the great Jewish "distress"

[Zao is life]

Dear Brother, YES, YES i believe it all -

The Sabbath Rest is JESUS.

God has not changed His mind - JESUS is the Fulfillment of the Commandment to Rest on the Sabbath.
We cannot add to the Finished Work of God - when Jesus completed it on the Cross and said: It is FINISHED.

Religion is working on God's Sabbath Rest. RCC is a perfect example of this.[/b]

Come to Me you who are heavy laden(sin) and I will give you REST - AMEN

You words are contradictory.

 

[Truth7t7]

Your works, including obedience to sabbath law or any laws, are as useless, worthless and fruitless in the sight of God as the lack of righteousness that you obtain through obedience to it, is worth anything to you, because your works and your obedience is your own fruit produced by you as you walk in your own spirit, and not the fruit of the Spirit as you walk in the Spirit of Christ.

If you don't understand this, it shows that you don't believe the (one and only) gospel, but your own "gospel", which is no gospel at all.

Just make sure that you don't make the same mistake of the person who you came up on the side of, by after angering God by thinking you can diminish the value of the blood of Christ by adding the worthless value of your obedience to sabbath-keeping law, that you add to this the sin of accusing those who have not fallen into the same apostasy from faith in Christ alone that you have, of not being born again.

If you return to obedience to one law as a law to be obeyed, you are bound to obey all the law. You have fallen from grace and placed yourself under a curse - the curse of the law.

Keep The Commandments

Jesus Is The Lord

Matthew 19:16-17KJV
14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
15 And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence.
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Exodus 20:1-17KJV
1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

 

[Zao is life]

Matthew 19:16-17KJV
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Matthew 22
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the Law?
37 Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

John 15
12 This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
13 No one has greater love than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

John 13:34
I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. As I have loved you, you should also love one another.

Romans 13
8 Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
9 For: "Do not commit adultery; do not murder; do not steal; do not bear false witness; do not lust;" and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this word, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
10 Love works no ill to its neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

You are looking at the shadow of the Law and mistaking it for the real thing. Leave the letter of the law in the tomb where it was buried with Jesus. All your attempts to resurrect the letter of the law which was abolished in His flesh when He died on the cross is nothing more or less than attempting to communicate with the dead.

 

[Truth7t7]

Matthew 22
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the Law?
37 Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

John 15
12 This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
13 No one has greater love than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

John 13:34
I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. As I have loved you, you should also love one another.

Romans 13
8 Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
9 For: "Do not commit adultery; do not murder; do not steal; do not bear false witness; do not lust;" and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this word, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
10 Love works no ill to its neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

You are looking at the shadow of the Law and mistaking it for the real thing. Leave the letter of the law in the tomb where it was buried with Jesus. All your attempts to resurrect the letter of the law which was abolished in His flesh when He died on the cross is nothing more or less than attempting to communicate with the dead.

Keep The Commandments

Jesus Is The Lord

Matthew 19:16-17KJV
14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
15 And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence.
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Exodus 20:1-17KJV
1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

 

[Zao is life]

Keep The Commandments

Jesus Is The Lord

Matthew 19:16-17KJV
14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
15 And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence.
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Exodus 20:1-17KJV
1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

John 10
26 But all of you believe not, because all of you are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

The same Jews who would not let go of the shadow of the law, the letter of the law contained in commandments and ordinances, wanted to stone Jesus.

I'm not going to debate with you over your fallacy any more. As Jesus said,

"Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." (Matthew 8:22)

 

[Truth7t7]

John 10
26 But all of you believe not, because all of you are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

The same Jews who would not let go of the shadow of the law, the letter of the law contained in commandments and ordinances, wanted to stone Jesus.

I'm not going to debate with you over your fallacy any more. As Jesus said,

"Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." (Matthew 8:22)

Keep The Commandments

Jesus Is The Lord

Matthew 5:19KJV
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

 

[Zao is life]

Keep The Commandments

Jesus Is The Lord

Matthew 5:19KJV
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

And no one can obey them by walking in his own spirit.

The ten commandments are to do with love for God and for neighbor (all of them). This is fulfilled only by, and in Christ Jesus.

Through faith in Jesus Christ you must (yes must, because He said so) abide in Him so that He can produce His FRUIT in you,which fulfills the law - but not merely the shadow of the law contained in the commandments and ordinances - the real meaning and Spirit of the Law, which is Christ, and through Christ in you. This is what it means to walk in the Spirit. The only way this can be done is through you walking in the Spirit, through faith in Christ alone:

Romans 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
2 But the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh;
4 so that the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Galatians 5
16 I say, then, Walk in the Spirit and you shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

22 The fruit of the Spirit is: love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith,
23 meekness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Galatians 3
3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, do you now perfect yourself in the flesh?

12 But the Law is not of faith; but, "The man who does these things shall live in them."
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, being made a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone having been hanged on a tree");
14 so that the blessing of Abraham might be to the nations in Jesus Christ, and that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

You can't point others to Christ if you yourself are walking by your own spirit in obedience to the shadow of the real law of God, which only Christ can fulfill in you, if you abide in Him though faith in Him, His works, His righteousness, for He told you that without Him, YOU can do NOTHING:

John 15
4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it remains in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me.
5 I am the Vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.

It is the fruit of the Spirit being produced by Christ in you. Your obedience to the letter of the law means nothing. It is as dung in the eyes of God. It is your works.

 

[Truth7t7]

And no one can obey them by walking in his own spirit.

The ten commandments are to do with love for God and for neighbor (all of them). This is fulfilled only by, and in Christ Jesus.

Through faith in Jesus Christ you must (yes must, because He said so) abide in Him so that He can produce His FRUIT in you,which fulfills the law - but not merely the shadow of the law contained in the commandments and ordinances - the real meaning and Spirit of the Law, which is Christ, and through Christ in you. This is what it means to walk in the Spirit. The only way this can be done is through you walking in the Spirit, through faith in Christ alone:

Romans 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
2 But the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh;
4 so that the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Galatians 5
16 I say, then, Walk in the Spirit and you shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

22 The fruit of the Spirit is: love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith,
23 meekness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Galatians 3
3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, do you now perfect yourself in the flesh?

12 But the Law is not of faith; but, "The man who does these things shall live in them."
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, being made a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone having been hanged on a tree");
14 so that the blessing of Abraham might be to the nations in Jesus Christ, and that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

You can't point others to Christ if you yourself are walking by your own spirit in obedience to the shadow of the real law of God, which only Christ can fulfill in you, if you abide in Him though faith in Him, His works, His righteousness, for He told you that without Him, YOU can do NOTHING:

John 15
4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it remains in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me.
5 I am the Vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.

It is the fruit of the Spirit being produced by Christ in you. Your obedience to the letter of the law means nothing. It is as dung in the eyes of God. It is your works.

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Keep The Commandments

Jesus Is The Lord

Matthew 5:19KJV
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

Matthew 19:16-17KJV
14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
15 And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence.
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

 

[Zao is life]

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

And this is His commandment, that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as He gave us commandment. John 3:23

 

[marks]

I Fully Agree, Israel Is The Church,

That wouldn't be agreeing with me. Israel is Israel, and God has promises He's going to keep.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Dear Brother, i want you to see from scripture how God sees and judges. If anyone dares to add to the Work of God and His Rest, it is DEATH and Eternal Separation. This is why in the Law God said it was Death to anyone who worked on the Sabbath.
This is why the Law was given, as a Tudor, to bring us to Christ.

If you are talking about God casting away His children, no, that doesn't happen.

Oh, and that's "tutor". The Tudors were something different.

Much love!

 

[marks]

It appears that your claims that Jews/Israel being rescued and all saved has fallen apart, as stated

Only the "Remnant" Jew will be saved and added to the Church, the rest will be blind and die

Perhaps you don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not sure I understand what you mean here.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Yes, if you believe in pre-trib rapture and believe it has been established by God then it should be SIMPLE and in PLAIN VIEW in the Scriptures.

Why would that be? This seems like an arbitrary rule.

And I'll bet the main reason for disagreement has nothing to do with passages that teach the rapture (1). I'll bet the main basis of disagreement is disagreement over Israel and the Church.

Much love!

 

[Timtofly]

A Pre-Trib Rapture Is Found No Place In The Scripture

Many of man's theologies are not found in Scripture. Amillennialism is not found in Scripture. If man puts a label on some ideology, it can be conjecture and not actually God's Word. How precise do you want to get in defining words in the Bible?

 

[David in NJ]

Why would that be? This seems like an arbitrary rule.

And I'll bet the main reason for disagreement has nothing to do with passages that teach the rapture (1). I'll bet the main basis of disagreement is disagreement over Israel and the Church.

Much love!

Brother this is clear = God is not the author of confusion.
God wrote a Book - a children's book - for His Children - smart people twist and struggle and have melt downs and spew forth nonsense from it to make themselves important before His Sheep - many fall for their ways = Acts 20

The Lord made clear in His Word
#1. He is Returning
#2 for His Bride/the Church/His Elect
#3 BEFORE 1 & 2 occur the falling away and the man of sin is revealed
#4 BEFORE the Rapture occurs the Lord will bring with Him those who have died in Christ and will RESURRECT them
This is the FIRST RESURRECTION our Lord instructed us to make sure we are part of this First Resurrection unless.........we are alive and remain at His Coming/Return
#5 The Rapture of those who are alive at His Coming/Return.

This is the WORD of GOD in Scripture, easy to see and understand, in plain sight of everyone who can read.

Why then so much confusion on that which is not confused???
Answer from GOD:
I know that after my departure, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.
Even from your own number, men will rise up and distort the truth to draw away disciples after them.
Therefore be alert and remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.
Acts 20: 29-31

See how simple and childlike this is - 'silly rabbit everyone knows Jesus is for Kids'

Unless you become like little children you will in no way enter the Kingdom of God.

 

[marks]

smart people twist and struggle and have melt downs and spew forth nonsense from it to make themselves important before His Sheep

Yes, this occurs a lot.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, this occurs a lot.

Much love!

i made some edits

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, this occurs a lot.

Much love!

i left out the scriptures on purpose - can you find them for each point i laid out

 

[marks]

#2 for His Bride/the Church/His Elect

So . . . where exactly is it that the Bible teaches the Church is the Bride of Christ? I still say this has more to do with how we read it.

The Bible uses the simile of a bride, and to you this is declaration that we ARE in fact His bride? That's non-sequitor. Or did you have another place in mind from Ephesians 5?

Go with any of the places such is mentioned, there is nothing to say the Church is the bride of Christ. Meanwhile, we are told specifically that God had wed Israel, put her away, but will re-wed her. The one who was put away.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

How is what God declared to be true a non-sequitur?

Paul is correct and it is the Word of God - you know.
The Bride of Christ is spoken of in Genesis.
Have you forgotten what Jesus said? - Moses wrote of Me