Tares Reveal Themselves by what they DON’T Say...And They Are With us Here .How to Identify Them...

[BloodBought 1953]

Remember, kindness and forgiveness of others is the requirement from God to signify obedience to Him.

Your strident efforts to be "right" at the expense of brotherly love is uncalled for.[/QUOTE



It is Biblical to “ Admonish” those that preach a False Gospel Of “ Repenting Of Sins in order to be Saved” ......Paul said to “ cast out” the Bond- Woman and her Son.....They were symbols of our Modern - Day Judaizers .....If you add “ you must Repent of all of your Sins in order to be Saved, in ADDITION to Believing Jesus died for your sins and rose from the grave— you are a Spreader Of Leaven , a Legalist, and a Judaizer......God HATES Leaven....He knows it takes just a little of it to ruin the whole batch.....Paul had many of the churches that he founded destroyed by it.....( all of the churches in Asia- Minor have deserted me) ..... I won’t stand by and watch these Forums and Newbies be ruined by it.....”Repenting Of Sins “ means something on the other side Of Salvation ....once Saved, you will not only be sorry for sins —- you will have the POWER to do something about it.....You will have the indwelling Holy Spirit within you ....The Unsaved man can only “ turn over a New Leaf” until he comes to God with a Contrite Heart and puts his total Faith in Jesus Plus Nothing to get Himself TRANSFORMED ....

I am the “ kindest,most forgiving person you could ever meet.....it’s a shame that I must put on a “War- Bonnet” so often in here.....I see myself as God’s “ Pit Bull” in the fight against Leaven - Spreading and Legalism ......I think it’s a Sin to stand back and let False Teachers “Shipwreck” the Faith Of Newbies....It makes me LIVID! I don’t like it and neither does God ....I choose to be on HIS side in this Battle....I suggest you get used to it....

 

[Jared42]

I am the “ kindest,most forgiving person you could ever meet.....it’s a shame that I must put on a “War- Bonnet” so often in here.....I see myself as God’s “ Pit Bull” in the fight against Leaven - Spreading and Legalism ......I think it’s a Sin to stand back and let False Teachers “Shipwreck” the Faith Of Newbies....It makes me LIVID! I don’t like it and neither does God ....I choose to be on HIS side in this Battle....I suggest you get used to it....

You are not a pit bull beyond your own imagination. Arrogance and self compelled talk in God's Name is cause for His judgement.

Try not to argue against and then run from this fact.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

If you really had the finished work of Christ applied to your life by faith you wouldn't be purposely living in your old life of sin. This is the single most important truth that escapes you. Salvation changes a person. If you don't have that change, you aren't saved.

...let no one deceive you...
8The one who practices sin is of the devil...
9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin...
1 John 3:7-9​

Let that sink in, BB. You have been deceived by false teachers. An unrepentant person purposely living in their old life of sin is an unsaved person. They show that they are not born again and do not have the grace of God in salvation. "LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU"-vs.7.

By NO STRETCH of the Imagination do I live the old life that I used to live..... I used to be nothing but an atheistic , drunken skirt- chaser who never “ considered” opening a Bible.....for the last 35 years , I devote HOURS to Bible Study every day......I love it and can get enough of it.....You sure do “ “ assume” a lot of things about me , don't you? Well, you are a smart guy....I am sure I don’t have to remind you of what happens to Those That “ Assume”......right? lol......If you ever meet me some day,you are going to be amazed by my kindness and my forgiving nature.....I am a sheep in wolf’s clothing....lol.....you’ll see that someday, I hope.....my biggest problem in life is that everybody I meet wants to be my Best Friend ......I simply don’t have the time to hang out with everybody that wants to be my Buddy.....it ain’t really “ME” that they are tracked to —- it’s the “ Christ in me” that makes me appealing to others...no brag.... just Fact....lol....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You are not a pit bull beyond your own imagination. Arrogance and self compelled talk in God's Name is cause for His judgement.

Try not to argue against and then run from this fact.

I prefer not to “Try” Anything that you might suggest......sorry....

 

[Jared42]

I prefer not to “Try” Anything that you might suggest......sorry....

Yes, what you "try" to do as an imaginary pit bull for God is actually accomplishing nothing at all, but to dishonor Him.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Yes, what you "try" to do as an imaginary pit bull for God is actually accomplishing nothing at all, but to dishonor Him.

That Opinion is worth exactly what I payed for it —-NOTHING!

The only “Dishonoring” going on around here is you Legalists trampling on the Blood as you Add to it and try to be “ Co- Savior” with your “Lucky Repentance” False, Perverted “Gospel”......

I have been here for many months , but I just discovered the “ Newbie” section the other day....I am getting too spread out in too many Forums these days ......I am outta here for now....gonna devote my time to Newbies, hopefully before they get Ruined by Modern - Day Judaizers..... bye!

 

[Jared42]

That Opinion is worth exactly what I payed for it —-NOTHING!

The only “Dishonoring” going on around here is you Legalists trampling on the Blood as you Add to it and try to be “ Co- Savior” with your “Lucky Repentance” False, Perverted “Gospel”......

I have been here for many months , but I just discovered the “ Newbie” section the other day....I am getting too spread out in too many Forums these days ......I am outta here for now....gonna devote my time to Newbies, hopefully before they get Ruined by Modern - Day Judaizers..... bye!

 

[Jared42]

God bless and redeem you.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

By NO STRETCH of the Imagination do I live the old life that I used to live..... I used to be nothing but an atheistic , drunken skirt- chaser who never “ considered” opening a Bible.

Lol, in my post 'you' means anybody reading this post, not you personally.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If you ever meet me some day,you are going to be amazed by my kindness and my forgiving nature.....I am a sheep in wolf’s clothing....lol.....you’ll see that someday, I hope.....my biggest problem in life is that everybody I meet wants to be my Best Friend .

Your charisma and your false doctrine about living in sin are a dangerous combination. It's how cults get started.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

“ GRACE” changes NOBODY.....the Indwelling Spirit Of God does the “ Changing” .

"...the grace of God... It instructs us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live sensible, upright, and godly lives..." Titus 2:11-12

Here's how that works...

"...because her many sins have been forgiven, she has loved much." Luke 7:47

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I understand all of these great, positive things......what YOU do not understand is that doing ALL of these things will not SAVE you!

It's funny how you still don't get it that nobody is saying repentance from dead works earns salvation.

You do in fact have to turn from wickedness to be saved. That does not mean turning from wickedness earns your salvation. But that seems to be the only way you can understand it. You think it can ONLY mean that. Well, it doesn't have to only mean that.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

God bless and redeem you.

Thanks, but He has already done both of these things....

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Their salvation is evidenced by their repentance (their change of mind and behavior away from sin and toward God). A change of mind that is not visible in some way is a change that has not occurred. No change shows there is no grace present in the unrepentant person to cause repentance. They have rejected it.

Tell us how you personally can verify if such a change has happened in anyone through repentance.

Please go ahead and give a good answer based upon Scripture.

"...we know that He has chosen you, because our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power, in the Holy Spirit, and with great conviction—just as you know we lived among you for your sake. And you became imitators of us and of the Lord when you welcomed the message with the joy of the Holy Spirit" 1 Thessalonians 1:5-6​

 

[BloodBought 1953]

It's funny how you still don't get it that nobody is saying repentance from dead works earns salvation.

You do in fact have to turn from wickedness to be saved. That does not mean turning from wickedness earns your salvation. But that seems to be the only way you can understand it. You think it can ONLY mean that. Well, it doesn't have to only mean that.

That doesn’t even make sense....we’ve been down that road before......I’ve got out everything I want people to know......let me summarize before I leave this Thread.....

If the Bible says “ repent” —— do it.

If the Bible says “ Repent Of Sins —-do it.

If the Bible says “ Repent Of all of your sins to be Saved —- do that too.Unfortunately for many, the Bible says that nowhere.....using the KJV, try to prove me Wrong .....win $ 1000 if you do.....

If the Bible says to Simply Believe that Jesus died for your sins and rose from the grave in order to get Saved and stay Saved —— Do THAT ! Plus NOTHING . I am talking strictly about Salvation and Salvation ONLY.....Repentance Of Sins has its place in the life Of the Believer, but if one does that in any way, shape or form, it gives NO credit or Glory to Jesus and if “ Repenting From Sins” was the recipe for Salvation.....Christ died in vain....

When it comes to Salvation, the song has it right.....it really * IS* “ Nothing But The Blood” .....Don’t Find Yourself on the Wrong side of that argument.....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Your charisma and your false doctrine about living in sin are a dangerous combination. It's how cults get started.

“ Charisma?” Wow, that’s a first.....I have been called many things in here as I try to defend Paul’s Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing for Salvation, but I have never been called “ Charismatic”.....If I have any “ charm” it’s because I am a Spreader Of “ Good News” .....just like Paul , I preach “ Christ Crucified” . Plus Nothing.Jesus actually DID die for our Sins ...You have heard That said so many times you say it without thinking about it.....it means nothing to you any more, if it ever did.....How can you or I go to Hell if Jesus died for our sins.....what sins could we be damned for if Jesus died for them ? It’s the first half of the Gospel .....The Gospel we must Believe in order to be Saved.....the Problem for you Legalists is that this Truth has never really “ hit home” with you guys.....you mouth it without thinking about it's repercussions .....you just don’t really believe the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4....

If you ever really Believe that Jesus died for ALL of your sins, the result will LESS Sinning, not more....getting that monkey of performance off of your back ( Repenting from all of your sins before you die included ) spurs a Love and Gratitude for God that spurs Obedience .....the Obedience That God Wants to see—- an Obedience based on Love, not Fear......( the Fear Of, “ have I Repented from all of my sins before I die” especially....) ......what a sad, dismal way to live.....no assurance.....no joy....if you don’t have both of these things, especially JOY in your life you got something wrong somewhere.....you don’t really believe the “ Good News” That brings about that Joy.....

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You do in fact have to turn from wickedness to be saved. That does not mean turning from wickedness earns your salvation. But that seems to be the only way you can understand it. You think it can ONLY mean that. Well, it doesn't have to only mean that.

That doesn’t even make sense.

It doesn't make sense to you because you do not understand that not turning from your wickedness is nothing more than unbelief. Repenting from dead works is the obligatory and necessary 'action' of saving faith. Not because repentance earns salvation but because repentance is what genuine saving faith does.

No repentance from dead works shows a person to not have saving faith. And so they are condemned in that unrepentant state. That is the way that repentance is necessary for salvation that you can't grasp. You are only able to understand the necessity for repentance in salvation as that repentance earning salvation.

Paul wasn't teaching that you must turn away from evil works in order to earn salvation when he said this...

“Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord must turn away from iniquity.” 2 Timothy 2:19​

But according to you, that's all it can mean!

Your 'you can live in sin and still be saved' theology is completely false. You've seen the verses that say the person who lives in sin is not saved, and you've seen the verses that say saved people don't live in sin, yet you persist in your heretical theology.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

“Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord must turn away from iniquity.” 2 Tim


And if they don’t they will be Chastised .....they CANT lose their Salvation if they Have Turned to Jesus to Save them—- it would cancel out dozens of Scriptures like the one you cited——“Anybody that asks to be Saved * WILL* be Saved”......The Onus is on God to do as He promised which is to “ Finish the work that He started”......Jesus has promised to present us before His Father as “ Blameless”...

Anything out there that MUST be done WILL be done—-God will see to it.....If a person has to juggle ten bowling balls in order to be fit for Heaven.......God will see to it that we can juggle ten bowling balls.....the demand that I MUST turn from iniquity is easy now that I have the Holy Spirit in me.....I WANT to turn from iniquity.....the secret to any and all “ demands” is getting that Spirit in you....

We are also ordered to “ pray without ceasing” .....how’s Everybody doing with that one?The Legalistic, Religious man would force himself ( like the monks do ) to get up at four in the morning and “ pray” fir five hours before doing anything else......Hogwash ....nobody can pray that long in a way that pleases God......If one has the Holy Spirit in them , they will pray from the time they arise until the time they go to bed—— without even trying.Its like an all day conversation with God that just like being against iniquity —- it comes naturally and effortlessly.....

Rest in the Gospel and don’t add to it with stuff like “ Lucky Repentance” etc. as God “ also” demanded and all of the “ musts” in the Bible get taken care of naturally.....” MUSTS” become “ WANTS “ to the Saved man .....

If you have to set aside certain “ prayer times” every day —- If you must come up with some kind of mandatory, obligatory “ prayer time” everyday, done only because you have been “ told” to and not because you can’t “ help” but do it......you have a problem.....even prayer can be a Dead Work....

Do you “ pray without ceasing” in the manner that I described Ferris? Please let me know ...it can reveal a lot....is it Mechanical or is it Natural? It’s the difference between “ religion” and True Christianity....be honest...describe to me how you “ pray without ceasing”—— you being so concerned about “ musts” and such.....l

 

[Jared42]

More like a yapping little designer dog demanding to get its way.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

“Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord must turn away from iniquity.” 2 Tim

Anything out there that MUST be done WILL be done—-God will see to it.....If a person has to juggle ten bowling balls in order to be fit for Heaven.......God will see to it that we can juggle ten bowling balls.....the demand that I MUST turn from iniquity is easy now that I have the Holy Spirit in me.....I WANT to turn from iniquity.....the secret to any and all “ demands” is getting that Spirit in you.

Then stop defending 'Christians' in whom God does NOT see to it that they turn from iniquity! People who are living in sin aren't saved. If they were they wouldn't be living in sin!

Can't you see how contradictory your argument is? On one hand you say the Christian turns away from his sin because God promises to make that happen. Then you turn right around and defend the person in whom that doesn't happen and insist they're a saved Christian too...even though God didn't keep his promise to turn them from iniquity! Make up your mind.

So, either 1) the person living in sin is not saved, because if he was he wouldn't be living in sin (which is actually what the bible teaches), or 2) the person living in sin is saved despite the fact that God is not keeping his promise to turn them from sin. Which one do you want to go with? Make you argument clear! Because it's a contradictory mess the way it is now.