Daniel's Abomination Of Desolation In Matthew 24:15, A Future Event Unfulfilled

[Truth7t7]

@Naomi25 Some of these prophetic threads can be rather difficult to follow...

Especially when they are full of symbolic Preterist teachings, relating to literal events seen

 

[Naomi25]

@Naomi25 Some of these prophetic threads can be rather difficult to follow...

Yeah. Sometimes its just a matter of context, I think. Sometimes it can be hard to follow because…well, the post is odd. But sometimes it can be hard to follow because I have no real context to place it in and therefore struggle to understand some of the statements therein. Which means…its more my fault than theirs. I don’t mind admitting it. Sometimes it’s a little of both.

 

[Marty fox]

Well, on first blush, I’d have to say two things, I suppose. First…the difference between ‘spirit of antichrist’ and just a general reference to ‘many antichrist’…is not a lot. If a person HAS the spirit of antichrist, in large part, they ARE antichrist. They are just not THE antichrist, the one who ‘you have heard is coming’.

The second thing I’d say…to the comment made by Marty is…it’s a bit pedantic to try and rest the whole of an argument on the fact that the two books John wrote don’t use the same phrase, or have exact parameters.
I think we need to take all the information into account. First, I’d say 1 John, while inspired, is clearly a book written by John, in John’s hand, expressing things as John would. Revelation is, from the beginning to the end, made clear to us, the Revelation of Jesus Christ. John is simply writing down what he sees and hears. The words, the pictures…are not his. He is seeing heavenly realities, which we may expect to differ from how John interpreted the inspired moving of the Spirit as he wrote his book.
The second thing I’d say is…when we correlate ALL information about this ‘end of days’ figure…what do we see then? Paul’s outline in 2 Thess 2 correlates closely to much of Daniel. Daniel is seen again, like it has cast its shadow, in Revelation. And 1 John 2 absolutely affirms that, just as both Daniel and 2 Thess 2, that we may expect this figure to arise in the future. Put together, it paints a picture….no matter the terms used for this individual. The characteristics seen within him are clear.

Yes but what you are missing is that the description of the beast is very different from the description of John’s antichrist.

John’s antichrist is a deceiving spirit that Denies that Jesus was God but John’s description of the beast is a self glorified murdering beast. John’s beast is more like the 2 Thessalonians one and John’s antichrist is more like the false prophet.

Both the antichrist and the beast have different descriptions and different purposes

 

[jessiblue]

In Daniel 9:27, who do you see as being the desolate?

The AoD is the desolator, i.e. Satan. He is the antichrist that comes at the 6th trump.
Matthew 24:15-16
The Great Tribulation
15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

jb

 

[Oseas]

Scripture strongly suggest the "Future" image of the beast being set up is the abomination that makes desolate?

Daniel 12:9-13KJV
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

Revelation 13:13-15KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

To all

Abomination is that man of sin, the son of perdition, who will oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit (will sit on a throne, will be enthroned)in the temple of GOD, shewing himself that he is God. 2 Thes.2

Let no man deceive you all by any means, as the author of post that now I have replied.

 

[jessiblue]

There are actually 2 “beasts” mentioned in Revelation 13.

Here's the first beast: (describes what the structure of the New World Order will look like after Satan [the dragon] is cast out of heaven)
Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
[2] And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Here’s the second beast:
Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

jb

 

[jessiblue]

- - Continued from above….

The “sea” in Revelation 13:1 is the people of the earth from which the political system arises.

Rev. 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

And the ten horns are ten kings under the authority of Satan.

Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: ...

Rev. 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

jb

 

[Truth7t7]

Both the antichrist and the beast have different descriptions and different purposes

Big Smiles Marty, as you wiggle your post into Johns (The Antichrist)

Marty, you know well Johns epistle applies to all who deny Jesus Christ came in the flesh, untold Millions throughout history

Hard to believe, wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, (The Antichrist) in a false prophet appears, Smiles

 

[Oseas]

There are actually 2 “beasts” mentioned in Revelation 13.

Here's the first beast: (describes what the structure of the New World Order will look like after Satan [the dragon] is cast out of heaven)
Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
[2] And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Here’s the second beast:
Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

jb

You are correct: "There are actually 2 “beasts” mentioned in Revelation 13."

But your comment is not according the content of Revelation 13, your spirit has omitted what is written in Revelation 13, why?

Revelation 13:v.1 to 10 - The Beast of sea(sea means: peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues, right-Rev.17:v.15? A GENTILE BEAST

Revelation 13:v.11 to 18-
11 And I beheld ANOTHER Beast coming up out of the earth (earth here is Israel, the dry land, the clay, not the Planet); and he has two horns like a lamb(a false lamb, a false messiah, AN IMPOSTOR), and he spake as a Dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the FIRST Beast(the ancient Beast of sea) before him, and causeth the earth(the Jews-Israel-the dry land, the clay) and them which dwell therein to worship the FIRST Beast(the Beast of sea), whose deadly wound was healed. A STRONG DELUSION

13 And he (the MAN Beast of the earth-a Jewish Beast-the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah) doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the Beast (Beast of sea); saying to them that dwell on the earth(Israel), that they should make an image to the Beast, which had the wound by a Sword (a sharp Sword-the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD), and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the Beast, that the image of the Beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the Beast should be killed. IN FACT TWO SATANIC BEASTS - A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE BEAST OF EARTH(A JEWISH MAN BEAST) AND THE BEAST OF SEA- A GENTILE MAN BEAST-

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Be carefuL and get ready

 

[Oseas]

The “sea” in Revelation 13:1 is the people of the earth from which the political system arises.

Revelation 13:v.1 - 1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a Beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

As you can see, the structure of the MAN Beast of sea is a SATANIC AND GENTILIC RELIGIOUS MONSTER having 7 heads, and 10 horns, and upon his 10 horns 10 crowns (crowns of 10 kings), and upon his 7 heads the NAME of blasphemy. (What is this name of blasphemy?)

You said: "the people of the earth"; well, the people of the earth (or followers of the Beast of sea) is located (1)in Europe, (2) in Asia. (3) in Africa, (4) in Oceania/Australia), 5 in North America, (6) in Central America and (7) in South America.

In this moment, the 10 horns-10 kings- are not linked to the MAN Beast of sea yet, they will be only after the manifestation of the Jewish MAN Beast of the earth(Israel or 10 tribes which rebelled against the house of David).

But there are also more 7 kings within the satanic structures of the MAN Beast of sea.

It would be good you do a re-study of your interpretation of Revelation 13

God bless

 

[Truth7t7]

- - Continued from above….

The “sea” in Revelation 13:1 is the people of the earth from which the political system arises.

Rev. 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

And the ten horns are ten kings under the authority of Satan.

Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: ...

Rev. 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

jb

I disagree that the beast represents a "Political System', the beast that rises out of the sea or multitudes of people will be a literal individual human man, and is described with (Personal Pronouns) He, His, Him

Revelation 13:1-8KJV
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[jessiblue]

I disagree that the beast represents a "Political System', the beast that rises out of the sea or multitudes of people will be a literal individual human man, and is described with (Personal Pronouns) He, His, Him

Revelation 13:1-8KJV
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Just consider that some of the verses you posted above refer to the first beast (the one-world system) and some to the second beast (the dragon). If you don’t see it this way, no problem; we’ll just agree to disagree.

The first beast is a political system which must be wounded before the second beast can take power. This "deadly wound" is spoken of in Revelation 13:3, and is going to be a wound to the political beast of this end time. The second beast is Satan, the false-christ, and his wounding will take place when Jesus Christ returns at the seventh trump.

Rev 13:1 "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy."

This beast that rose out of the peoples of the world, came from all the seven continents of the world and will come from seven entities of power and those men or entities of power will rule over this one world system. This one-world system will stand against that which we know to be true Christianity from God's Word. It will be against the teaching of Jesus Christ. This blasphemy will be world wide. This particular beast that rose from this “water” is not a entity/person, but it has many heads, or agencies, that will each govern their own area. This beast is a one-world political system that is already being formed today. This political beast will take in all seven continents of this world for the sole purpose of blaspheming and leading the people away from the true God.

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority."

jb

 

[Truth7t7]

The first beast is a political system which must be wounded before the second beast can take power. This "deadly wound" is spoken of in Revelation 13:3, and is going to be a wound to the political beast of this end time. The second beast is Satan, the false-christ, and his wounding will take place when Jesus Christ returns at the seventh trump.

Rev 13:1 "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy."

This beast that rose out of the peoples of the world, came from all the seven continents of the world and will come from seven entities of power and those men or entities of power will rule over this one world system. This one-world system will stand against that which we know to be true Christianity from God's Word. It will be against the teaching of Jesus Christ. This blasphemy will be world wide. This particular beast that rose from this “water” is not a entity/person, but it has many heads, or agencies, that will each govern their own area. This beast is a one-world political system that is already being formed today. This political beast will take in all seven continents of this world for the sole purpose of blaspheming and leading the people away from the true God.

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority."

jb

"Yes we will respectfully disagree" that the beast represents a "Political System'

The beast that rises out of the sea or multitudes of people will be a literal individual human man, and is described with (Personal Pronouns) He, His, Him

Revelation 13:1-8KJV
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[jessiblue]

"Yes we will respectfully disagree" that the beast represents a "Political System', the beast that rises out of the sea or multitudes of people will be a literal individual human man, and is described with (Personal Pronouns) He, His, Him

Revelation 13:1-8KJV
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

:) We will respectfully disagree that there are two “beasts” referred to in Revelation 13. great discussion.

 

[Naomi25]

Especially when they are full of symbolic Preterist teachings, relating to literal events seen

Well, sure…maybe. Except…those times when Preterists would point to a ‘literal’ event as a fulfilment…and Dispensationalists would say ‘no…a “true” literal fulfilment is pushing it off to some future event’.
Don’t get me wrong…I don’t agree with a lot of Preterists teachings…but you have to agree that if we’re just looking at “confusing”…there’s plenty of that wherever you look.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Just consider that some of the verses you posted above refer to the first beast (the one-world system) and some to the second beast (the dragon). If you don’t see it this way, no problem; we’ll just agree to disagree.

The first beast is a political system which must be wounded before the second beast can take power. This "deadly wound" is spoken of in Revelation 13:3, and is going to be a wound to the political beast of this end time. The second beast is Satan, the false-christ, and his wounding will take place when Jesus Christ returns at the seventh trump.

Rev 13:1 "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy."

This beast that rose out of the peoples of the world, came from all the seven continents of the world and will come from seven entities of power and those men or entities of power will rule over this one world system. This one-world system will stand against that which we know to be true Christianity from God's Word. It will be against the teaching of Jesus Christ. This blasphemy will be world wide. This particular beast that rose from this “water” is not a entity/person, but it has many heads, or agencies, that will each govern their own area. This beast is a one-world political system that is already being formed today. This political beast will take in all seven continents of this world for the sole purpose of blaspheming and leading the people away from the true God.

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority."

jb

You should take a look at this video...interesting...very interesting

 

[Oseas]

Hear who has ear to hear.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for the Day shall not come, except there come...that man of sin, the son of perdition.
Who will oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Check it in 2 Thes.2:v.3-4


I have said the man Beast of the earth- the false messiah of the Jews - was already born decades ago, of course, because the time of his manifestation is geting, he will manifest in days to come, he will be revealed in his time as is written, it cannot be before, neither after, GOD is in control, nothing random happens.


Since he is at the age to manifest, but doesn't manifest because it is determined to happen in its own time, then he comes and goes in Israel, walking in secret, up and down, to and fro, among the people, but they don't know yet that this satanic man, the man of sin, son of perdition, he will manifest himself as their messiah.


When he manifest himself, the entire WORLD will be dazzled by the presence of a messiah in Israel, a false messiah, an IMPOSTOR, in fact a false Christ. The channel of Tv CNN mainly and of the whole world will show the manifestation of the false messiah.

Around the world, the Pastors, and Bichops, and Evangelists, among others, will preach in the pulpit of the Churches saying Christ(yeah Christ, NOT JESUS) CAME BACK, and a multitude of their followers also will preach saying Christ (NOT JESUS) RETURNED, and many will be deceived.

Be careful, or get ready

 

[jessiblue]

You should take a look at this video...interesting...very interesting

There it is—one-worldism (ecumenicalism). Then their false peace and hope leaves people wide open for the deception that is coming upon the whole earth when Satan arrives at the sixth trump while Christ isn't returning until the seventh trump. Yeah, this “peace, peace but there is no peace” is already present all around us today, all this preparing the way for the false christ. I think it won’t be long now. jb

 

[David in NJ]

With some men all they can see is death, destruction, and evil. They eat the fruit of it.

Many are awaiting a bodily return Of Christ. We are the body of Christ, if within us, from where does He return?

Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.
After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

Therefore encourage one another with these words.

1 Thessalonians 4: 13-18

 

[Heart2Soul]

There it is—one-worldism (ecumenicalism). Then their false peace and hope leaves people wide open for the deception that is coming upon the whole earth when Satan arrives at the sixth trump while Christ isn't returning until the seventh trump. Yeah, this “peace, peace but there is no peace” is already present all around us today, all this preparing the way for the false christ. I think it won’t be long now. jb

The antichrist comes in the deception of "peace" under the disguise of religion.