OSAS Question

[Gregory]

Jn 15:1 abide

Yes, any branch that is "in me" (Christ) that does not produce fruit will be taken away and burned. Not good news for OSASers. According to this scripture you not only have to believe and be "in" Christ, you have to be active "in" Christ and produce fruit, or you are in trouble.

 

[Taken]

Paul warns us over and over, that if we believers choose to walk after the flesh, we will die spiritually - but if we choose to walk after the spirit, we will have everlasting life:

Paul warns above, that having a carnal mind is ENMITY against God, meaning you actually become Gods ENEMY.

Also, Paul warns the church at Corinth to make sure they aren’t reprobates.


He warns that some of the church that think they’re in the faith can actually have become reprobates.


Scripture clearly in fact shows that continuing to remain in Christ is conditional ...

FALSE.

There IS A
HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN:
Being "WITH" Christ.
and
Being "WITHIN" Christ.

Learn the Scriptural TRUTH -
* Hearing, following, mindful believing, attending church, having a water baptism, calling yourself a believer, calling yourself a Christian.....
DO NOT IDENTIFY YOU AS SAVED

It expressly "identifies you"
As one WHO IS BEING Enlightened.
As one WHO is TASTING the Word of God.
As one WHO is Experiencing the Holy Spirit. ........... WITH you.

Absolutely PAUL WARNED repeatedly....
Do not get Comfortable with the Holy Spirit being "only WITH" you.
BECAUSE at ANY TIME...
"you" can be influenced by any thing, any one...
And "you" CAN fall away.

* Jesus Expressly TAUGHT;
YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN.
- hearing, going to church, calling yourself a believer, blah, blah....
IS NOT HOW one BECOMES BORN AGAIN

* Mans Forgiveness, soul saving, spirit quickened.......IS EXPRESSLY CONVERSION WORKS of the Lord God....

* EFFECTED ONLY AFTER, a mans CONFESSION of True Heartful Belief.

There ARE thousands mindfully believing, attending churches, testifying, calling themselves Christians....
WHO ARE NOT "CONVERTED"

Paul warned them (WHO ARE NOT CONVERTED) to "NOT PUT OFF" becoming CONVERTED.....so ALSO should you WARN people who ARE NOT CONVERTED....
BECAUSE THEY ARE AT RISK (of dying at any moment) and end up "WITH" the damned.

INSTEAD...YOU "preach" a man "WITH" the Lord God..."IS" Saved...AND "IS" in jeopardy of Losing SALVATION "he HAS RECEIVED".
^^^^^^^^^ FALSE ^^^^^^^^^^

A man WITH the Lord....
IS ALWAYS AT RISK OF FALLING AWAY.
Because he is "NOT IN" the Lord.
And IS NOT SAVED or BORN AGAIN.
(OSAS; IS NOT applicable to that man)

A man WITH AND IN
IS NEVER AT RISK OF FALLING AWAY.
Because he IS EXPRESSLY "WITHIN" the Lord.
And that man IS SAVED and IS BORN AGAIN.
(OSAS; IS precisely applicable to ^ that man)

OSAS is not biblical.

FALSE.


Glory to God, True and Faithful IS His Word, and His works, Converting men Once and Forever.

Taken

 

[theefaith]

Yes, any branch that is "in me" (Christ) that does not produce fruit will be taken away and burned. Not good news for OSASers. According to this scripture you not only have to believe and be "in" Christ, you have to be active "in" Christ and produce fruit, or you are in trouble.

You need the sacraments to put in Christ!

Gal 3:27

 

[kcnalp]

So who is right, kcnalp or GRACE? They are both supporting their beliefs from the same Holy Bible, but one says "God's ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Covers ALL sin!! Amen"? So GRACE is not worried about any sins she will commit between now and death, she is a OSASer.

The other says "if we willfully sin after we have the truth we can expect a fearful judgment". So kcnalp does worry about sinning from now to death, and I am sure he understands the nature of repentance.

So who is right?

This is what I think is true. If the OSASers are wrong, and there are plenty of scriptures from the Holy Bible that tell us they are, there will be a great surprise coming judgment morning for a whole lot of people, that will not be good.

If non-OSASers are wrong, they have nothing to fear because they will be covered along with the OSASers. Since both sides believe and have confessed Jesus as our Savior, as needed for salvation, per the OSASers.

So if I were to take a side, I will side with kcnalp.

The Blood of Jesus doesn't cover "all sin".

Mark 3:29 (NKJV)
29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"--

 

[theefaith]

The Blood of Jesus doesn't cover "all sin".

Mark 3:29 (NKJV)
29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"--

but this refers to finally refusing to repent

 

[kcnalp]

but this refers to finally refusing to repent

No it does not. Read the account. They accused Jesus of doing His works by Satan! That's blasphemy of the HS.

 

[Gregory]

You need the sacraments to put in Christ!

Gal 3:27

Ok these people had the sacrament because they were "IN" Christ.

 

[theefaith]

No it does not. Read the account. They accused Jesus of doing His works by Satan! That's blasphemy of the HS.

no it ain’t
It’s blasphemy yes

but blasphemy of the HS is final refusal to repent and going to hell

 

[theefaith]

so God have mercy on me a poor sinner!

 

[kcnalp]

no it ain’t
It’s blasphemy yes

but blasphemy of the HS is final refusal to repent and going to hell

No proof? I have proof.

Mark 3:22-30 (NKJV)
22 And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, "He has Beelzebub," and, "By the ruler of the demons He casts out demons."

28 "Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter;
29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"-- 30 because they said, "He has an unclean spirit."

 

[Taken]

Yes, any branch that is "in me" (Christ) that does not produce fruit will be taken away and burned. Not good news for OSASers. According to this scripture you not only have to believe and be "in" Christ, you have to be active "in" Christ and produce fruit, or you are in trouble.

"WITH" the Lord ...
....can be Temporary.

"WITH and IN", ie "WITHIN"
....IS Permanent.

Any person who IS "WITHIN" the Lord,
HAS the Lord Promise for that mans;
Crown of Life, FOREVER.

Any person who IS "WITHIN" IS capable OF
Producing FRUIT/WORKS, that Glorify God.
......"IF" they DO produce Fruit Glorifying to God....THEY SHALL BE REWARDED.
......"IF" they produce ANY Fruit/Works "NOT" Glorifying to God...THOSE WORKS SHALL BE BURNED.

WORKS a man DOES or DOES NOT DO...
Has ZERO effect on His Received Salvation.

A man "WITHIN" Christ Jesus, can NEVER LOSE his Salvation....

Heb 13:
[5] (c) for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

 

[theefaith]

No proof? I have proof.

Mark 3:22-30 (NKJV)
22 And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, "He has Beelzebub," and, "By the ruler of the demons He casts out demons."

28 "Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter;
29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"-- 30 because they said, "He has an unclean spirit."

they committed verse 28 not verse 29

 

[kcnalp]

they committed verse 28 not verse 29

If you're wrong you're on DANGEROUS ground!

 

[theefaith]

If you're wrong you're on DANGEROUS ground!

i did not commit blasphemy
Blessed are a He that comes in the name of the Lord! (Thru Mary)

 

[theefaith]

i did not commit blasphemy
Blessed are a He that comes in the name of the Lord! (Thru Mary)

and purgatory? Sins that can be forgiven in next life

matt 3:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

 

[kcnalp]

i did not commit blasphemy
Blessed are a He that comes in the name of the Lord! (Thru Mary)

I didn't come to God "Thru Mary". Nobody does! Jesus is the ONLY mediator to God. Jesus was Mary's Savior! Mary was a sinner saved by the Blood of Jesus.

1 Timothy 2:5 (NKJV)
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

 

[kcnalp]

and purgatory? Sins that can be forgiven in next life

matt 3:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

No Purgatory in the Bible! When you die you're either saved or your not!

 

[kcnalp]

matt 3:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Amen!

 

[theefaith]

I didn't come to God "Thru Mary". Nobody does! Jesus is the ONLY mediator to God. Jesus was Mary's Savior! Mary was a sinner saved by the Blood of Jesus.

1 Timothy 2:5 (NKJV)
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,

that refers to the grace and of the new covenant
Christ came to us thru Mary
He is with her

 

[theefaith]

No Purgatory in the Bible! When you die you're either saved or your not!

why does it say so sin forgiven in the next world