Eternally Grateful
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When we look at it. Christ was accused by the same from the religious leaders of his day. He was accused of condoning sin. And rejecting their laws..
So I guess we are in good company
new version of OSAS?
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So I guess we are in good company
Eternally Grateful
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So did David. Who sinned great sins, after he was called a man after Gods heart forsake his sin
Or how about Abraham. A man who God said believed and at that point was declared righteous and then committed many sins. Forsake his sin?
Or were all their sins just fiction and not real so we could get some story out of the OT?
Paul said nothing about a choice between grace and law.
Nothing? Wow......he devoted an entire Book Of the Bible about it......it’s called “ Galatians”..... Check it out sometime....
Nothing? Wow......he devoted an entire Book Of the Bible about it......it’s called “ Galatians”..... Check it out sometime....
We “ should” and most likely “ will” do all of these things once we Rest in the Gospel and have God’s Holy Spirit within us....theses things will occur naturally in the Born Again man who is “ a New Creation”.....
Yes, these things , over time, SHOULD happen.....just don’t confuse “ SHOULD” with “MUST”——- the only things that “ MUST” happen is for one to Believe that Jesus was God in the Flesh and that Jesus rose from the dead ....( Rom 10:9 )
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You can bring all the Old Testament people you want, but none of them got saved until this happened:
"For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit." (1 Peter 4:6)
And regarding David, the OSAS’ers favorite example, he said this:
"I was also upright before him, and have kept myself from mine iniquity. Therefore the LORD hath recompensed me according to my righteousness; according to my cleanness in his eye sight." (2 Samuel 22:24-25)
Too bad there isn’t another account of David committing adultery and murder again after repentance before God…
HA... I quoted myself.... because.... oh my GOODNESS.... just when I thought my day couldn't get any better.... I went for a wee walk to the grocery store.... and I stopped in at the dollar store first and oh my goodness........ WAIT for it....
I bought myself an INSULATED lunch bag...... Can you believe it y'all??? It just doesn't get any better than this...
So...... after I share this unbelievable testimony....I am going to make myself a lunch... put it in my INSULATED brand new lunch bag... make some more coffee... and fill up my BRAND NEW thermos.... with the cute little clicky top.... and I am off to the beach for the rest of the day.... while I meditate and ponder on the AMAZING GOODNESS of GOD.... I shall sit in my most amazing new RED beach chair.... read my bible... and celebrate the fact that I am tremendously loved... and cherished by ALMIGHTY GOD.... This is something that legalism has ROBBED me of for all my Christian life... This JOY.... this overflowing JOY has been traded in for all my mourning... all my sorrow and suffering... and oddly... I do not remember one ounce of pain that I have ever experienced...
All the above to say to the LEGALISTS here.... It is this JOY that your doctrine has ROBBED me from... It is this CONFIDENCE and ASSURANCE in my SALVATION that you all have tried to STEAL from me... over and over again... It is this JOY that floods my soul... that I am JUST NOW beginning to feel... BECAUSE GOD has finally been able to convince me that it's TRUE..... I am SAFE in HIM... I belong to HIM... I have been purchased by HIM... and I shall REST IN HIM.
Boy oh boy..... ain't NO BODY going to steal my JOY!!!!!!!!!!
Eternally Grateful
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He was considered saved BEFORE he committed those sins. Chosen by God
and fancy you ignored Abraham
Its ok. Like I said,. I am not the deceived one .
The Once Saved Always Saved adherents (the majority of them) are stuck on the part of the gospel that speaks to the lost, Believe only and be saved; they fail to grow in the faith resulting in their infant stomachs not capable of digesting the spiritual meat of the gospel:
I am an OSAS man because Jesus was .( “ If you Believe In Me, you ALREADY HAVE Eternal Life and shall NEVER come under Condemnation “ ) However, That is a subject for another day.....
I am “ Stuck” on Nothing. You wanna graduate from Milk to Meat ? I have.The ULTIMATE Way to be a Partaker Of Meat is for your Faith to reach the point that you REST in the Gospel Of Grace Plus NOTHING ( no more Adding to Grace for your Salvation) and understand this—- “ Love God, and live as you please”.... If you think that is just the most outrageous and blasphemous Thing That you have ever heard.... you are still on the milk bottle....
Having said these things, strong Faith is pleasing to God, but there is something that trumps all of this stuff....what kind of Love do you extend to your fellow man ....are you kind, compassionate, quick to forgive? Whoever exceeds in these things the most is the Best Christian.....Any “ partaker Of Meat” that does not become a man like this can take both his “milk and meat” and throw them in a dumpster....” Love” is the ultimate measure .....whoever has that in his life is the wisest, most mature “ meat Eater” ......one can have the “Faith to move mountains”—- without Love that man is nothing.....Meat =Love.
I am an OSAS man because Jesus was .( “ If you Believe In Me, you ALREADY HAVE Eternal Life and shall NEVER come under Condemnation “ ) However, That is a subject for another day.....
I am “ Stuck” on Nothing. You wanna graduate from Milk to Meat ? I have.The ULTIMATE Way to be a Partaker Of Meat is for your Faith to reach the point that you REST in the Gospel Of Grace Plus NOTHING ( no more Adding to Grace for your Salvation) and understand this—- “ Love God, and live as you please”.... If you think that is just the most outrageous and blasphemous Thing That you have ever heard.... you are still on the milk bottle....
Having said these things, strong Faith is pleasing to God, but there is something that trumps all of this stuff....what kind of Love do you extend to your fellow man ....are you kind, compassionate, quick to forgive? Whoever exceeds in these things the most is the Best Christian.....Any “ partaker Of Meat” that does not become a man like this can take both his “milk and meat” and throw them in a dumpster....” Love” is the ultimate measure .....whoever has that in his life is the wisest, most mature “ meat Eater” ......one can have the “Faith to move mountains”—- without Love that man is nothing.....Meat =Love.
Eternally Grateful
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Amen sister
Godsaid come to
Me and I will give you rest
not come to Me and I will make you work harder
If you truly understood “ Sin” you would readily acknowledge that you sin every hour of every day....to know that something is good to do and yet you do not do it is a sin, according to your Bible.....you know there are people out there on the streets that are hungry and in need of shelter, don’t you? How many Strangers have you invited into your home to feed and clothe today, Sinner?
Impure thoughts are also a Sin, so how is that” thought-life” holding up, Sinner?
Get real, fellow Sinner.....you ain’t fooling us and you ain’t fooling God—— be wise.....take the “ loop hole” ......cling to Grace!
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and, I'm envious! I want to be sitting on a beach in my chair with my lunch bag and thermos filled with Chocolate Coffee!
Much love! Enjoy!!
Do you admit that man cannot save himself from the power of death?
Jesus finished the work, agreed? You and I couldn't nor could do it...
Jesus is the one that died, was buried and arose and lives forever......not us, agreed?
Alone, He is our Deliverer[salvation]noun
Yet
Unless you believe you are not delivered by Him.....do you agree?
For it is impossible to please God without faith
the one that comes to Him must believe that He is and is a rewarder to them that diligently seek Him.
Do you believe belief is not neccessary?
If not read EPHESIANS 1:13
It was after that, "ye believed, ye were sealed"
Meaning they trusted "a whom"
Believe and trust are things we do? Do you agree?....Even if God Gave us the abilty... we still must exercise it.....agreed?
You get stuck because of the passage
EPHESIANS 2:8 , how you view it through Osas and how you see grace....but you see we are not saved through anything we have done, we are saved through what Christ has done when we believed..and continue to believe, rely on, put confidence in....
When it is speaking of works, It means by direct effort by our natural abilities in the flesh to earn.
The first saved..Eph 2:5....is being brought from death to life....For God is not the God of the dead but the living....those who were born from above were made alive WITH Christ,
were given the promised Spirit.
So He saved them from the Penalty of Sin..eternal seperation....agreed?
But He saved those from the penalty of sin so they can live by His life. [V7]
Let me say that another way He saved us from the Penalty of Sin so we can be saved by His life.
Your question might be How are we saved by His life. Remember the passages, about the life giving Spirit, we have a new nature....and no longer enslaved to the old nature
Recall the passage in Romans, who shall save(deliver) us from this body of death?
Answer
Jesus our Lord...when we rely (believe,trust, put confidence in) on Him as Lord. When we are led by the Spirit ..we renew our minds with right thoughts, attitudes, and beliefs. RECALL the passage I will give them a new heart and put my Spirit within them so that they will be careful to obey my statutes....Another words we are becoming new...our character is changing....so when your character changes you naturally do what is in your heart.
Therefore reliance on Christ is how we become like Him.
That is the grace of God that bringeth Salvation...that teaches us we should live soberly , righteous and Godly In this present world. I think that is in Titus.
Those who are born from above....is who I am speaking about.
Paul declares in Romans 5:10, “For if when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.”
So remember we Have His Spirit now....agreed?
We do something
because it is what we do with Christ.....remember in EPHESIANS 2 when we were quickened together "with" Christ.
But it is not to earn what has already been given to save us....
It is How we have a relationship...or learn to relate to the Father by a relationship with the son.
That is the Life that is in His Son
Recall the passage, I give to them eternal life and this life is in the son
Recall the only definition That I know of, of the meaning of Eternal life-which is to "know"the only true God and Jesus Christ who He has sent.
The word "know" means intimately...like Adam knew Eve
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Eternal Life is through Jesus....
This is hard to write on my phone....I hope it answered your questions
Why would you say this?
Obviously, you haven't met anywhere NEAR a majority of "OSAS" adherants. I imagine you've actually met very few overall. So even if everyone you've met thinks this way - and I have no reason to actually believe that - then at best you are taking the example of a few and judging all the rest.
And you discount the work of God in their lives. Are you thinking we have a Creator who "saves" us, but doesn't change us?
Much love!
Also @Tong2020 Jesus became the Source of Salvation....
When your foundation is Trusting something He did to secure heaven when you die....
You will not understand scriptures..
Because...then one tries to fit passages of regeneration into Their justification....passages.
But again you must Trust Jesus....for In Him there is forgiveness.
When you trust what He did for heaven when you die...it interprets as this: Jesus did it all so I do nothing....I believed and I received it all...
Then when you read passages they must fit into that box....Sorry it is wrong....and @Tong you will have to unravel that thinking....Trust Jesus as Lord and say over everything...
And it will take you to humble yourself from what you thought you knew....
Many OSASers are caught in legalism...
It is their belief system they must believe (do) that saves them...Many are like the pharisees, yet can't see it yet.....Trust Jesus rely on Him, He is in control.....
When your foundation is Trusting something He did to secure heaven when you die....
You will not understand scriptures..
Because...then one tries to fit passages of regeneration into Their justification....passages.
But again you must Trust Jesus....for In Him there is forgiveness.
When you trust what He did for heaven when you die...it interprets as this: Jesus did it all so I do nothing....I believed and I received it all...
Then when you read passages they must fit into that box....Sorry it is wrong....and @Tong you will have to unravel that thinking....Trust Jesus as Lord and say over everything...
And it will take you to humble yourself from what you thought you knew....
Many OSASers are caught in legalism...
It is their belief system they must believe (do) that saves them...Many are like the pharisees, yet can't see it yet.....Trust Jesus rely on Him, He is in control.....
The main question is:
Test and evaluate yourselves to see whether you are in the faith and living your lives as [committed] believers. Examine yourselves [not me]! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves [by an ongoing experience] that Jesus Christ is in you—unless indeed you fail the test and are rejected as counterfeit?
2 Cor 13:5
Test and evaluate yourselves to see whether you are in the faith and living your lives as [committed] believers. Examine yourselves [not me]! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves [by an ongoing experience] that Jesus Christ is in you—unless indeed you fail the test and are rejected as counterfeit?
2 Cor 13:5
Eternally Grateful
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The prodigal son was still the son, but if he looked at his life. would he think he earned his fathers love? Probabky not
But he was his fathers son. It was his fathers blood flowing through him
You can't break the bond of blood birth. it is forever.
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If you are not going to sin knowingly and deliberately, and stay with the teaching of the Saviour to whom you owe your salvation, then you are no different from other Christians who seek to live a life that is pleasing to God. The trouble is, I have heard this from several people, that you reject any and all laws. So what gives?
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Children obey their parents and a born again Christian is a child of God, so we need to obey the Lord.
But, it appears to me from what people say, that you preach a rebellious lifestyle. How do you rationalise this?
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Eternally Grateful
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so your sin by accident? Is this what you are saying, You do not sin you make oopsies..
Now if people are living in sin. as the world. Then how could they be saved? John said they have never seen or known God.
me?
I admit my sin. And yes. They are my fault. I willingly sin. knowing the consequences. We ALL so. (to say you do not. You are deceiving yourself)
Eternally Grateful
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I teach a rebellious lifestyle?
Can you please show proof that this is what I teach? If your going to accuse me. then show proof.
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