OSAS Question
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you do need baptism to have salvation in the holy church founded by Christ
Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38
There are low priests who are false, and find gullible people to think what is not in Scripture.
The Holy Church founded in Christ does not require water baptism for Salvation.
Human customs are not required for Salvation, only belief in Christ. John 6:47.
Water baptism is obviously important if we believe the NT. But Salvation can come before water baptism. Sprinkling is not water baptism.
Water babtism is not obviously important for Spiritual rebirth, regardless of anyone's chosen doctrine. Scripture specifies what God wants in John 6:47 to merely believe in Jesus.
The thief on the Cross was not baptized. Abraham was not baptized. Many who were baptized in the NT left Jesus.
Ronald David Bruno
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Belief is that you are convinced, God has persuaded you with His Light and given you the gift of faith. Look to the Parable of The Sower of Seed. Some believe for a time, half-heartedly and when trials come, their faith is tested and it fails. These were never born of the Spirit. God does not make mistakes. Those who are His Sheep will come when He calls, for He has sanctified them, cleansed them, justified them, given them life eternal and will glorify them.
When one truly has a relationship with Christ, that person _ in Christ _ never wants out.
why does it need to be in scripture?
The Bible says believe the doctrine of the apostles after all they are God breathed Jn 20:21-23 same authority as Christ even to the forgiveness of sins Jn 20:23 and the ministry of reconciliation 2 cor 5:18
What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?
Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!
The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!
Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!
The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!
Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20
Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22
Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.
Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.
Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments
Read this scripture:
John 15:2
King James Version
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
It says: Every branch "IN" me, (not "with" me) that beareth not fruit he (God) taketh away ( usually "taketh away" means taken away and burnt.
Like I say: not a good outlook for people (branches) that are OSAS believers. They better be willing to beareth fruit or be taken away. A lot of OSAS people believe this strongly because they do not want to be engaged in bringing people to Jesus, it is outside their comfort box. I'm sure there are many ways to produce fruit, like being a good mother or father to your children bringing them up in righteousness in the Lord Jesus, etc.
So missionary work is not the only way to beareth fruit. Hope they find a way.
Sorry Jared, an apostle like Peter is necessary for your salvation. Jesus, when he was about to leave this earth, gave his keys of the kingdom of heaven to Peter and the 10 other apostles. These keys were given to grow the church and save people. Without men who hold those keys, nobody is going to be saved. The question you have to ask, is, which church today hold those keys of the kingdom of heaven that Jesus gave to Peter?
This is the most offensive and appalling statement I have ever heard a Christian make.
Was Peter and the apostles false priests? Remember Jesus gave them the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and that gave them the power to forgive sins.
No the Saved are NOT "taken away"...
BTW, a man IN Christ IS WITH Chirst!
FRUIT of ANY man "IN" Christ that does NOT GLORIFY GOD, is burnt, not news.
A lot of : ??
What NONSENSE. I know of noone who IS OSAS, who (believes THEY will be taken away...and burned!!!)
IF you are SAVED (your comment IS a fruit ... and I highly doubt YOUR Fruit, of Speaking Lies about OSAS men, GLORIFES God, and that that fruit SHALL BE BURNED! )...
Instead of Speaking Against OSAS believers...
Why not Speak about How many times the Lord had to SAVE YOU, over and over and over again...
because the supreme Power of the Lords WORKS (surely must have) FAILED ... since ONCE is not sufficient.
I'm sorry to hear that. I suspect you know very little about the power of the "keys to the kingdom of heaven" talked about in Matthew 16, especially 18 and 19.
Why did Jesus go all the way to the river Jordan to find John to baptize him? Because John was the only person on earth at the time that had the authority to baptize, besides Jesus. So when I say that nobody will be saved unless the keys of the kingdom of heaven are being used by the man doing the ordinances, I mean it. So study up on "the keys of the kingdom of heaven". Christ holds them and has given them to men to grow his church and save people.
Sure.
Scripture is pretty clear.
High Priests are appointed By God...
Never heard the term "low priests"... however there are "priests" appointed by men.
And nothing new, not all men who receive appointments by men, means the appointed are always on the up and up.
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