Sola Scriptura

[BreadOfLife]

Friend - Religion and Rome condemned Jesus - who committed no sin - They condemned Him to death.
Get yourself this book: Babylon Mystery Religion by Ralph Woodrow

Better yet - get Ralph Woodrow's follow-up book The Babylon connection? - where he REFUTES his previous book, Babylon Mystery Religion and APOLOGIZES for having written it in the first place.

And by the way - the Jews and Pagan Rome condemned Jesus - not the CHURCH in Rome, Einstein . . .

 

[David in NJ]

Soooo, the golden angels were ALIVE?
Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

They were hunks of gold - nor real Angels.
The Angels in the Temple were just statues - not real Angels.
The Crucifux on my wall at home is a hunk of wood and metal - it's not really Jesus hanging there.

However - God is PRESENT in all these things.

One of the first things the Holy Spirit showed me after my rebirth into His Righteousness was that Jesus is no longer on the cross.
He died once and for all, never to suffer/die again. He is RISEN - no crucifix needed anymore - He has Risen in my heart and He has raised me up from death - Amen

 

[Taken]

2 Thess 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a LETTER from us."

Great....QUOTE an oral statement or QUOTE a Letter FROM THE APOSTLES...

That said build statues to bow down to them.
Baby Baptism
Mary was sinless.
You know...all the regular stuff you preach....but never reveal a QUOTE OF SCRIPTURE that verifies it being taught; BY THE APOSTLES...

 

[BreadOfLife]

The only thing thats "false" is your understanding. Nowhere in any legitimate read of that does it give equal footing to traditional law versus scripture. You just pretend it does.

Show me ANY other example where "either/or" does NOT imply equality.

It existed long before then as an assembly over at least 2 mentioned earlier.
Is all your script this inaccurate?

WRONG again.

There was NEVER an official Canon prior to the Council of Rome in 382.
Study your history, son . . .

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

Show me ANY other example where "either/or" does NOT imply equality.

Nobody can prove a negative so show where it DOES. The burden is on you and you have failed.

WRONG again.

There was NEVER an official Canon prior to the Council of Rome in 382.
Study your history, son . . .

Listen little one, the writings existed. the term "official canon" has no bearing on that. Pay attention and always remember that you are not that smart.

 

[BreadOfLife]

One of the first things the Holy Spirit showed me after my rebirth into His Righteousness was that Jesus is no longer on the cross.
He died once and for all, never to suffer/die again. He is RISEN - no crucifix needed anymore - He has Risen in my heart and He has raised me up from death - Amen

That wasn't the Holy Spirit talking to you - because the Holy Spirit says:

1 Cor. 1:2-3
Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles

1 Cor. 2:2
For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

Apparently, that's a stumbling block for you . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Nobody can prove a negative so show where it DOES. The burden is on you and you have failed.
Listen little one, the writings existed. the term "official canon" has no bearing on that. Pay attention and always remember that you are not that smart.

It ABSOLUTELY matters.

Why do YOU follow the 27 Books of the NT that the Catholic Church declared inspired?
Why do YOU follow Luther's Canon of the OT with 7 DELETED Books?

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

It ABSOLUTELY matters.

Why do YOU follow the 27 Books of the NT that the Catholic Church declared inspired?
Why do YOU follow Luther's Canon of the OT with 7 DELETED Books?

asked and answered

 

[David in NJ]

Better yet - get Ralph Woodrow's follow-up book The Babylon connection? - where he REFUTES his previous book, Babylon Mystery Religion and APOLOGIZES for having written it in the first place.

And by the way - the Jews and Pagan Rome condemned Jesus - not the CHURCH in Rome, Einstein . . .

You currently are rejecting the Word - i mentioned Mystery Babylon to help you. Know this, whenever that harlot gets exposed for what she is and where she came from, she attacks. For her hands are covered with the blood of the prophets and saints.

 

[David in NJ]

That wasn't the Holy Spirit talking to you - because the Holy Spirit says:

1 Cor. 1:2-3
Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles

1 Cor. 2:2
For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

Apparently, that's a stumbling block for you . . .

OK, you admit to being an antichrist and a false witness by attacking the Holy Spirit and using scripture to support a crucifix - your doomed.

 

[amigo de christo]

Deflection to another one of your pat go to deflections...is Old Hat, and irrelevant.

Try to stay on topic and DEFEND that Scirpture Inspired by God is insufficient.

What is your "alternatative" ... to Gods Inspired Word?

Stick with asking that question .

 

[amigo de christo]

You currently are rejecting the Word - i mentioned Mystery Babylon to help you. Know this, whenever that harlot gets exposed for what she is and where she came from, she attacks. For her hands are covered with the blood of the prophets and saints.

This world will soon witness the harlots butchery as she leads the world and religoins as one , to betray the few lambs who resisted her lie .
We will witness religoins and the world merging and those who refuse to conform being accused of being fundamental dangerous ones .
And worse it will get . Words will become actions . One massive tribulation is building up as we speak .
And when the delusion has filled the lands and the hearts of many tribes , nations , tongues , religions ,
They will , under the guise of their false god , round up lambs and think they do God s service , his will .
ITs coming and times will only get more delusional in the days ahead . let us cling to Christ
and be prepared to lose all for the glorious sake of JESUS CHRIST . The reward of the lambs is great .

 

[Illuminator]

Friend - Religion and Rome condemned Jesus - who committed no sin - They condemned Him to death.

Get yourself this book: Babylon Mystery Religion by Ralph Woodrow

A Profile in Integrity: Ralph Woodrow

There is nothing more refreshing than to encounter genuine integrity, and this is what I find in Ralph Woodrow, the Christian author of a big selling book that he took out of print for reasons of conscience — who then wrote another book refuting this first one.

Woodrow’s Babylon Mystery Religion (first published in 1966) was based on the findings in Alexander Hislop’s old book The Two Babylons (originally published in 1853), which detailed ways in which he said Roman Catholicism borrowed from pagan religion. The Ralph Woodrow Evangelistic Association’s income from sales of the book exceeded all other book sales and offerings put together, and he was hailed as an authority on the subject of the pagan origins of Roman Catholic practices.

All seemed well until a high school teacher informed him that much of the research in Hislop’s old book was unreliable. This was no challenge from denominational authorities or eminent scholars. There was no public pressure — just some information from a high school teacher.

Woodrow did not react defensively as most authors of big selling books would. Instead, he painstakingly investigated the matter and found the teacher was right. Though there were elements of truth in Hislop’s book, much of the supposed scholarship was based on mere myth and legend, and there were some weaknesses in Hislop’s logic.
read more here: A Profile in Integrity: Ralph Woodrow - Apologetics Index
(a Protestant source, so David in NJ can't complain of a bias)

further reading: Is Catholicism Pagan?

 

[Accurist]

Your application of Isaiah 8: in regard to the "doctrine" of SS ... is primarily non sequitur because the "law" spoken of there is clearly the written laws and edicts at that period and nowhere near the cumulative body of scripture as is described in the overall comprehensiveness of the concept of SS.

I essentially said that and more to Backlit, as he is the one who applied Is. 8:20 to Sola Scriptura and said it claims Scripture is "the final arbiter in doctrine, faith, and practice," and thus used Scripture out of context, not me.

 

[Brakelite]

. Neither of those quotes is from an official Catholic source.

The Catholic encyclopedia isn't official source material for Catholic faith and practise? Even with the imprimatur of the Vatican? And a "Converts Catechism to the Catholic Doctrine" by a Redemptorist Father is unreliable and not a source to be trusted? And then you quote so called church fathers as a source for justifying the change to a Commandment of God,?????

 

[Brakelite]

Our discussion about Sola Scriptura began with your post #133, continued (#154, #155, #244, #246, #249, #274 #299), and ended with your post #330 which was in reply to my prompting you to address post #249. Bow out duly noted.

There was no discussion. In response to my quote of scripture you copied Mungo's source which is merely a denial of the truth of the scripture I quoted, rendering it holistically irrelevant by limiting it's relevance to one event in history. Your church did the same with the 4th Commandment. Your tradition, not to be found anywhere in scripture, has superceded God's Commandment by the assumed authority of the church. The council of Trent was concluded as a victory over Protestantism on that basis, seeing Protestants were adhering to the same tradition. But you cannot use that argument against Sabbath keepers. Sabbath keepers are the only genuine adherents to Sola scriptura as the council of Trent by default supported. So Isaiah 8:20 stands. It is a generic truth not limited to one incident in Israeli history.

 

[farouk]

Not answered to satisfaction.

John 17.17: "Thy word is truth".

 

[Accurist]

There was no discussion.

I showed that we had a discussion about Sola Scriptura in post #337 which you bowed out of after I prompted you to address post #249. I can't think of why you'd lie by saying there wasn't a discussion except in an attempt to extricate yourself and salve your conscience.

Edits:
Replaced "cannot" with "can't."

 

[Brakelite]

I showed that we had a discussion about Sola Scriptura in post #337 which you bowed out of after I prompted you to address post #249. I cannot think of why you'd lie by saying there wasn't a discussion except in an attempt to extricate yourself and salve your conscience.

I didn't consider that a discussion. You just rehashed, regurgitated what was likely Jesuit obfuscation to destroy Protestant theology...which is why you are here, and I have no real interest in spending valuable time going down your endless rabbit trails. Isaiah 8:20 stands alone and is authoritative in and of itself.

 

[Zao is life]

No new High Priest ( the authority to speak for God) as Jesus was the last one

I liked your post but feel the need to correct your choice of words:

No new High Priest ( the authority to speak for God) as Jesus IS the only one.

I know you know that, I just feel the need ...