So true! I was once at this conference and the speaker paraphrased Psa 11:3 If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do? He said it this way: "If the foundations be destroyed, WHAT HAVE the righteous been doing!?" I couldn't agree more with him! What have we been doing?!
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So true! I was once at this conference and the speaker paraphrased Psa 11:3 If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do? He said it this way: "If the foundations be destroyed, WHAT HAVE the righteous been doing!?" I couldn't agree more with him! What have we been doing?!
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Well if you want the sharia law and the church banned and Christianity to be outlawed then No Christians should not be in the Political party....but if you want a nation that is governed by the truth and the ways of God and for the good of the nation then you better be finding some strong Christians and get them involved in the government or the nation is going to hit rock bottom soon...
Anyone who believes this world is going to get better will be greatly disappointed.
Mt 24
21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. http://bible.cc/matthew/24-22.htm
Mt 24
21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. http://bible.cc/matthew/24-22.htm
The world won't get better, but no Christian can deny that if all the Christians (or those who profess to be) actually stood at their posts and held Jesus up, we wouldn't be where we are now. I believe that there is nothing we can do, as it is too far gone. Not that we should stop trying, for our duty is to reach all those we can, but we have let the foundations be destroyed, and it's only a matter of time before the end comes.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
politicians gain power by creating false dichotomies with the intention of building guaranteed voting blocks - the abortion issue is a prime example. Once they get elected and the special interest money continues to pour in, they begin dealing with other politicians for pork votes. When important issue come up, they spend months navigating and dealing with each other according to party bosses to make sure that they personally get the best deal possible - more money and less blame for votes. If they want something from another politician, they have to offer and deliver more power or more money in return for the favor or vote. Politics is a dirty business - guaranteed to corrupt. Religion that jumps into the political arena is dealing with the Devil.
All we can do as Christians is vote our ideals - expecting real change will break your heart. The compromised, gutted, monstrosity that emerges from the process makes Frankenstein's monster look like a school boy.
All we can do as Christians is vote our ideals - expecting real change will break your heart. The compromised, gutted, monstrosity that emerges from the process makes Frankenstein's monster look like a school boy.
Actually, something I would love to do is get into politics. One day perhaps
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Actually, something I would love to do is get into politics. One day perhaps. The only reason politics is dirty is because people chase power for the wrong reason. There have been many great men in politics. Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan, John Howard, Winston Churchhill to name a few. (I know many won't agree with that. Of course, whether they actually study economics and read about these people's actual lives is another matter)
You think those men had clean hands? They may have achieved great things, but at what cost? You saw the Republicans swept into Congress in 1994 - they promised change and to serve the Christian voting block that elected them - ha! The next decade turned out to be the most corrupt Congress in the modern era! Under the leadership of Newt and later Tom Delay...the lobbyists in Washington were told that Republican Congressmen would refuse to work with any lobbyist that spoke or met with Democrats........the result was a one party system that spurred on Bush W tactics like signing Bills into law, with personal exemptions for the office of President.....
No thanks....I think I'll leave politics to the professional crooks.
You can't judge a person you have never met. Even then, only God can be the ultimate judge. Moreover, until you have actually been in politics, you have no right to say that they are crooks or such. I get sick of hearing my relatives and friends bag politicians. True, some of them are not that good, but who is? God alone is good! I would love to see what they would do in the circumstances. Perhaps it wouldn't be so clear-cut anymore. Perhaps they realise the immense pressure these people go under. Here in Australia, the first prime ministers were all God-fearing men. The Constitution of both Australia and the USA was written by God-fearing men. What has happened to Christianity? We suddenly think that we shouldn't be in politics because it is too dirty when at one stage ALL the politicians were Christian!
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Then we are both guilty of judging the three men you mentioned. In addition, I think I have a pretty good understanding of the political system in my own country.
I'm not certain which three men it was that you are referring to, but I do admit that I sometimes do judge politicians. I think you do. Who else would realise it's so complicated?
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The 'Christian coalition' is neither Christian nor a coalition. It was originally formed to get Pat Robertson into the White House. Tangential issues were abortion, gay rights, etc.
The fact that only Catholics do any sort of real political work to oppose these issues is proof that the coalition includes only certain groups such as electronic fundamentalists*.
The gay issue in America is bogus as far as the church is concerned. The entire issue has been abandoned as pertaining to sin, it's effect upon the community, it's effect upon our children and it's political and moral assault upon the church. Gays have usurped the moral high ground against the church and the church has let them do it. Sin is still sin in the eyes of God. God hates sinners. Is sin thrown into hell or are sinners condemned to it? Is it not our duty to inform the lost? Yet we have turned away from it. If God does not punish America for it's sin, He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.
Abortion is murder of the innocent. The 'Christian coalition' has done absolutely nothing about it. One reason may be that the abortion issue has always been decided in the courts. Politicans do not address the issue at all except during election time and then only with kid gloves. Abortion is too hot for them to handle (they believe).
Not mentioned above is the current idolatry of the church regarding the military. America is drunk on war and the church is the bartender. The level of militaristic nationalism in this country has become obscene. The love of the military has become unqualified, unconditonal, unrelenting and unending. This is true no matter what country the uS bombs, invades or occupies (150 countries at present count - Pentagon figures folks). The church has a reverence, worship and love for military adventure that has risen to the level of fetishism. I have seen uniformed troops parading their guns and flags in the midst of worship in God's house and I have been revolted by it. Do we assemble to glorify murder and destruction instead of life? We THANK our servicemen, but DO NOT appreciate our doctors, teachers and firemen - persons who save property and build life not destroy it.
The church in America has become a rotted corpse of what was once lovely in God's eyes. Shall He not pronounce judgment against it? Will He revive it? If He is righteous and kind He will DO SOMETHING.
The almost complete absence of moral conscience and action by the American church is grotesque.
God help us. We are not as we should be.
* electronic fundamentalist -
A person who is addicted to religious TV programs and vicarious participation in matters of the faith as opposed to personal study, personal participation and personal contribution to local ministry and politics.
rjp - and I wish I was kidding when I say this - you need to switch to decaf and get out of your parent's basement a little more often.
There is a great big beautiful world out there...
There is a great big beautiful world out there...
I don't agree where rjp has launched out against the military. If all the world was Christian, we wouldn't need military, but it isn't, and until Jesus comes again, there will be war. Christians are naive to think that there will be no war if they just sit on their backsides. God help us, we are in a spiritual battle that is greater than ever before! Someone would think that we would be advancing in the spiritual war, but that's not what I have witnessed. I have witnessed the exact opposite. The Church of God is losing ground big time.
As to a big beautiful world, I use to think so, until recently. Now the only place that is beautiful is where no other person is in sight, where man has never been. Almost every person i see, is a warped distorted version of who God created them to be. Humanity has degraded themselves lower than even the animals. If that isn't filth, tell me what is. I have never been to America, but from what I've read and seen on the news, the battle there is alot more open than Australia. Here in Australia, there is a minimal disturbance over the degradation that has occured. Time to change that
Yes we should get involved with politics, you have to get in there and get Jesus all over everything.
I voted no, the reason being that we should vote our conscious, and be careful of joining cults of politicians. Lot of the time politicians ride the fence with the idealism they claim to stand for. Giving blind support for any political party often means accepting whatever the party platform is, even when it changes its principles.
Prentis
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The Kingdom of God does not compete with the kingdoms of this world, it subverts them.
Let the dead burry the dead, but let us follow Christ.
We don't walk by the law, but according to life, the life of Christ.
Let the dead burry the dead, but let us follow Christ.
We don't walk by the law, but according to life, the life of Christ.
What would be the purpose? What would be the goal of such an individual?
As a Christian: to quote Jesus, my government is not off this world, so therefore I don't entangle myself with the government/system of this world. The governments of this world is Satan's government.
What is the purpose for being part of a political party? What would one be trying to accomplish?
-- What would be the goal of a Christian voting in the American electoral process? You truly can't see the benefit of this?
Using their vote to influence who is in charge of the country or the laws that govern us?
You truly don't see how participation can help preserve Christian freedoms and sitting on the sidelines can hurt it?
Talk about being part of the problem.
-- Unfortunately, you miss the fact that we are called to pray for our governmental leaders here on earth:
"I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." - 1 Timothy 2:1-42:1
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke
-- Not exercising your right to vote as a citizen of the United States, let alone as a Christian is the textbook definition of "do nothing."
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I voted "no".
IMO...The ONLY one I give blind support to is Jesus Christ. To blindly support any politician, or their pet causes, simply because they have a "D", "R", "I", whatever, after their name is not a good thing to do.
We are to be good stewards, in every area of our life. To me, that includes the way we participate in our country's system. When I vote, I select the best person for the office. Period. When I vote on issues/bills/laws, I vote my conscience.
IMO...The ONLY one I give blind support to is Jesus Christ. To blindly support any politician, or their pet causes, simply because they have a "D", "R", "I", whatever, after their name is not a good thing to do.
We are to be good stewards, in every area of our life. To me, that includes the way we participate in our country's system. When I vote, I select the best person for the office. Period. When I vote on issues/bills/laws, I vote my conscience.
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