Then all are savedUltimately, to be saved on the day of Christ's return, yes. To be justified? No. We know that from the simple fact that he received the Spirit without lifting a finger.
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Then all are savedUltimately, to be saved on the day of Christ's return, yes. To be justified? No. We know that from the simple fact that he received the Spirit without lifting a finger.
If you want to go down this road you're not going to win. Ephesians 1:14 speaks of redemption being a future event. Now what, theefaith? Just go with what the Bible says. Stop defending indefensible, man-made Catholic doctrine.Nonsense it refers to redemption
There is no such thing as a "holy church". A "church" is a body of believers. The "church" has no authority or power as an entity.
Salvation cannot be earned.No.
(but potentially not for the same reason as others ... one cannot LOSE a salvation they did not EARN any more than someone can choose to be physically "unborn".)
No, only people who believe in Christ are saved.Then all are saved
Salvation cannot be earned.
No, only people who believe in Christ are saved.
Believing is not works-Romans 3:27 Romans 4:5but you said I did not have to do anything
Now you saying works
Why are you ignoring the word 'saved' in the Ephesians verses I quoted?but we don’t have salvation
Believing is not works-Romans 3:27 Romans 4:5
Why are you ignoring the word 'saved' in the Ephesians verses I quoted?
What we have yet to receive is the redemption of our bodies and our rescue from the wrath of God at the final judgment. But believers are most certainly saved right now and possess the surety of that salvation via the Holy Spirit.
Believing in the blood of Christ for the forgiveness of sin is definitely something you have to choose to do to be saved. That is in stark contrast to performing works to earn salvation as the just, owed payment for those works. The difference between these two ways is the main reason there is a Catholic church and a protesting church. Protestants protest the Catholic church's assertion that salvation is earned by the merit of doing righteous works.Yes it is
it’s something I have to do!
It’s something I have to choose to do!
And remain doing until death Jn 3:16 matt 24:13 Jn 15:1-5
Righteous works are how God will judge a person as having received the forgiveness of God in salvation apart from the merit of works, or not.Rev 2:23 .....I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Unfortunately, perhaps you do not have Salvation according to Titus 3:5. "We are saved by the washing of regeneration, and by the renewing of the Holy Spirit."but we don’t have salvation
Matt 24:13
We have union with Christ and communion with God and the saints in sanctifying grace
Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!
Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!
Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
Suffering required for glorification with Christ!
Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Justification and salvation are not the same rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)
The holy church is the ark of grace and salvation!
Unfortunately, perhaps you do not have Salvation according to Titus 3:5. "We are saved by the washing of regeneration, and by the renewing of the Holy Spirit."
No Church priests, no rituals, no monetary compensation, no liturgy, no human certification, no doctrinal consensus, no prescribed education, no personal accomplishments, no vicarious agreements, no documentation, can do any kind of Salvation unto righteousness before God.
I am saved without any priest other than The Lord Jesus Himself. Those who depend upon any other human priest for any matter are being deluded into a fatal error.saved does not refer to salvation but redemption
Titus 3:5 like Jn 3:5 refer to baptismal regeneration
the one true church founded by Christ has all these things
can you be saved without a priest?
I think OSAS misses the point. I think when you obey the Lord's commandments, things go well. When you don't, things don't.One OSAS believer here stated:
"If I died when I didn’t believe I would have gone to Heaven because there was One Time That I DID Believe.....that’s all it takes...."
Do you agree with this comment?