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[amigo de christo]

But charismatic practices are a condemned heresy

While a lot of the fluff and huff is of another kundalini Spirit , there are still some who actually speak tongues by the SPIRIT
I pray GOD you dont blaspheme the work of the SPIRIT . This might be a reason why you have not heard one word some have
tried to say to you . Maybe , you DID blaspheme the work of the SPIRIT . That would be total bad news my friend .
But since you are still alive and have breath , and i do not know whether you have or have not blasphemed the SPIRIT
I will still try and help you my friend . BUT YOU BETTER watch out . DONT JUST accuse anyone who speaks in tongues
as though its false . YES , i was sure to say many are under the kundalini Spirit . CAUSE MANY ARE . AND THEIR Actions
and fruits also prove it .

 

[amadeus]

the church wrote the New Testament

Actually, men, as inspired by God wrote both the OT and the NT. The Church consists of men. It is not any one organized group of men who given themselves a name to qualify for special tax exemptions with the secular governments. It is not even any one organized group of men who have decided that certain rituals need to be included in each physical meeting... Some of those in those groups may be in the Body of Christ, but anyone who is not subject to Head at the end of his course, it would not be a part. Who is the Head of the Body of Christ? Is there only one Head or does it have more than one? Is the Church equal to the Body of Christ?

 

[theefaith]

Actually, men, as inspired by God wrote both the OT and the NT. The Church consists of men. It is not any one organized group of men who given themselves a name to qualify for special tax exemptions with the secular governments. It is not even any one organized group of men who have decided that certain rituals need to be included in each physical meeting... Some of those in those groups may be in the Body of Christ, but anyone who is not subject to Head at the end of his course, it would not be a part. Who is the Head of the Body of Christ? Is there only one Head or does it have more than one? Is the Church equal to the Body of Christ?

the church is the body of Christ
New covenant
The kingdom
The vineyard
Yes

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Mountain is symbolic for government. As scripture says the government will be on His shoulders.

Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

He builds the Church (body of believers).
The Body will live forever, buildings will be destroyed - all former things will pass away.

 

[theefaith]

Mountain is symbolic for government. As scripture says the government will be on His shoulders.


He builds the Church (body of believers).
The Body will live forever, buildings will be destroyed - all former things will pass away.

On Peter and the apostles eph 2:20

peter has the keys of this kingdom
The new covenant church Matt 16:18
Isa 22:21-22


21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Then explain these

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, so send in you. (The apostles) posses the same power mission and authority as Christ!
Peter, the apostles and their successors!

Christ and His church are one. Acts 9:4 we must be taught by the holy church by the apostles! Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Lk 24:27 Acts 2:42 Acts 8, eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 thee faith not read scripture and make you’re own faith!

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

God always establishes order in obedience to hierarchical authority of fathers! Heb 13:17

Protestantism is a sin against the Christian virtue of obedience!
(Spiritual anarchy)

If so then Christ is fallible
Christ taught error

no the holy church and apostles cannot teach error Jn 16:13

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

It is odd that you quote scripture that actually contradicts your point. The Holy Spirit guides and teaches us. We do fine without the Pope, the Catholic church, the Priests and especially Mary and the dead saints! God lives in us and we go directly to Him. You quote lots of scripture that does not support your theology.
Scriptures tells us we don't need a teacher other than the Holy Spirit.
"As for you, the anointing which you received from Hom abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it,has taught you, you abidw in Him." 1 John 2:27

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Acts 9:4 we must be taught by the holy church by the apostles!

The apostles died long ago. We are taught by God's WORD.,
ALL SCRIPTURE IS GOD BREATHED.

On Peter and the apostles eph 2:20

peter has the keys of this kingdom
The new covenant church Matt 16:18
Isa 22:21-22

Peter is dead. He started things out, but Jesus is the cornerstone. He builds the Church.
Peter has no keys to the gates of Hades. Jesus has the keys to those gates. Peter is just floating on a cloud playing the harp somewhere. Jesus told Him to feed His sheep - until he died, and then his job was finished.
Actually Paul did far more than Peter.
Btw, Is. 22:21, 22 is referring to Jesus.

 

[theefaith]

It is odd that you quote scripture that actually contradicts your point. The Holy Spirit guides and teaches us. We do fine without the Pope, the Catholic church, the Priests and especially Mary and the dead saints! God lives in us and we go directly to Him. You quote lots of scripture that does not support your theology.
Scriptures tells us we don't need a teacher other than the Holy Spirit.
"As for you, the anointing which you received from Hom abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it,has taught you, you abidw in Him." 1 John 2:27

not biblical Lk 1:4

and these verses only apply to the apostles and their successors such as Jn 16:13 not You

Matt 28:19 go teach all nations
He commands the apostles to go and teach
All nations that’s the people who must be taught
That means you and me!
Lk 1:4

 

[theefaith]

The apostles died long ago. We are taught by God's WORD.,
ALL SCRIPTURE IS GOD BREATHED.


Peter is dead. He started things out, but Jesus is the cornerstone. He builds the Church.
Peter has no keys to the gates of Hades. An angel has the keys to those gates. Peter is just floating on a cloud playing the harp somewhere. Jesus told Him to feed His sheep - until he died, and then his job was finished.
Actually Paul did far more than Peter.
Btw, Is. 22:21, 22 is referring to Jesus.

sorry Lk 1:4 matt 28:19 we must be taught

Christ and his church are one acts 9:4
Rejection of the church or its teaching is rejection of Christ

apostles are God breathed Jn 20:21-23

scripture alone no!
Acts 8 eunuch had scripture God sent an apostle to teach him

peter and the apostles and their successors Matt 16:18 18:18
Matt 28:19 I am with you (the apostles) till the end! could not be more plain
Apostles have the same mission ministry power and authority as Christ Jn 20:21-23

peter and His successors have the government of the church for Christ the king ascended to heaven and does NOT administer his kingdom accept thru Peter and his successors

Paul is an apostle he has authority
But peter has the jurisdictional authority

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

not biblical Lk 1:4

and these verses only apply to the apostles and their successors such as Jn 16:13 not You

Matt 28:19 go teach all nations
He commands the apostles to go and teach
All nations that’s the people who must be taught
That means you and me!
Lk 1:4

I don't recall ever seeing one of those apostles visiting our nation? I do remember attending a Catholic Church, getting my Communion and Confirmation
... you think that Priest would have invited Peter or Paul to our church for some extra inspiration? Really, I could have used it at that time because neither the nun who taught us or the Priest who delivered sermons in Latin were inspiring enough for any of the precious gospel to penetrate. Fortunately, God had something more inspiring in mind planned for me 25 years later. I am so thankful! I finally got it. Not knocking them really, I just wasn't ready. But they just insisted, pushed me through the program and slapped the host in my mouth as if it meant something. If only I could have seen Paul raise someone from the dead - that would have done it for an eleven year old - I guess he had a busy schedule visiting all the other nations?

 

[Brakelite]

the church wrote the New Testament

You aren't listening.

 

[theefaith]

I don't recall ever seeing one of those apostles visiting our nation? I do remember attending a Catholic Church, getting my Communion and Confirmation
... you think that Priest would have invited Peter or Paul to our church for some extra inspiration? Really, I could have used it at that time because neither the nun who taught us or the Priest who delivered sermons in Latin were inspiring enough for any of the precious gospel to penetrate. Fortunately, God had something more inspiring in mind planned for me 25 years later. I am so thankful! I finally got it. Not knocking them really, I just wasn't ready. But they just insisted, pushed me through the program and slapped the host in my mouth as if it meant something. If only I could have seen Paul raise someone from the dead - that would have done it for an eleven year old - I guess he had a busy schedule visiting all the other nations?

receiving Christ means nothing to you?

 

[theefaith]

To the uttermost but not by saying so “faith alone” not until we suffer with him in grace unto the end matt 24:13 Phil 1:29

Luke 9:23
And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

receiving Christ means nothing to you?

Bearing false witness again. I have received Christ at the age of 35. Prostestants led me to Christ, not Catholics. What happened to me when I was a kid in the Catholic Church was meaningless. Then it meant nothing, now it means everything.

 

[theefaith]

Bearing false witness again. I have received Christ at the age of 35. Prostestants led me to Christ, not Catholics. What happened to me when I was a kid in the Catholic Church was meaningless. Then it meant nothing, now it means everything.

As I said receiving Christ in holy communion means nothing to you!

how do you think you received Christ as an adult

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

So here is the million dollar question no Protestant has been able to logically answer: if they all supposedly get their beliefs from the Bible like they claim, then why is it that they believe they can contradict each other and the Bible while saying their theology came solely from the Bible?

As school kids have different grade levels, different levels of knowledge and understanding, we disagree. We agree on basic essentials and fundamentals. Belief and faith in Christ, Who He is, what He did and what He promises we can agree on. Some doctrines are advanced. Can you argue the TOE? You can if you are learned. Otherwise the evolutionists will eat you for breakfast.
I would say Protestants are given the freedom to test everything someone says with scripture, even their Pastors are put to the test. Catholics just accept what has been decided about scriptures without argument. You don't go up to your priest and challenge him do you? He may be wrong, but you think that is not possible. You don't think it is possible for the Pope to be wrong. He accepts the TOE, a form of It, theistic evolution.

 

[theefaith]

As school kids have different grade levels, different levels of knowledge and understanding, we disagree. We agree on basic essentials and fundamentals. Belief and faith in Christ, Who He is, what He did and what He promises we can agree on. Some doctrines are advanced. Can you argue the TOE? You can if you are learned. Otherwise the evolutionists will eat you for breakfast.
I would say Protestants are given the freedom to test everything someone says with scripture, even their Pastors are put to the test. Catholics just accept what has been decided about scriptures without argument. You don't go up to your priest and challenge him do you? He may be wrong, but you think that is not possible. You don't think it is possible for the Pope to be wrong. He accepts the TOE, a form of It, theistic evolution.

no evolution period. God does nothing without a reason, there is no reason or purpose to millions of yrs of evolution, it Denys the very power of God to create, and to create as he wills

the church cannot teach error or Christ would be teaching error
Christ and his church are one acts 9:4
Jn 16:13 Lk 10:16

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

As I said receiving Christ in holy communion means nothing to you!

how do you think you received Christ as an adult

It was and is a holy communion with Christ. You do not know about my relationship with Christ as you degrade and denigrate the relationships throughout the Body of believers. You disgrace the Body of Christ. You should be asha.ed of yourself - you have no love, nor demonstrate any fruit. All I've seen from your posts are attacks against Protestants. It seems to be your soul purpose and you presume that os God's purpose. God will likely chastise you very soon. Why not just try to be good, do good ... love others as Christ told you to??? You can't because you hold grudges. You are a bitter old man. Examine thyself. Do you bear fruit of the Spirit?

 

[theefaith]

It was and is a holy communion with Christ. You do not know about my relationship with Christ as you degrade and denigrate the relationships throughout the Body of believers. You disgrace the Body of Christ. You should be asha.ed of yourself - you have no love, nor demonstrate any fruit. All I've seen from your posts are attacks against Protestants. It seems to be your soul purpose and you presume that os God's purpose. God will likely chastise you very soon. Why not just try to be good, do good ... love others as Christ told you to??? You can't because you hold grudges. You are a bitter old man. Examine thyself. Do you bear fruit of the Spirit?

love and truth are names for God

I asked you how you think you received Christ?

why you don’t believe Christ I don’t know?

Protestantism is another gospel 1500 years late
Pure error and an attack on Christ

 

[rockytopva]

love and truth are names for God

I asked you how you think you received Christ?

why you don’t believe Christ I don’t know?

Protestantism is another gospel 1500 years late
Pure error and an attack on Christ

We have a beautiful Catholic Church here in Blacksburg and no American priests to lead it! They have got a Nigerian who the people can barely understand! Can’t trust the American priests over pedophilia!