The Ones Who Are Left…

[Waiting on him]

[37] He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. [38] The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one,

John 18:20 KJV
[20] Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.


What is the world/worlds?


Hebrews 11:3 KJV
[3] Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

 

[Naomi25]

This sowing of the seed is done by Christ Himself. Not from heaven, but literally Christ is on the earth when it happens.

"He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man."

This sowing and harvest is after the Second Coming.

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We sow the seed by communicating with others.

Some only see our life and not our words. So even our testimony is sowing the seed.

 

[Naomi25]

There is one time of resurrection for all, this takes place on the (Last Day) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second) death resurrection has no power.

1.) (First) Resurrection To Life
2.) (Second) Resurrection To Damnation, The Second Death

Revelation 20:6KJV
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The (Last Day) Resurrection Of All Below

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Did you miss the part where this was wild speculation on my part…like “what if unicorns were real?”
Nice you took the time to really address it tho.
Yes, I believe in a ‘last day’ resurrection for all. And, while I enjoy a bit of speculation here and there, and also enjoy conversation with those who see it differently, I believe there will only be one.

 

[Truth7t7]

Is this coming to earth, or does Christ remain in heaven?

As Stated This Is The "Second Coming" And ",Final Judgement" (The End)

Matthew 25:31KJV
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

 

[Naomi25]

John 18:20 KJV
[20] Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.


What is the world/worlds?


Hebrews 11:3 KJV
[3] Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Jesus spoke to the world. He created the universe (many worlds).

 

[Waiting on him]

As Stated This Is The "Second Coming" And ",Final Judgement" (The End)

Matthew 25:31KJV
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

So He isn’t already seated?

 

[Waiting on him]

Jesus spoke to the world. He created the universe (many worlds).

Amazing.

 

[Truth7t7]

So He isn’t already seated?

A Literal Future Event Unfulfilled

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

 

[Oseas]

John 18:20 KJV
[20] Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.

What is the world/worlds?

Hebrews 11:3 KJV
[3] Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

And what about he world to come - the next world - the Kingdom of GOD-Revelation 11:v.15 to 18. Who is worthy to enter in the Kingdom of GOD -Luke 20:v.35-36 - that will be established from now on?

Luke 13:v.23-28
23 Then said one unto JESUS, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

 

[Waiting on him]

And what about he world to come - the next world - the Kingdom of GOD-Revelation 11:v.15 to 18. Who is worthy to enter in the Kingdom of GOD -Luke 20:v.35-36 - that will be established from now on?

Luke 13:v.23-28
23 Then said one unto JESUS, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

He clearly defines the Jews of that age as being the world. That age ended….

We know this because history declares it, even our calendar declares it.

 

[Davy]

Maybe its just natural talent then. Probably beneficial to have when trying to get your brethren into disciplined bible study…I’m sure it will make them more inclined to listen to you. Shamed into discipline. When has that not worked?


Oh golly.
Are you one of those folks who think God used ghost writing to get his word down? The apostles just went into a fugue state and when they snapped out of it and looked down they were like, “golly, look what I’ve just done?”
What makes you think the Holy Spirit works like that? Does he now? Has he at any point in history? Or does he lead, inspire, whisper, impress? He can certainly act in a way powerful enough to get what he wants across, have no doubt…and I have no doubt that what God wanted in his word is exactly as he wanted it. But to suggest he didn’t….as he does now…as he has ALWAYS done…USED his people, as they are…to do exactly as he wanted…is a mistake.

I've heard many of those old time preachers that really don't know what The Word of God says because they're always busy talking about how somebody in The Bible must have felt. They think being concerned about what somebody feels more important than the Message our Heavenly Father was giving. And afterall, when the prophets say, "The LORD saith...", it's not the prophet speaking, but God Himself.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

What about the reference to ‘the watchers’, also in Daniel? They are described a ‘holy ones’, who ‘come down’. Not just a simple ‘angelic messenger’.
My point is, the spiritual world is as Paul suggests….powers, authorities, principalities. It’s deeper than we suspect, and we must not simply subscribe references to spiritual beings to human motives and doings.

understood. for sake of conversation, it may be a crazy thought, but consider “come down” In …”They are described a ‘holy ones’, who ‘come down’. Not just a simple ‘angelic messenger’.” What does “not earthly wisdom but heavenly wisdom which comes down from above” mean? What is to be born from above of God, to “come down” from above? Is it possible the coming down from above has something to do “to come down from above” in submission to God in “to come down” that all things whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven, in subjection to Him as the Head. Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

You mentioned “watchers” that “come down” what is to “come down”? “Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;” what is to “come down” from above if not James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

Hebrews 2:8-11 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. [9] But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. [10] For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. [11] For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

What is to be born from above, to come down from above? Elusive or “spiritual wickedness in high places” in “But now we see not yet all things put under him.” Yet “come down” from above for “Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet”

consider to be born of God, to come down from above …may be the very thing despised and avoided at all cost; the message of to “come down from above” that all things in heaven and on earth be in subjection under His feet.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

understood. for sake of conversation, it may be a crazy thought, but consider “come down” In …”They are described a ‘holy ones’, who ‘come down’. Not just a simple ‘angelic messenger’.” What does “not earthly wisdom but heavenly wisdom which comes down from above” mean? What is to be born from above of God, to “come down” from above? Is it possible the coming down from above has something to do “to come down from above” in submission to God in “to come down” that all things whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven, in subjection to Him as the Head. Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

You mentioned “watchers” that “come down” what is to “come down”? “Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;” what is to “come down” from above if not James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

Hebrews 2:8-11 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. [9] But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. [10] For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. [11] For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

What is to be born from above, to come down from above? Elusive or “spiritual wickedness in high places” in “But now we see not yet all things put under him.” Yet “come down” from above for “Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet”

consider to be born of God, to come down from above …may be the very thing despised and avoided at all cost; the message of to “come down from above” that all things in heaven and on earth be in subjection under His feet.

1 Corinthians 1:26-31 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called : [27] But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; [28] And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: [29] That no flesh should glory in his presence. [30] But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: [31] That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

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[VictoryinJesus]

Hebrews 11:3 KJV
[3] Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

“…so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear”? 1 Corinthians 1:28-29 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: [29] That no flesh should glory in his presence.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

There is one time of resurrection for all, this takes place on the (Last Day) at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second) death resurrection has no power.

ummm, I don’t think so…

20 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the bottomless pitand a heavy chain in his hand. 2 He seized the dragon—that old serpent, who is the devil, Satan—and bound him in chains for a thousand years. 3 The angel threw him into the bottomless pit, which he then shut and locked so Satan could not deceive the nations anymore until the thousand years were finished. Afterward he must be released for a little while.

4 Then I saw thrones, and the people sitting on them had been given the authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony about Jesus and for proclaiming the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his statue, nor accepted his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They all came to life again, and they reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

5 This is the first resurrection. (The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years had ended.) 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. For them the second death holds no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You needed be apologetic (even though you said you weren’t!). My Grandparents were ‘dyed in the wool dispensationalists’ and I loved them like crazy.

So, you would see the Matt 13 ‘parable of the weeds’ as, most likely, speaking of the judgment at Christ’s return (not the Rapture) then? As in, when it speaks of allowing the weeds and the wheat to grow together, its just speaking of allowing the world to continue, people to keep being born etc. That it doesn’t mention the Rapture is neither here nor there? It’s just a general reference to God’s grace in allowing the world to continue.
And, when it IS time for Christ’s return, the wicked are judged first? A little like we’d see in Rev 19? The surviving righteous go on into the “kingdom” of the millennium?
Not trying to put words or thoughts in your mouth, just trying to see this how you would….

The Matt. 13 parable specifically is about the judgment to take place at Jesus return. It is the same as the sheep and goat in Matt. 25. It is for those to enter the kingdom and for th elost to go to the place of torment awaiting being cast into teh lake of fire 1,000 years later.

Mentioning th erapture is neither here nor there. the rapture is its own event that is not conditioned on anything nor tied to anything. The only reason why it is an end time event now is because we are living in the end times. Many dispensationalists in talking abou tthe rapture colloquially but erroneously refer to it as part 1 of Jesus return, which it is not.

The church is promised to be delivered from the wrath of the tribulation which is why the rapute has to be pre trib. We must undergo the bema seat judgment to have our works rewarded or burnt. Then after that we receive our crowns and white linen and we are seen in heaven in REv. 20 to be wed to Jesus in heaven prior to His return.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The main scripture used by supporters of the (Pre-Trib Rapture) is 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, this is nothing more than the (Second Coming) (Last Day) resurrection, not a (Pre-Trib Rapture), don't be deceived

1. Is a resurrection of the believer seen in 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, 100% Yes!

2. Does this resurrection take place on the (Last Day) as Jesus Christ taught below in John 6:39-40, 100% Yes!

3. Is the (Last Day) the time of final judgement as Jesus Christ taught in John 12:48 below, 100% Yes!

Many deny the truth of Gods words below, that are simple, clear, and very easy to understand.

(THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The (Last Day) Judgement

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.


(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

You posted all this garbage oin a different thread and I showed form Scripture why you are wrong there. You wrongly put scruptures together, you reinterpret scriupture without any authority or biblical warrant.

You were wron gon that thread and you are wrong today!

Revelation 20
King James Version

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

The two resurrections take place 1,000 years apart as SCripture says, not all your gobbledy gook you tried to make it say on the other thread.

You call ed it the church age, eternal time, one day, but you hasve completey failed to show biblically why we should not accept this thousand years of saints reigning with Jesus and resurrections separated by a literal 1,000 years. You just keep vomiting th esame pap over

 

[Oseas]

He clearly defines the Jews of that age as being the world. That age ended….

We know this because history declares it, even our calendar declares it.

Oh no, JESUS did not defined what you say He defined. What JESUS defined is different of your own defination by history. So, history according your argument contradicts JESUS. JESUS said: Luke 20:v.35-36:

35 But those who are considered WORTHY of taking part in the age TO COME and in the resurrection from the dead WILL neither marry nor be given in marriage,
36 and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection.

About the age to come - Revelation 11:v.14 to 18

14 The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon.

The Seventh Trumpet
15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdoms of this world are become
the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ - His Messiah -,
and he WILL reign for ever and ever.”

16 And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before GOD, fell on their faces and worshiped GOD, 17 saying:

“We give thanks to you, Lord GOD Almighty,
the One who is and who was, and art to come;
because you have taken your great power
and have begun to reign.
18 The nations were (WILL BE) angry,
and your wrath has come.
The time has come for Judging the dead,
and for rewarding your servants the prophets
and your people who revere your name,
both great and small—
and for destroying those who destroy the earth.” - This will fulfill LITERALLY from now on, day after day -

Revelation 5:v.9-10
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we WILL reign on the earth.

 

[Oseas]

Jesus spoke to the world. He created the universe (many worlds).
37 He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. [38] The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one,

John 18:20 KJV
[20] Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.

What is the world/worlds?
Hebrews 11:3 KJV
[3] Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Jesus spoke to the world. He created the universe (many worlds).

Amazing.

Reading the above replies to Naomi, it is seen that the spirit replied not for clarifying or even to correspond to the expectative of Naomi in to be understood by her words, quite the contrary, the spirit that was manifested tried to confound Naomi with desnecessary question and with evasive arguments, unfortunatelly. Then Naomi counterposes saying that "Jesus spoke to the world" , she meant JESUS spoke to the whole world according *Matthew 28:v.19, but again the spirit replied with evasise manifestation, whose answer was/is good for nothing.

JESUS said: Matthew 28:v.18-19
18 All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth;
*19 Go ye therefore, and teach ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the END of the world. (What world? The whole world of Devil in the Planet Earth as a whole. This is what Naomi meant. Is this "amazing" for you?)

Matthew 24:v.14
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in ALL the world for a witness unto ALL NATIONS; and then shall the end come.

John 12:v.46 to 50
46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. (JESUS came in the fourth Day, He is the greater Light, the Sun of righteousness-Genesis 1:v.16)

47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I Judge him not: for I came not to Judge the world, but to save the world.

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that Judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall Judge him in this last Day.

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

 

[Waiting on him]

Reading the above replies to Naomi, it is seen that the spirit replied not for clarifying or even to correspond to the expectative of Naomi in to be understood by her words, quite the contrary, the spirit that was manifested tried to confound Naomi with desnecessary question and with evasive arguments, unfortunatelly. Then Naomi counterposes saying that "Jesus spoke to the world" , she meant JESUS spoke to the whole world according *Matthew 28:v.19, but again the spirit replied with evasise manifestation, whose answer was/is good for nothing.

JESUS said: Matthew 28:v.18-19
18 All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth;
*19 Go ye therefore, and teach ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the END of the world. (What world? The whole world of Devil in the Planet Earth as a whole. This is what Naomi meant. Is this "amazing" for you?)

Matthew 24:v.14
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in ALL the world for a witness unto ALL NATIONS; and then shall the end come.

John 12:v.46 to 50
46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. (JESUS came in the fourth Day, He is the greater Light, the Sun of righteousness-Genesis 1:v.16)

47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I Judge him not: for I came not to Judge the world, but to save the world.

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that Judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall Judge him in this last Day.

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

The spirit believes either you have mold in your house, or you have way to much time on your hands.

Jesus in the scriptures quoted is speaking to Jews in the first century. What gives you the impression that the words are privately spoken to you?