatures after the Fall (Jude 14:15, Hebrews 11:7 and 2 Peter 2:5). ; and it will be proclaimed again at the end. Hence its name 'everlasting'.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Notice I put your big FIB WORDS in Bold Red and Large Letters.

The "everlasting gospel" of Rev.14 is The Gospel of Jesus Christ! And I KNOW OF NO OTHER GOSPEL THAT CAN SAVE taught in God's Word! It is the same Gospel preached to Abraham, the same Gospel Jesus preached, the same Gospel Christ's Apostles preached, and the same Gospel that Apostle Paul preached. Any other gospel is just rubbish.

YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY CONFUSED.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Sorry but those gifted with the gift of prophecy are still required to submit themselves to a Pastor/teacher. God doesn't use lone ranger Christians. It is the church that recognizes and ordains the gifted for service. Even the Apostle Paul submitted himself to the church for His missions journeys to be sent!

Please show me this in scripture. For that matter, show me where the authority of a pastor is even defined. Didn't you know that every pastor who preaches in the power of the Spirit is a prophet?
Sad, very sad indeed.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Sorry but those gifted with the gift of prophecy are still required to submit themselves to a Pastor/teacher. God doesn't use lone ranger Christians. It is the church that recognizes and ordains the gifted for service. Even the Apostle Paul submitted himself to the church for His missions journeys to be sent!

By the way, I was ordained for the ministry by the laying on of the hands and prayer by a wonderful elderly pastor at Grace Tabernacle in South Belmar, NJ, now called Lake Coumo. It was an independent Baptist congregation, but I'm no less ordained, no less annointed, no less taught by God, no less sent to the mission, no less a witness to the judgment, and preacher of the gospel.
Have a nice day.

 

[michaelvpardo]

But flee this my friend . I aint big at all on rap , but this song hits the nail right in the head . and every name they named
are false . And many more as well .

Amen, brother and I stand a second witness against them, but my eyes are streaming tears and His Spirit is moving in the church like a great flood. Revival my friend, and I pray restoration remains the way that none be lost. Amen
Did you see the news about the diamond find in Africa? Treasures of the Earth and already some are talking about buying fancy cars and high living. I hope that they heed the lessons of drought and store up provisions for themselves.
God only knows.
I wrote a rap song some years back about the condemnation and sufferings of our Lord and called it Public enemy number one. I didn't sing it because rap isn't my style unless it's like Bob Dylan, but I showed a few friends. Truth remains truth no matter where you hear it, no matter who speaks it, but the scriptures confirm it and I hope that my memory doesn't fail me completely. I'm a little angry at Teddy Atik, for not informing me of the anesthesia to be used on my surgeries, and for what he meant by the second not going so well. If this gets to him I forgive him, but I'd really like to know what occurred when they wiped my short term memory for surgery. My friend Dr. Richard would probably know. He's an anesthesiologist but I dont recall talking to him since he served as an elder at Grace Tabernacle. I miss a lot of people. Richard is a dear brother.
Oh well, I suppose that it really doesn't matter anyway.
The Lord doesn't need me to finish the job and I've been ready for the "long dirt nap" for at least a decade.
Whatever.
Thank you again, brother, for blessing my soul. It seems like you always do.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Sad, very sad indeed. I've been an elder to elders and you think that I don't understand the course of church discipline? The first step is always to confront a brother privately and that is always what I've done. The congregation and the Lord has always done the rest and you clearly are clueless about the primary role of the prophet.

You are not a Samuel by any means. Your haughty spirit gives it away. and you skipped a step before it gets to the congregation.

Please show me this in scripture. For that matter, show me where the authority of a pastor is even defined. Didn't you know that every pastor who preaches in the power of the Spirit is a prophet?
Sad, very sad indeed.

You almost sound pentecostal.

But no a Pastor may be a prophet but not all pastors are prophets.

But as for the authority of a pastor:

Matt. 18:
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

This is in the church. The Apsotles were the first elders and they passed on this authority. Church folk cannot do this for they must bring it before 2-3 witnesses and then before the congregation which by default requires the elders.

Ephesians 4:11-13
King James Version

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

This is not in a prescribed order but simply a list.
1 Timothy 5:17

Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.


Titus 1:5-11
King James Version

5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;

9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:

11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

James 5:14
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

1 Peter 5
The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock. ...


1 Timothy 3
King James Version

3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

1. Hebrews 13:7
   Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. Hebrews 13:17
   Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
3. Hebrews 13:24
   Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.

To sum up what Gods Word says:

1. teach the flocks
2. Feed the flocks
3. Watch over the flocks
4. Rule th eflocks.

By the way, I was ordained for the ministry by the laying on of the hands and prayer by a wonderful elderly pastor at Grace Tabernacle in South Belmar, NJ, now called Lake Coumo. It was an independent Baptist congregation, but I'm no less ordained, no less annointed, no less taught by God, no less sent to the mission, no less a witness to the judgment, and preacher of the gospel.
Have a nice day.

Well then as Pastor to Pastor congratulations. Are you pastoring a local church now? Are you sitting under a shepherd now? I am in an independant Baptist church as well. It takes the laying on of hands by th eelders of a church that elevates one to the pastorate whether it be a big sect, or a small locaql church.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Someone let you be a pastor?
Sad, very, very, very, sad. I bet your congregation had a real brass band.

Well I am not a senior pastor. Just a teaching pastor.

and the thousands of souls I led to Christ in the county jail are glad I am a pastor/teacher.
The people in China that got saved because I went are glad.
The people I taught in Bible College are glad
The people I taught in Argentina are glad
The people I taughtr in New Mexico are glad
The [people I taught in Israel are glad
Many who listened to my radio broadcasts are glad
The people I taught in bible Institute are glad
The people I taught in bible studies are glad
The people I taught visiting churches are glad.
Pastors I worked with and changed the course of their churches are glad

So I will let their testimony comfort me as well as the Spirit of God. You know me by a few lines on a screen and you crow like a rooster strutting like you know something- that is what is sad! Just remember this passage for you are in it now:

Proverbs 16:18
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

From one prophet to another.

 

[amigo de christo]

Well I am not a senior pastor. Just a teaching pastor.

and the thousands of souls I led to Christ in the county jail are glad I am a pastor/teacher.
The people in China that got saved because I went are glad.
The people I taught in Bible College are glad
The people I taught in Argentina are glad
The people I taughtr in New Mexico are glad
The [people I taught in Israel are glad
Many who listened to my radio broadcasts are glad
The people I taught in bible Institute are glad
The people I taught in bible studies are glad
The people I taught visiting churches are glad.
Pastors I worked with and changed the course of their churches are glad

So I will let their testimony comfort me as well as the Spirit of God. You know me by a few lines on a screen and you crow like a rooster strutting like you know something- that is what is sad! Just remember this passage for you are in it now:

Proverbs 16:18
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

From one prophet to another.

Pray about this , but that sure does look like a whole lott of I s to me my friend .
We need to see some more J s in that . As in JESUS .

 

[marks]

Genesis 1:16-19

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Maybe this means the lights in the sky? I'm wondering, what would God say if that were what He meant?

Much love!

 

[michaelvpardo]

Maybe this means the lights in the sky? I'm wondering, what would God say if that were what He meant?

Much love!

Hint: how do lights rule anything? Strongs #4475

 

[marks]

But flee this my friend . I aint big at all on rap , but this song hits the nail right in the head . and every name they named
are false . And many more as well .

That doesn't really look like a video I'm interested in, but thank you!

Much love!

 

[marks]

Hint: how do lights rule anything? Strongs #4475

What are the stars?

Much love!

 

[michaelvpardo]

What are the stars?

Much love!

Smaller lights (though not physically).
The better question is who are the heavenly hosts?
In the next thread we're going to try to start from the end and support it from the beginning as the Apostles did in the first century, though I don't know the actual order of the writing of the New Testament books. We'll look at the bride and the Spirit calling to our Lord and beckoning for His return. I did have a little problem with the first post. Kind of a fly in the ointment, but it's been removed before it stinks up the place. Probably too much information in a response I gave, but why hide our purpose when it's to put the last of Christ's enemies under His feet and worship Him in glory. I still don't believe that you can give too much information, but if we proceed slowly, being thorough in our study and paying attention closely to the Holy Spirit, young saints will learn, people will be blessed, and Jesus will be lifted up to the Glory of the Father. Amen

 

[michaelvpardo]

Notice I put your big FIB WORDS in Bold Red and Large Letters.

The "everlasting gospel" of Rev.14 is The Gospel of Jesus Christ! And I KNOW OF NO OTHER GOSPEL THAT CAN SAVE taught in God's Word! It is the same Gospel preached to Abraham, the same Gospel Jesus preached, the same Gospel Christ's Apostles preached, and the same Gospel that Apostle Paul preached. Any other gospel is just rubbish.

YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY CONFUSED.

Davy, my young brother, I dont think you understood what Charity said and I'm pretty sure that you don't understand a lot of what I'm saying. You really don't have to understand these things, they have no effect on your salvation, but I'm begging you not to lean on your own understanding and say evil things about another very blessed saint and one with a sweet aroma of grace in her posts. Charity is not in the least bit confused, she just understands quite a bit more than you do. She's scholarly like a good Berean, and full of the Holy Spirit. I'm not suggesting that you aren't, but this thread shouldn't be filled with false accusation, carnal argument, or undermining the testimony of any saint.
Do you understand, friend?

 

[marks]

I see that you don't comprehend the role of the prophet in redemptive history or as it applies to the church, but tell me the order of church discipline if you will.

What is it that you see?

Much love!