HERESY?

[Wrangler]

I am sorry my friend,

I can not have a discussion with you. You can not see your own flaws

When you learn some humility come talk to me, I think we could have some good bible disussion.

Profound projecting in that there post.

It’s revealing how your replies consistently disregard my questions, then you state that I lack humility. Pot. Kettle. Meet.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Helloween should not christain touch .
As for christmas and passover or as some call it easter , We cannot mix in the pagan with the holy and expect to please GOD .
This is where we must really read our bibles .
GOD will not accept the pagan with the holy . So no christmas trees , no santa . Just keep it holy and pure .
Celebrate the BIRTH of CHRIST , but do so without the pagan . Celebrate and remember His ride into Jerusalem
and His crucifixtion and His ressurection , BUT MIX NOT the UNHOLY PAGAN into the celebration .
I will leave us with a reminder FROM GOD through a prophet .
HE said , IF ye wanna serve baal THEN GO DO SO , ONLY YOU LEAVE MY NAME OUT OF IT .
SO no more trees , no more santa , no more bunnies . Keep it HOLY and keep it pure .

“Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; And I hate every false way.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭119:128‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Psalm 119:128 Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; And I hate every false way. | King James Version (KJV) | Download The Bible App Now

 

[Marvelloustime]

“Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; And I hate every false way.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭119:128‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Psalm 119:128 Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; And I hate every false way. | King James Version (KJV) | Download The Bible App Now

Sorry, I forgot to delete the html text.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Yes even in pauls time there were troubles . But look at the leadership they had . IT actually corrected .
Today the most all the leaders do not correct and in fact lead us into a seriously bad direction .
This is what i always examine , What do the LEADERS of any church teach . Cause if leaders are misleading
the church has ZERO hope for growth and only ends in destruction .
The bible is not hard to understand . There are still lambs scattered who do teach good and right things
and do follow the pattern that was given them .
IF the leaders are not fully seasoned , then the church is in dire trouble .
The simple message is not what denomination is one , but WHAT JESUS are they following .
Denominations are what paul would say or call , Divisions of men .
For while one says i am of apollos or etc , are ye not yet carnal and think as men .
The very simple answer is , GET back into the bible , let men learn it very well and be very very grounded in the scrips
BEFORE they even set foot up to lead or guide a church . BUT they aint doing that .
Instead they go to seminaries who teach a blend of truth and mens doctrines . IT AINT WORKING .
We must , MUST I SAY , get back into those bibles and fast .

“Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; And I hate every false way.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭119:128‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Marvelloustime]

I would also refer the geneva , cept it has too many footnotes . Beware , however the newer versions .
As for russell nash his greek was bogus . He simply made it up to suit his own pre concieved ideals .
I notice that the much older bibles like KJV and GENEVA were very much the same and very accurate indeed .
As for some other translations , and i have read quite a few , i just cant recommned them . Though
i never accuse folks who read them of being from satan or condmened . I would just point them back to the KJV
for more accuracy .

“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭1:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Spencer calls them the gospel perverts.

 

[GodsGrace]

"In the Christian martyr-worship and saint-worship, which now spread with giant strides over the whole Christian world, we cannot possibly mistake the succession of the pagan worship of gods and heroes, with its noisy popular festivities. Augustine puts into the mouth of a heathen the question: "Wherefore must we forsake gods, which the Christians themselves worship with us?" He deplores the frequent revels and amusements at the tombs of the martyrs; though he thinks that allowance should be made for these weaknesses out of regard to the ancient custom.

Leo the Great speaks of Christians in Rome who first worshipped the rising sun, doing homage to the pagan Apollo, before repairing to the basilica of St. Peter. Theodoret defends the Christian practices at the graves of the martyrs by pointing to the pagan libations, propitiations, gods, and demigods. Since Hercules, Aesculapitis, Bacchus, the Dioscuri, and many other objects of pagan worship were mere deified men, the Christians, he thinks, cannot be blamed for honoring their martyrs—not making them gods but venerating them as witnesses and servants of the only, true God.

Chrysostom mourns over the theatrical customs, such as loud clapping in applause, which the Christians at Antioch and Constantinople brought with them into the church. In the Christmas festival, which from the fourth century spread from Rome over the entire church, the holy commemoration of the birth of the Redeemer is associated—to this day, even in Protestant lands—with the wanton merriments of the pagan Saturnalia.

And even in the celebration of Sunday, as it was introduced by Constantine, and still continues on the whole continent of Europe, the cultus of the old sun-god Apollo mingles, with the remembrance of the resurrection of Christ; and the widespread profanation of the Lord’s Day, especially on the continent of Europe, demonstrates the great influence which heathenism still exerts upon Roman and Greek Catholic, and even upon Protestant, Christendom."

We celebrate Christmas with the wanton merriments of the pagan Saturnalia?

I do believe it might have been difficult for the Gentiles to leave their former beliefs before they could really cling to Christianity...not all Gentiles, but some. We're all different. This reminds me of Hebrews 4:6 where Paul exhorts the Jews not to return to their former beliefs in the Law since it would make the death of Christ of no value.

As to Sunday....Sunday was being celebrated before Constantine.

And in Europe the cultus of the old sun-god Apollo does not mingle with the remembrance of the resurrection of Christ.
Is Schaff writing about today??

 

[bbyrd009]

if it helps any Jesus gave some of the highest praise to the Centurion pagan

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I did not say anything about that.
Yahweh God the Father, God Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth
Yeshua, Son of God, a full fledged God, Savior and Messiah
Holy Spirit, the unnamed full fledged God.

Three Gods united in accord....not one person.
But the bottom line is that a God walked this earth and was crucified for our sins.

Seeing as both the Father and the Holy Spirit are invisible, and they were one with Jesus, I do believe they are one person, with three parts. They are inseparable.

A human being is also a triune being. We have a mind and emotions inside a body. IOW, we have a spirit and heart or soul inside our body. Only the mind and heart made up our nature, and that is why they are what died with Christ and we now partake of the nature of Christ, (if we are a true Christian and born again) but our body must yet die to become immortal. But out body is not where sin dwells, only our nature. Our body is like a puppet that will deteriorate, whereas our mind and heart will keep growing better and better towards perfection.

What is scary is that most Christians are not born again. I wasn't for the first 30 years of going to Church. Demons don't care if you believe in Jesus, just as long as you are not dead to sin and, thus, remain his. As Spirit filled Christian's desires change immediately, and they have a passion to keep themselves pure. 1 John 3:3; 1 John 5:18.

Romans 6:
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

 

[Grailhunter]

Seeing as both the Father and the Holy Spirit are invisible, and they were one with Jesus, I do believe they are one person, with three parts.

A human being is also a triune being. We have a mind and emotions inside a body. IOW, we have a spirit and heart or soul inside our body. Only the mind and heart made up our nature, and that is why they are what died with Christ and we now partake of the nature of Christ, (if we are a true Christian and born again) but our body must yet die to become immortal. But out body is not where sin dwells, only our nature. Our body is like a puppet that will deteriorate, whereas our mind and heart will keep growing better and better towards perfection.

What is scary is that most Christians are not born again. I wasn't for the first 30 years of going to Church. Demons don't care if you believe in Jesus, just as long as you are not dead to sin and, thus, remain his. As Spirit filled Christian's desires change immediately, and they have a passion to keep themselves pure. 1 John 3:3; 1 John 5:18.

Romans 6:
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Granted the accord between Yahweh and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit is not well defined in the Bible.
If they can be one and have separate wills.
If they can be one and have separate authority.
If they can be one and have separate minds.
If they can be one and have separate locations.
If they can be one and they can pray to the other.
If they can be one and one can be the Father and one can be the Son.
If one can conceive the other.
if one can be well pleased with the other.
If they can be one and give something to the other
If one can ascend to the other.

If they can do all that and fit into your definition of one. I am with you.
On the other hand whatever that reality is, Christ explained it well, that that exact type of oneness will apply us and Christ and Yahweh. Hallelujah!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Granted the accord between Yahweh and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit is not well defined in the Bible.
If they can be one and have separate wills.
If they can be one and have separate authority.
If they can be one and have separate minds.
If they can be one and have separate locations.
If they can be one and they can pray to the other.
If they can be one and one can be the Father and one can be the Son.
If one can conceive the other.
if one can be well pleased with the other.
If they can be one and give something to the other
If one can ascend to the other.

If they can do all that and fit into your definition of one. I am with you.
On the other hand whatever that reality is, Christ explained it well, that that exact type of oneness will apply us and Christ and Yahweh. Hallelujah!

The Father and the Holy Spirit, both being Spirit are omnipresent. That was one glory that the Word emptied Himself of to become human and able to die.

Jesus was our example. We who are born again now have the same nature that Jesus had while on earth. That was His mission to prepare us to go to heaven.

 

[GodsGrace]

To the majority, Easter is a commercial occasion first, and a religious one second....if at all.
Like the trinity, there is no "Easter" in the Bible....not the word, nor the celebration. No one celebrated Easter until Christendom adopted it, like it did many other pagan celebrations. You can't make a pagan event into a Christian one by changing its name, and incorporating all the original traditions that went with it. God was there observing the originals....remember? If he hated them then, he hates them now, regardless of what you call them.

Gosh AJ...
What do you mean there is no Easter in the bible?
Call it Easter
Call it Pasqua
Call it Pasaq
Call it Passover

They all mean Easter!
It's the feast of the resurrection of Jesus.
Don't JWs celebrate the resurrection in bodily form of Jesus?

The only change Christianity made was to celebrate Passover on the same day all over the world, as in "communion", it's a communal feast.
Instead the Jewish religion celebrates Passover according to the moon and Nissan....Whatever Sunday it falls on...
as do the Orthodox Christians BTW.

Easter is in the bible
and
The Trinity is in the bible...some just don't see it.

And what do you really know about JW's? From hearsay? Do you judge on hearsay, or can you listen to both sides of an issue before you pass judgment? Would you like people to do that to you? Do you have first hand knowledge? I do....having been raised in Christendom, I know what they teach and I know where all their beliefs come from.....but the church did not teach me the truth about these things.

We do not shun anyone who has left our brotherhood unless they are guilty of some serious offense for which they are unrepentant. Pride prevents them from admitting their guilt and like the first humans will often blame someone else. Then like petulant children, they will then cry foul when they are disciplined.
We have a saying that 'green fruit, once it has become mature, does not go back to being green....it just goes rotten'.

We are told to....."remove the wicked one" (disfellowship them) from our brotherhood and this is exactly what we do with those who sin without repentance. No repentant person or one who simply stops associating is ever disfellowshipped....
1 Corinthians 5:9-13 is clear....
"I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people; 10 I did not at all mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the greedy and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to leave the world. 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is a sexually immoral person, or a greedy person, or an idolater, or is verbally abusive, or habitually drunk, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a person. 12 For what business of mine is it to judge outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13 But those who are outside, God judges. Remove the evil person from among yourselves." (NASB)

Unlike Christendom, we do not tolerate those who sin and think that God doesn't see.....nor do we impose "grace" where it clearly does not apply.

2 John 10-11 reinforces how we should respond to those who want to cause dissension or division....
" If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; 11 for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds." (NASB)

It is because Christendom does not follow through on these commands that they are rife with those who think God can be fooled by appearances, or that those who take the lead are not authorized to judge when a wrongdoer is guilty of serious sin.

No comment needed.
Anyone who reads the above and does not understand it, does so at his own risk.
We all sin.
We are helped by our brothers in Christ...not disfellowshipped by them.

2 Corinthians 2:5-10
5But if any has caused sorrow, he has caused sorrow not to me, but in some degree—in order not to say too much—to all of you.
6Sufficient for such a one is this punishment which was inflicted by the majority,
7so that on the contrary you should rather forgive and comfort him, otherwise such a one might be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow.
8Wherefore I urge you to reaffirm your love for him.
9For to this end also I wrote, so that I might put you to the test, whether you are obedient in all things.
10But one whom you forgive anything, I forgive also; for indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, I did it for your sakes in the presence of Christ,
11so that no advantage would be taken of us by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his schemes.

NO ONE SHOULD BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED AND LEFT TO THE WILES OF THE DEVIL.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Yes, it sounds like you believe we stop sinning at some point. I dislike debating this but will make the following points:

1. What does holy mean to you?
2. If we didn't sin, we wouldn't need an advocate with the Father.
3. Jesus said to confess our sins to each other and James reported this - I believe James heard Jesus say this.
4. If we forgive men, our Father will forgive us.
5. Sanctification is an ongoing process.
6. The sin nature is suppressed, not removed.

We are given the same nature that Jesus had while on earth, and what is called being born again. Any Christian who stuggles with sin has not been given the Holy Spirit and are not born again. That is a common malady and the cause of false teaching. By walking in the Spirit that He has given us, we keep ourselves pure. 1 John 3:3 and 1 John 5:18.

A Christian who still sins is a slave to sin. John 8:32-36

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Our Advocate cleanses the unknown sins we commit WHILE walking in the Spirit. 1 John 1:7
He is not our Advocate for willful sins of lawlessness. Those are sins unto death and our master is now the devil.

BTW, we are sanctified as soon as we are justified and filled with the Holy Spirit. That is past. Now the process is called glorification - Becoming like God - holy.

1 Peter 1:15-16
15 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.”

 

[amigo de christo]

if it helps any Jesus gave some of the highest praise to the Centurion pagan

The centurion was NOT PAGAN . HE BELIEVED IN GOD . HE KNEW . Yes he was gentile , but HE beleived IN GOD .
THERE Is no hope for false religions and mindsets . To be saved one must come to CHRIST JESUS . confess HIM by mouth .
NO other path saves . The centurion , KNEW WHO JESUS was . HE KNEW . NEVER forget that birdy .

 

[amigo de christo]

“Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; And I hate every false way.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭119:128‬ ‭KJV‬‬

YEP . LOVE EVERY WORD OF GOD and HATE ANY WORD that is contrary to HIS WORDS . Let no man take thy crown .
False prophets are crown takers to all who beleive them . BIBLE TIME . BIBLE TIME .
I know that is not what most folks want to hear , but BIBLE TIME I say to one and i say to all . GET IN THAT BIBLE.
March on sister . Get the battery charged , cause our work is far from done . And marvel not if they hate us .
Lord willing i will have a LOUD note ready on the trumpet . The TRUTH must be sounded out .

 

[GodsGrace]

We are given the same nature that Jesus had while on earth, and what is called being born again. Any Christian who stuggles with sin has not been given the Holy Spirit and are not born again. That is a common malady and the cause of false teaching. By walking in the Spirit that He has given us, we keep ourselves pure. 1 John 3:3 and 1 John 5:18.

A Christian who still sins is a slave to sin. John 8:32-36

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Our Advocate cleanses the unknown sins we commit WHILE walking in the Spirit. 1 John 1:7
He is not our Advocate for willful sins of lawlessness. Those are sins unto death and our master is now the devil.

BTW, we are sanctified as soon as we are justified and filled with the Holy Spirit. That is past. Now the process is called glorification - Becoming like God - holy.

1 Peter 1:15-16
15 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.”

You didn't reply to my questions.

We are given the same NATURE that Jesus had while on earth.
Where is this stated?
You mean we're all little jesus' ?

If we sin and it means we are not born again...
that means:
NO ONE IS BORN AGAIN.

I guess you must think that both Jesus and John are lying to us.
Do I need to repeat the verse again?

A person that still sins is NOT a slave to sin.
A person is a slave to the one to whom he presents himself.
Romans 6:16

You sin and don't even know it?
Like what, for instance?

Jesus didn't say those who struggle with sin are not going to heaven...
He said THE LAWLESS are not going to heaven.
Matthew 7:23

He said we are to ask forgiveness for our sins...
Matthew 6:12

He said the Apostles were to forgive the sins of any...
John 20:23

I asked what HOLY means...
Could you reply to that at least?

 

[GodsGrace]

We are given the same nature that Jesus had while on earth, and what is called being born again. Any Christian who stuggles with sin has not been given the Holy Spirit and are not born again. That is a common malady and the cause of false teaching. By walking in the Spirit that He has given us, we keep ourselves pure. 1 John 3:3 and 1 John 5:18.

A Christian who still sins is a slave to sin. John 8:32-36

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Our Advocate cleanses the unknown sins we commit WHILE walking in the Spirit. 1 John 1:7
He is not our Advocate for willful sins of lawlessness. Those are sins unto death and our master is now the devil.

BTW, we are sanctified as soon as we are justified and filled with the Holy Spirit. That is past. Now the process is called glorification - Becoming like God - holy.

1 Peter 1:15-16
15 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.”

P.S.
I wanted to say that 1 John 5:18 and 1 John 3:4 are the same in intent.
It refers to persons PRACTICING sin.....
If this were not so, then John is lying everywhere else.

This pulling out of one verse is really harming Christianity.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You didn't reply to my questions.

We are given the same NATURE that Jesus had while on earth.
Where is this stated?
You mean we're all little jesus' ?

If we sin and it means we are not born again...
that means:
NO ONE IS BORN AGAIN.

I guess you must think that both Jesus and John are lying to us.
Do I need to repeat the verse again?

A person that still sins is NOT a slave to sin.
A person is a slave to the one to whom he presents himself.
Romans 6:16

You sin and don't even know it?
Like what, for instance?

Jesus didn't say those who struggle with sin are not going to heaven...
He said THE LAWLESS are not going to heaven.
Matthew 7:23

He said we are to ask forgiveness for our sins...
Matthew 6:12

He said the Apostles were to forgive the sins of any...
John 20:23

I asked what HOLY means...
Could you reply to that at least?

In a person, holy means pure.

The reason why some Christians struggle with sin, meaning they desire to sin, is because they are still in the flesh, meaning carnal nature and has nothing to do with our bodies as some think. Oy vey! Romans 8:9 says we are NOT IN THE FLESH but in the Spirit if the Spirit of God indwells us. And if we do not have the Spirit of Christ we do not belong to him. So you see it can't be about being out of our body or after we die.

Yes, the sin Jesus takes away from our nature is lawlessness. So to commit lawlessness is committing a sin unto death, and Jesus is not our Advocate. But you see at the end of 1 John 1:7, that is where Jesus is our Advocate, but first we must show that we living in reconciliation with the brethren. IOW, forgive those who trespass against us. The our own unintentional sins will be forgiven. Unintentional sins are sins, but not a sin unto death, but called a sin not unto death; 1 John 5:16-17.

You'll know if you have been baptized with the Holy Spirit or not, because you won't want to do anything wrong. You've been given a super-sensitized conscience where the laws of God are written. Just knowing the laws and trying to keep them with a carnal nature in opposition to the laws of God is not enough even if you know about Jesus. Even Satan knows about Jesus, but doesn't follow Him. A sinner is not following Jesus. And John 8:32-36 shows that those who sin are a slave to sin, and you are correct, lawlessness. The context of 1 John 3:5 is 1 John 3:4 - "sin is lawlessness."

A sin not unto death is from immature fruit of the Spirit, not against the laws of God. The steps to glorification (that you call sanctification but entirely different) has to do with the fruit of the Spirit and found in 2 Peter 1:5-7 (but read in context 2-11). Let me know if there are any other questions you had that I didn't cover.

 

[Cassandra]

What do you mean there is no Easter in the bible?
Call it Easter
Call it Pasqua
Call it Pasaq
Call it Passover

They all mean Easter!
It's the feast of the resurrection of Jesus.

Passover is a memorial of His death. He nowhere told us to memorialize His resurrection, but we are to remember his death by Communion.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

P.S.
I wanted to say that 1 John 5:18 and 1 John 3:4 are the same in intent.
It refers to persons PRACTICING sin.....
If this were not so, then John is lying everywhere else.

This pulling out of one verse is really harming Christianity.

No, it is not adding the word practice, but is referring only to sins unto death - lawlessness. A Christian does not commit murder even once; it has nothing to do with not "practicing" murder! The erroneous doctrine came from not understanding the two types of sins.

Sins unto death - lawlessness
Sins not unto death - trespasses unwittingly committed.

This is why in the Lord's Prayer, the sins a Christian asks forgiveness for are trespasses, and are only forgiven IF we forgive others their trespasses against us. It is not only commanded, it is expected that we live a pure life full of love and reconciliation.

1 John 1:7
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

1 Peter 1:15-16
15 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.”

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Passover is a memorial of His death. He nowhere told us to memorialize His resurrection, but we are to remember his death by Communion.

That is because we are not under laws. Even communion is "as oft as you do this." It is not on a specific day. We are free to honor Him as often as we like, just like Christmas is stealing a pagan holiday away from Satan and honoring Christ, so is Easter and even worshiping on Sunday instead of Saturday honoring to Jesus, but NOT A LAW. For the letter of the law kills, but the Spirit gives life.