When You See the Abomination of Desolation Stand in the Holy Place

[Randy Kluth]

There is one other,

Daniel 12:9-13 KJV
9) And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10) Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11) And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12) Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13) But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

It will be set up 1335 days prior to Daniel's resurrection.

Much love!

Yes, I usually connect that with Dan 11, because ch. 12 follows with a summation of the book, ending with a recap of what was said in the last part of Dan 11. I see Dan 12 as summarizing the book in two major prophecies in Daniel's future. The following has to do with the end of the age, and the reign of Antichrist, which had been covered in ch. 7:

Dan 12.6 One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?”
7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”

And the following is an event closer to Daniel's time, the reign of Antiochus 4:

Dan 12.11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days."

It may seem weird to some to think that Daniel would juxtapose two separate events in a single summary of the book. But both events were critical, since Antiochus 4 would be a major event in the life of Israel, and the time of Antichrist would prove to be the end of Israel's time of waiting.

That's why I didn't mention ch. 12, because I have to go into an extensive explanation. I've studied it all. The 1290 days relate to Antiochus' reign. The 1260 days, mentioned in Revelation, have to do with Antichrist's reign. These are two different figures, with slightly different lengths of time for their reigns.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Matthew 24:21-22 KJV
21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Many see this passage as relating:

Revelation 3:10 KJV
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

I don't understand the "great tribulation" to be about the Jews suffering for sins, rather, to push them to Jesus.

Perhaps a thread comparing and contrasting Luke's and Matthew's records?

Luke recorded the prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem, and the scattering of the Jews. Matthew recorded Jesus' prophecy of the end of the age.

Luke 21:10-12 KJV
10) Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
11) And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
12) But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

Much love!

Yes, I hear this regularly, that one version of the Discourse disagrees with another version of the Discourse. Of course, I cannot agree with this! It's a single Discourse! You can't have different stories coming out of Jesus' mouth at the same time!

Rev 3.10 is not a prophecy of the end of the age, but rather, a prophecy of the time in which John lived, as well as all 7 churches John was writing to. This was an actual historical experience--not the reign of Antichrist! John wrote of future things *after* he addressed the current needs of these 7 churches in Asia Minor.

 

[Timtofly]

I'm not sure how you mean this, can you elaborate? Are you saying that the AOD after the second coming of Jesus?

Much love!

Yes, the Second Coming timing is not known, and is not the end. The end is the Gospel being preached. Revelation 14:6-7

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.


Jesus goes from the end, to the interruption of the AoD.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) Revelation 13.

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: Revelation 12:14

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Revelation 8-10

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

This is the here and now.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This is Revelation 6. The tribulation of those days is not after all of the above, but the Second Coming can happen after the first 4 Seals, because the only sign given is the appearance in the sky. That is what the 6th Seal is saying. The sign is also the Second Coming. No one will even notice the first 4 Seals being opened.


In fact some today, claim even the 6th Seal has already been opened. How can the sign appear, without the actual event?

At the Second Coming, Jesus Christ the Lamb brings the Trump of God and the archangel. Only then can the angels and their Trumpets sound. It does not all happen on the same day, the Coming, the fleeing, the tribulation, and the AoD. These events happen in the reverse order Jesus gave. Will more false Christ come, even after Christ is here? Of course. The reason is because the church will be gone and the world will know the church is gone. Any one sent by Satan will sound like a better alternative than God Himself. There will also be a vacuum, when the current religions show up as being false. They will be reinventing themselves on the fly, to offer their Messiah.

The world changing event is not going to be climate change, aliens, nor even world war 3. Even if these occur simultaneously with the main event, since that will be how Satan spins it, even with God and the Lamb present on earth. The main event is the Second Coming, when God removes the spiritual blindness, and humanity sees the spiritual and physical as one equal creation. No more universe where aliens can come from, yet Satan's army will be loosed at the 5th Trumpet. The continents will come together as one, but not because of climate change. There will probably by a severe ME war, because Christ will return to the Mount of Olives, and stop the destruction about to be unleashed on Jerusalem. All things about Jerusalem will change.

There is not going to be an AC before Christ to give away the timing of the return. The attack on Israel may not even happen as a sign. Many posters here do not even consider the 4th Seal major enough to be the tribulation of those days. Many will miss these "not signs", even though John clearly described these 4 alliterative points with different colored horsemen. They are looking for all the wrong things.

 

[Enoch111]

(whoso readeth, let him understand)

This tells us that Jesus expects the saints to understand the reality about the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition, the Beast, the Antichrist. The Abomination of Desolation will be the image of the Beast placed within the Holy Place in a future temple in Jerusalem.

This is the same temple where this Man of Sin will sit and claim that he is God (and Christ). He will present himself as the "true" Jewish Messiah of Israel to Orthodox Jews (who have rejected Jesus of Nazareth). He will also take total control of the whole world for 3 1/2 years. So let the reader understand that Matthew 24:15 gives us a glimpse of what is provided in more detail in Revelation 11-13 (and many other Scriptures, particularly in Daniel).

We have another thread claiming that there will be no such Man of Sin, and the antichrists are all around us, or have been around for centuries, or that the papacy is the Antichrist. All that is completely false.

 

[Davy]

Yes, there is a coming false-Messiah to Jerusalem first, and he will play God according to Apostle Paul in 2 Thess.2, doing great signs and lying wonders, sitting in another Jewish temple there.

Zechariah 12 proclaims that Christ when He comes, He will build the temple (future Millennial sanctuary of Ezekiel 47). Because the false-Messiah must come first to play Christ/God, then he will oversee the building of this next Jewish temple in Jerusalem for the end of this present world, just prior to Christ's return.

The early Church fathers Hippolytus, Irenaeus, Cyril of Jerusalem, et al, understood about this coming false-Messiah to Jerusalem to sit in a temple there at the very end claiming to be Christ/God, and then Jesus comes to destroy him at His coming.

 

[quietthinker]

1....A Temple...what is it or, what is its significance...or, what is its purpose?
2....The daily sacrifice...what is it or, what is its significance....or, what is its purpose?

This needs to be clear before any further understanding.

 

[Enoch111]

1....A Temple...what is it or, what is its significance...or, what is its purpose 2....The daily sacrifice...what is it or, what is its significance....or, what is its purpose? This needs to be clear before any further understanding.

Orthodox Jews believe that since they are still under the Old Covenant, a temple is essential for them. Therefore there are already plans in place to build a third temple in Jerusalem. And once that is built, there will be daily sacrifices (as in the Law of Moses).

Naftali Bennett, who is now the Prime Minister of Israel, had this to say last year: "Israel Defense Minister Naftali Bennett last Wednesday insisted that these are the days of the Third Temple, and that the modern State of Israel is very much a part of the prophesied global redemption." You can read the rest of it here.

Israel Defense Minister: These are the Days of the Third Temple!
Israel Defense Minister: These are the Days of the Third Temple!

 

[Brakelite]

Is the man of sin going to sit in you?

Much love!

No. But he is already sitting in the church... The corporate temple and has desecrated it.
As for the abomination of desolation. The Jerusalem Christians were told, when you see it, run. And they did see it, and they ran, and not one Christian was killed in the destruction of Jerusalem on 70ad. So the question is, what did they see?
They saw the idolatrous standards of Rome on holy ground... Which extended in those times way beyond the walls of the city. Of course, this has a double application for those at the end of time. But in prophecies regarding the last days, we aren't talking about literal local empires. We talking about global spiritual empires. But the road signs are still pointing to Rome. And so does the Prophecy. A global empire, the little horn that grew out of the head of pagan Rome, became an empire in us own right, inherited the philosophies of Greece, the infallible unchangeable laws of Media Persia, the false spiritualism of Babylon, and the destructive tyrannical military power of Rome, and survives until the second coming to be destroyed. An apostate professing Christian counterfeit sitting on holy ground... The church of God...
When she in the final movements of Earth's history flexes her muscles legislating her traditions which she claims as doctrine, and enforcing them upon the world, then it is time to leave the cities, just as the Christians did in Jerusalem

 

[Marc RL Ministry]

Microsoft Word - Blasphemous Writings on the Abomination-the Dome of the Rock.docx (revelation-now.org)

3rd temple and the abomination that causes desolation already exists Allah translates to God, so Allah claims to be God but any building dedicated to God is Gods regardless of who claims to own it and who is worshipping in it. Also interesting fact is "In the name of Allah" looks like a women thumbnail attached.

 

[Truth7t7]

The AOD,
Then the great tribulation
Then Jesus comes.
This is end of age.

People will be able to see it, and respond with material action.

This is visible behavior.

There are a number of different understandings of what the Abomination of Desolation is. What's yours?

Mine is basically that the Man of Sin, the one who will lead the empire of the beast, will sit in the rebuilt Jewish temple, proclaiming himself God.

Do you agree?

Much love!

When Jesus Christ Returns, It Will Be (The End) Of This World

When Jesus Christ Returns It Will Be (The End) Not The Start Of A Millennial Kingdom On Earth

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[Truth7t7]

The AOD,
Then the great tribulation
Then Jesus comes.
This is end of age.

People will be able to see it, and respond with material action.

This is visible behavior.

There are a number of different understandings of what the Abomination of Desolation is. What's yours?

Mine is basically that the Man of Sin, the one who will lead the empire of the beast, will sit in the rebuilt Jewish temple, proclaiming himself God.

Do you agree?

Much love!

When Jesus Christ Returns, It Will Be (The End) Of This World

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation?

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ?

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Truth7t7]

Let the reader understand. What should they understand?

Matthew 24:15-30 KJV
15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17) Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18) Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19) And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20) But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23) Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25) Behold, I have told you before.
26) Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28) For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The AOD,
Then the great tribulation
Then Jesus comes.

This is end of age.

People will be able to see it, and respond with material action.

This is visible behavior.

There are a number of different understandings of what the Abomination of Desolation is. What's yours?

Mine is basically that the Man of Sin, the one who will lead the empire of the beast, will sit in the rebuilt Jewish temple, proclaiming himself God.

Do you agree?

Much love!

Yes, Isaiah 66:1-4 strongly suggest's a future temple built in Jerusalem, with renewed blood animal sacrifice?

I believe the "Abomination" is seen in the spirit of Antichrist, in the renewed animal sacrifice for sin, in complete abomination to the shed blood upon Calvary "Once" by Jesus Christ for the sins of the world

Isaiah 66:1-4KJV
1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Let the reader understand. What should they understand?

Matthew 24:15-30 KJV
15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17) Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18) Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19) And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20) But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23) Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25) Behold, I have told you before.
26) Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28) For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The AOD,
Then the great tribulation
Then Jesus comes.

This is end of age.

People will be able to see it, and respond with material action.

This is visible behavior.

There are a number of different understandings of what the Abomination of Desolation is. What's yours?

Mine is basically that the Man of Sin, the one who will lead the empire of the beast, will sit in the rebuilt Jewish temple, proclaiming himself God.

Do you agree?

Much love!

Revelation 11:1-2
Then there was given me a measuring rod like a staff; and someone said, “Get up and measure the temple of God and the altar, and those who worship in it. Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months.

I've been thinking about the interpretation you propose for a few months now. And I'm not saying I disagree with you. But the passage above appears to contradict this interpretation. Contrary to the idea that an infidel stands in the midst of the temple, it appears that the infidels are only allowed to tread outside the temple.

What do you think?

 

[marks]

But you did make this statement: -

You had written that people assume Daniel's words, "to annoint the most holy" were often assumed to mean the temple.

I responded that I don't make that assumption. But now you are talking about something else.

Much love!

 

[marks]

that supports your assumption.

And what assumption is that again? I'm not following you.

You spoke of assuming that "annoint the most holy" meant the temple. Now you are calling on me to support "my assumption". I've told you I don't make that assumption. What is it you want to know?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Mark it is not good for you to put another member down through the use of false arguments.

We are not told what the "Most Holy" is, and as such many have assumed that this is a reference to the Holy of Holies that was in the temple, but all of Jerusalem will be Holy unto the Lord, because this is the place where God comes down to after the GWTRJ. The Temple of God is built after this happens when the Saints assemble to become the Temple of the Living God.

We should understand that Daniel 7: verses 8 and 25, are separated by over 1,000 years.

Yes, the Little Horn is today causing great words of blasphemy to be spoken out by the peoples of the earth. In just over a 1,000 years time, during which time he will be in the Bottomless pit, after which he rise up from the Bottomless Pit as the False Prophet, to wear out the saints and to change the times and the law, but he is not the primary one who brings and causes desolation among the nations, that is Satan's role.

I'm sorry, I didn't see any Scriptural arguments surrounding this statement, and was trying to associate it things I remembered you saying before.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Yes.

I think so too.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Many on this thread will say this isn’t true. Mark read the scriptures you posted then go to revelation and see. Let God’s word be true. Many will say that this word means this or that. Trust the word of God and when you feel like your at the end of the road ask God he is faithful to give you understanding through the eyes of the Holy Spirit.

I'm curious, these are good admonitions, are you thinking I am lacking in this?

That I'm not seeking God, trusting Him, receiving understanding from the Holy Spirit?

Is there a reason beside that we're reached different conclusions?

Much love!

 

[marks]

That's why I didn't mention ch. 12, because I have to go into an extensive explanation. I've studied it all. The 1290 days relate to Antiochus' reign. The 1260 days, mentioned in Revelation, have to do with Antichrist's reign. These are two different figures, with slightly different lengths of time for their reigns.

The difficulty I have with this interpretation is,

"You shall stand in your lot at the end of the days."

How do you understand that part?

Much love!

 

[marks]

You can't have different stories coming out of Jesus' mouth at the same time!

However, you can have more than one author recording different parts of His discourse, and you can have more than one discourse.

In truth, Matthew and Luke wrote different words saying different things.

Let me ask, for example,

"When you see the abomination of desolation"

And

"When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies"

Both were recorded, so I'm trusting that both were said. One wrote one, the other wrote the other. I don't think on of them changed Jesus' words, so that tells me in fact that He did say two different things there, in whatever manner. Either two discourses, or His prophecy was recorded in part by each.

Much love!