God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

[MatthewG]

If that is what you believe, okay backlit.

 

[Daniel Veler]

Who among you are able to keep the sabbath day Holy? You gag on a gnat but you’ll swallow a camel.

 

[mailmandan]

Who among you are able to keep the sabbath day Holy? You gag on a gnat but you’ll swallow a camel.

Even when sabbatarians set out to "keep" the sabbath day holy, are they truly keeping the sabbath day holy? To "keep the sabbath day" as it was required in the Old Testament under the old covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19). These were commanded by God to Israel. (Exodus 35:1)

If keeping the sabbath day is still in affect today, then why don't sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD has commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he only keeps part of it? If the sabbath day laws are still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profanes the sabbath is put to death and any person who does any work on it shall be cut off from his people. Now who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church or perhaps the Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the old covenant, no sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

 

[charity]

' And He said unto them,
The Sabbath was made for man,
And not man for the Sabbath:
Therefore the Son of Man
Is Lord of the Sabbath.'
(Mark 2:27-28)

 

[ReChoired]

Okay, you may believe however you would like ma'am/sir.

No, that is heresy. I believe according to God's word, the only safe belief/practice.

 

[ReChoired]

' And He said unto them,
The Sabbath was made for man,
And not man for the Sabbath:
Therefore the Son of Man
Is [present tense ongoing (active) indicative, meaning even still now is] Lord of the Sabbath.'
(Mark 2:27-28)

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created,
that are in heaven,
and that are in earth,
visible and invisible,
whether they be
thrones,
or dominions,
or principalities,
or powers:
all things were created
by him,
and for him:

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

 

[ReChoired]

burnt offerings

Still required. Want to see?

 

[MatthewG]

Yeah, ReChoired. I see no reason in fighting or debating. But if people desire to believe how they do that is fine. It is for us to love as Christians, and it is the heart that God sees. Not the outward expression of any type of holding of sabbath days or whatever.

 

[Daniel Veler]

Barnabas said it best:

Barnabas 2:4

For He hath made manifest to us by all the prophets that He wanteth neither sacrifices nor whole burnt offerings nor oblations, saying at

one time;


Barnabas 2:5

What to Me is the multitude of your sacrifices, saith the Lord I am full of whole burnt-offerings, and the fat of lambs and the blood of bulls and of goats desire not, not though ye should come to be seen of Me. or who required these things at your hands? Ye shall continue no more to tread My court. If ye bring fine flour, it is in vain; incense is an abomination to Me; your new moons and your

Sabbaths I cannot away with.


Barnabas 2:6

These things therefore He annulled, that the new law of our Lord Jesus Christ, being free from the yoke of constraint, might have its

oblation not made by human hands.


Barnabas 2:7

And He saith again unto them; Did command your fathers when they went forth from the land of Egypt to bring Me whole burnt offerings

and sacrifices?


Barnabas 2:8

Nay, this was My command unto them, Let none of you bear a grudge of evil against his neighbor in his heart, and love you not a false oath.


Barnabas 2:9

So we ought to perceive, unless we are without understanding, the

mind of the goodness of our Father; for He speaketh to us, desiring us not to go astray like them but to seek how we may approach Him.


Barnabas 2:10

Thus then speaketh He to us; The sacrifice unto God is a broken heart, the smell of a sweet savor unto the Lord is a heart that glorifies its Maker. We ought therefore, brethren, to learn accurately concerning our salvation, lest the Evil One having effected an entrance of error in us should fling us away from our life.


Barnabas 3:1

He speaketh again therefore to them concerning these things;

Wherefore fast ye for Me, saith the Lord, so that your voice is

heard this day crying aloud? This is not the fast which have chosen, saith the Lord; not a man abasing his soul;


Barnabas 3:2

not though ye should bend your neck as a hoop, and put on sackcloth and make your bed of ashes, not even so shall ye call a fast that is

acceptable.


Barnabas 3:3

But unto us He saith; Behold, this is the fast which I have chosen, saith the Lord; loosen every band of wickedness, untie the tightened cords of forcible contracts, send away the broken ones released and tear in pieces every unjust bond. Break thy bread to

the hungry, and if thou seest one naked clothe him; bring the

shelterless into thy house, and if thou seest a humble man, thou shalt not despise him, neither shall any one of thy household and of thine own seed.


Barnabas 3:4

Then shall thy light break forth in the morning, and thy healing

shall arise quickly, and righteousness shall go forth before thy face, and the glory of God shall environ thee.


Barnabas 3:5

Then shalt thou cry out and God shall hear thee; while thou art still speaking, He shall say 'Lo, I am here'; if thou shalt take away from thee the yoke and the stretching forth of the finger and the word of murmuring, and shalt give thy bread to the hungry heartily, and shalt pity the abased soul.
Let me also add:
Galatians 3:10
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

 

[Ziggy]

Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

I was thinking about when Moses was giving the laws about strangers and they all lived under one law.
There wasn't a Sabbath for this group and not for that group. It was all inclusive.

Exo 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

What is the difference between Ephesians 2:19 and Exodus 12:49?

Hugs

 

[Brakelite]

' And He said unto them,
The Sabbath was made for man,
And not man for the Sabbath:
Therefore the Son of Man
Is Lord of the Sabbath.'
(Mark 2:27-28)

Aaannd?

 

[Ziggy]

There's a perfectly understandable reason for the tension and the passion in relation to this topic. The Sabbath question strikes at the very heart of people's motives and cuts away at their hypocrisy and declarations of faithfulness and belief in the word of God. For millennia this has been the case.
The Sabbath was the identifying mark for the Jews whereby pagan Rome was able to discern between them and other religions, and thus able to persecute them as rebels against the emperor.
Christians were then reluctant to be identified along with the Jews in order to escape persecution, and many gave up the Sabbath in favor of the pagan Sunday.
Sabbath keeping Christians of that time were in the majority, and did suffer, but not by the hand of pagan Rome, but at the hand of the rising papal power who had adopted the Roman day of the sun as her own, and set about enforcing it on the church who outside her jurisdiction, observed the biblical Sabbath.
Today, that battle between the days is going to escalate. Papal Rome in most of her recent encyclicals have magnified and promoted so called Sunday sacredness, and asking world bodies to observe Sunday universally as a day for family, climate change control, environmental regard, and godliness.
This discussion is not going away. It's between the commandments of man by which tradition is enforced by the church, and the commandments of God. This issue is soon to be the major political and religious issue of the age. It will be the dividing issue between those who obey God, and those who don't, but claim they do.
What would you expect of the approach of the mark of the papal beast if not passionate debate and division?

I understand what your saying. And I've heard and read all the arguments.
Here's the thing..
Are we required to still keep the passover?
Hugs

 

[Brakelite]

Yeah, ReChoired. I see no reason in fighting or debating. But if people desire to believe how they do that is fine. It is for us to love as Christians, and it is the heart that God sees. Not the outward expression of any type of holding of sabbath days or whatever.

Yes, God sees the heart. He sees that when a Christian reads Exodus 20:8, the heart says, ignore that, it's not for me. He sees that when the Christian reads Isaiah 58, he thinks in his heart, that's wonderful, it's prophetic for the Christian Church. But God sees that he stops reading at verse12, and his heart says, that's not for me. God sees that when a Christian reads the scriptures, far too many baulk at God's word when it requires obedience and sacrifice. That is not fine.

 

[Brakelite]

I understand what your saying. And I've heard and read all the arguments.
Here's the thing..
Are we required to still keep the passover?
Hugs

KJV 1 Corinthians 5:7
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
The above scripture... Clear, concise, accurate, beyond debate.
Where is the scripture that is equally clear and concise, saying Christ our Sabbath?

 

[MatthewG]

Hello Backlit,

People have freedom to do whatever they want. The thing is as a loving Christian who loves the Father and others, will not force them to do anything. You can point the way and give the truth, but if they do not desire it well what can you do? Pray of course and let God deal with their own hearts. It will always about how we treat others living by the spirit of adoption which someone receives in their heart from God; that causes them to have kindness, goodness, faithfulness, joy, peace, forbearance, longsuffering, patience, and love.

You, me nor anyone can force anyone to do anything. Since Adam and Eve: Everyone has continued to have freedom.

To me LORD (Yahweh) your God is good, compassionate, spirit, consuming fire, mighty and understanding, faithful, merciful, forgiving, comforting, greater than our hearts, is love.

God is spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth.

 

[Ziggy]

KJV 1 Corinthians 5:7
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
The above scripture... Clear, concise, accurate, beyond debate.
Where is the scripture that is equally clear and concise, saying Christ our Sabbath?

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Colossians 2 KJB, parallels Ephesians 2 KJB, and Hebrews 9-10 KJB. The language is the same.

Generic per se nonsense based on non-fact non-truth non-understanding.

The "ordinances" in Colossians 2 deals with "shadows", such as the daily "meat and drink" offerings of a worldly sanctuary and carnal ordinances, the seasonal "feast days", the monthly "new moons", and the year based "sabbaths", in the singular, every 7 and 50th years,

A cowardly trick to avoid to get to grips with each individual Scripture. You're all BLUFF.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

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The Sabbath of the LORD thy God is always called "my [as in God's] sabbaths", and the others in Leviticus 23:4 onward are called "your [the peoples] sabbaths" [Leviticus 26:35 KJB] which are "beside [given in addition to] the sabbaths of the LORD" [Leviticus 23:38 KJB].

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Re: <<which are "beside [given in addition to] the sabbaths of the LORD">>
On the contrary, <<"your [the peoples] sabbaths">> the sabbath BETWEEN Lv 2:4 and 38 were given <<in addition to . the sabbaths of the LORD">> mentioned in verses 4 and 38.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Even when sabbatarians set out to "keep" the sabbath day holy, are they truly keeping the sabbath day holy? To "keep the sabbath day" as it was required in the Old Testament under the old covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

This is Mailmandan specifying, hoping to regulate and trying to enforce just as in vain as Sabbatharians claiming to keep the Sabbath Day. All in vain of course.
"THE SON OF MAN --the Son of God-- is "He who keeps the Sabbath holy" Isaiah 56.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Be a son and daughter of God.