'We' started or I did anyway, with later having to defend the meanings of Redemption and Deliverance as used by Paul in Romans and Isaiah, as having the same intended meaning. And then you attempt to bring in the Lord's prayer in the mix to say it has this same exact meaning. You must know contexts are quite different and therefore the meaning are also quite different..
'Deliver(ing) us from evil' is the ongoing battle within us and and from the world. We are always defended SPITUALLY against evil in our daily lives as believers. However I cannot count on my physical life deliverance though. It is God's will not mine.
Quite a different definition of deliverance would you not say in what Paul was referring to about paying for, with his death on the Cross. To thus release a nation of his ancestors from prison, bondage of the chains of darkness, as was for all the nations, to then enable all, their salvation as a nation and nations or peoples.
And now you bring up Rev 13... out of the blue. and then you think I'm hiding or running.....??? from what? It is mystifying.
As you must know, I made a comment because you were entertaining and trying to squeeze in the very same meaning of deliverance as used previously with its usage in the Lord's prayer. That was it. And I said stop kidding yourself....
So I ask you, what am I supposed to be running or hiding from? There must be something else that is bugging you..?
And you ask me "You think God don't rescue us or protect us from the coming death sentence that is too be passed upon all the dissenters to Babylon's ultimatum?"
If that is really your question to me, less your emotion outcry, my answer to you is, it is God's will, not mine to save my own physical life, as I already know I'm saved for the next life already! I will lay it down if I am told to do so. I believe this with all my heart.
As you know we cannot run away from physical death Bro..
Okay. First, my reference to Matthew 6:13 wasn't intended to suggest that 'deliver' from evil was an alternative rendering or understanding of either Isaiah or Paul's use of the word, but simply to point out that the same word can be used in different texts having different nuances each time, depending on the intention of the writer.
In Isaiah's case, the futurist position has Israel at the end of time being 'delivered' from the Antichrist, by their 'Redeemer'. This doesn't mean they have been redeemed twice, as Christ came once for all, to redeem the whole world. All are included, while not all accept the gift of redemption offered.
The 'deliver' aspect is more pertinent I believe with regards to the church in the last days, rather than to Israel, the nation. I'm not a futurist as are others here like Hidden and Marks. Not that I don't believe prophecy still has application to the future, but I believe, as I've mentioned several times before, the focus of prophecy for the last days is centered on God's people, who will be 'delivered' from the wrath of Satan who will incite the nations to violence, not against Israel, but against the church. Jesus, in Matthew 24:9 wasn't addressing the nation of Israel. He was talking to His church. "They shall deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you, and you shall be hated of all nations for My names sake". Previous to this, the nations and the 'ethnos' cultures, races, were at war with one another, which phenomenon we witness today. But times are changing. Rapidly. The world is coming together. Climate change, covid, ecumenism, financial crisis and the fear of war is bringing the world together, and Jesus says that all nations will eventually be united against Christians. The whole world in Revelation agrees with the death sentence against those who refuse the mark.
Yet Paul says, "all Israel will be saved". His prayer in Romans 10:1, that Israel might be saved, can only be through the same gospel Paul preaches to the Gentiles. "For Christ is the end (the goal) of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth." "There is no difference between Jew and Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon Him". While some had come, "not all have obeyed the gospel". "Hath God cast away His people? God forbid. Am I not saved, an Israelite of the tribe of Benjamin?"
"Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and I'm alone"..."there is a remnant". As to the rest of Romans 11 I believe Paul is saying, I will not give up on my people. God hasn't abandoned them. They, even more than the Gentiles, can be grafted back into the tree. And when the numbers are complete, when all those of the Gentiles and those of the nation of Israel have chosen to come to Christ, and everyone on earth have made their final decisions for or against Christ, but "that He might reconcile both Jew and Gentile unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby", then all Israel, that mysterious unity between Jew and Gentile that makes them children of the one same God in Christ, then all Israel shall be saved, for before that prayer in Romans 10:1 Paul explains in Romans 9 Paul who Israel truly is...the children of the promise, which includes Gentiles, "for through thee shall all the nations of the earth be blessed".
