The COVID death protocol - no early treatment

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Curtis

Well-Known Member
Apr 6, 2021
3,268
1,574
113
70
KC
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
And did you verify all these claims or are you just taking them as infallible ex-cathedra statements. They make lots of c"scientific claims" but I saw no peer reviewed approval, no charts, graphs, reports of actual numbers. they just extrapolate from a 1% and conclude the numbers are 100X higher- this is not science but conspiracy theory at its worst.
The documentation you obviously did not look at, says this in just the first paragraph:

VAERS data from the American CDC shows that as of September 17, 2021, already 726,963 people suffered adverse events, including stroke, heart failure, blood clots, brain disorders, convulsions, seizures, inflammations of brain & spinal cord, life-threatening allergic reactions, autoimmune diseases, arthritis, miscarriage, infertility, rapid-onset muscle weakness, deafness, blindness, narcolepsy, and cataplexy. Besides the astronomical number of severe side effects, the CDC reports that 15,386 people died as a result of receiving the experimental injections. However, a CDC healthcare fraud detection expert named Jane Doe investigated this and came to the shocking discovery that the number of deaths is at least five times higher than what the CDC is admitting. In fact, in her initial communications to professor in medicine Dr. Peter McCullough, this whistleblower said that the number of deaths is ten times higher. The CDC health fraud detection expert signed an affidavit, in which she stated her findings. She carefully chose the wordings '...under-reported by a conservative factor of at least five', but as she revealed initially, the factor could also be ten. Here is an excerpt of the affidavit: 1
 
  • Like
Reactions: TLHKAJ

Ronald Nolette

Well-Known Member
Aug 24, 2020
12,762
3,787
113
69
South Carolina
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I agree with much more likely to prevent severe covid disease if taken early, but the improvement in advanced covid is not shabby at all.
The Scotfree | Hospitals Choosing Death Over Ivermectin

A published medical 2021 study of patients hospitalized with confirmed severe acute COVID respiratory syndrome at a four-hospital consortium in South Florida. There were 280 patients with 173 treated with IVM and 107 in the usual care group. There were lower mortality rates in the group treated with IVM as compared with the group treated with usual care: 15.0% vs 25.2%, respectively, a big reduction in deaths. Mortality was even lower for a subgroup of patients with severe pulmonary involvement (what most court cases are): 38.8% vs. 80.7% for IVM and usual care, respectively, a very significant result. The study said: “We showed that ivermectin administration was associated significantly with lower mortality among patients with COVID-19, particularly in patients with more severe pulmonary involvement.”

A recent medical research article presented very positive information on successful use of IVM. It concluded “large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease.”

Well reading the study and linking to other studies they cited, you failed to mention that they were also being treated with other dreugs and that they concluded further testing was needed. further testing was done (this one was april of 2020) and the broad conclusions was that ivermectin wasn't the wonder drug they thought it would be.
 

Ronald Nolette

Well-Known Member
Aug 24, 2020
12,762
3,787
113
69
South Carolina
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
No. This is not about personal revenge but public executions. Note what the New Testament prescribes for evildoers: For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. (Rom 13:3,4)

Irrefutable Evidence: The COVID-19 Vaccines Are Killing People!
Irrefutable Evidence: The COVID-19 Vaccines Are Killing People!

Alex Jones?" Really???? first you cannot click onto anything to get info on the page covering headline, and second Alex JOnes is a whack job! Even the most fringe conservatives have disavowed him for his conspiracy theories based on half truths and just anecdotal evidence.

why don't you let God take care of the vengeance? So, the governments, even though in the hands of teh evil one, are still under the control of God and do his bidding against evil doers. Unless of course you think God impotent and can't stop the whole world from intentionally killing people with the shot, which you have failed to prove.

BTW, I am still waiting for you to back up you r false accusation that I am advocating for the devil! Got asny evidence or scripture to back it up or are you going to keep ignoring my request to have integrity.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cassandra

Cristo Rei

Well-Known Member
Apr 30, 2020
6,156
5,558
113
46
In Christ
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
Alex Jones?" Really???? first you cannot click onto anything to get info on the page covering headline, and second Alex JOnes is a whack job! Even the most fringe conservatives have disavowed him for his conspiracy theories based on half truths and just anecdotal evidence.

why don't you let God take care of the vengeance? So, the governments, even though in the hands of teh evil one, are still under the control of God and do his bidding against evil doers. Unless of course you think God impotent and can't stop the whole world from intentionally killing people with the shot, which you have failed to prove.

BTW, I am still waiting for you to back up you r false accusation that I am advocating for the devil! Got asny evidence or scripture to back it up or are you going to keep ignoring my request to have integrity.

Iv asked you this twice and both time you have ignored me so im trying a third time...

The head of the WHO, Tedros, admits that countries are using boosters to kill children...
I posted the video several times now. You surely saw it. Are you going to address it or ignore it again???
 
  • Like
Reactions: TLHKAJ

Cristo Rei

Well-Known Member
Apr 30, 2020
6,156
5,558
113
46
In Christ
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
@Ronald Nolette

You are turning a blind eye to human and child sacrifice...


Did you always lack morality or have you lost it in the last two years like many others?
 
  • Like
Reactions: TLHKAJ

Ronald Nolette

Well-Known Member
Aug 24, 2020
12,762
3,787
113
69
South Carolina
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Quote:
Corticosteroids are hormones that are naturally produced from the adrenal cortex and are involved in a variety of physiological processes, such as inflammatory regulation, stress, and immunological response, protein, and carbohydrate metabolism. As a result, corticosteroids are critical in the management of autoimmune, allergic, malignant, and many inflammatory disorders [1].

In COVID-19-related severe acute respiratory syndrome, viral escape of cellular immune response and the cytokine storm is important in pathophysiology and clinical consequences. Dysregulation of cytokine and invasion of inflammatory myeloid cells results in lung inflammation and severe sequelae, such as acute respiratory distress syndrome, respiratory failure, sepsis, multi-organ failure, and death [2]. Corticosteroids have significant anti-inflammatory and anti-fibrotic effects, which may play a role in reducing pulmonary inflammation, especially in severe pneumonia and in advanced stages of COVID-19 disease [3]

Yes, corticosteroids do have a very powerful anti-inflammatory effect. I get shots for my arthritic knees, shoulders and hip. But these are not viral inflammations. And bacterial pneumonia responds to steroids to increase healing when used with antibiotics. All ivermectin studies and clinical trials were halted due to the conclusion they were ineffective in the long run! Early trials were very promising those were 20-18 months ago. But further researched showed that what they have known . Steroids work on environmental inflammation (allergies etc.) and immuno-suppressed inflammation (arthritis etc.) But viral inflammation is a whole different ball game. they still have no answer to why the steroids worked on some but not others and as the trials increased in number, those numbers kept going down. 300 patients is a good phase one clinical trial, but any conclusions need to go to further phase on or phase two trials.

But let me ask you this. Why are you so ready to hoorah trials with 300 patients, but reject and call evil the fact that now that America has over 200,000,000 "vaccinated", and the results show that the vaccinated suffer significant less severe covid, less hospitalizations and less death than the unvaccinated? This is the largest clinical trial ever performed and there is reams of data to show it?

Since the cytokine storm is what kills the COVID patient, corticosteroids, which reduce cytokines, is obviously an important treatment:

that is incorrect. the cytokine storm causes the massive inflammation and death is the result of Acute respiratory failure or embolisms that develop.

Here’s a COVID patient and the successful treatment that included corticosteroids, which brought his 02 level back to normal:

His WBC count was slightly raised with lymphopenia and high C-reactive protein (CRP). He was given IV antibiotics (meropenem, cefepime, and moxifloxacin) with IV steroid therapy (low-dose dexamethasone 6 mg once a day). On day 2 after admission, he was given IV remdesivir once a day for five days. His D-dimer level was also increased, and he was given subcutaneous enoxaparin 0.4cc once a day for seven days. During the hospital stay, he suffered from hemoptysis and apathy. However, after receiving treatment for 10 days, his shortness of breath improved. His oxygen saturation returned to around 92-93% without oxygen therapy, and IV steroid was changed to oral medication with a tapering dose. The inflammatory parameters CRP and erythrocyte sedimentation rate (ESR) returned to the normal range after 14 days of treatment, and he was discharged on day 17. Repeated CXR was done on day 30 at the follow-up visit and witnessed complete radiographic resolution of lung opacities (Figure (Figure22).

Source: The Role of Steroids in the Management of COVID-19 Infection


As you can see, corticosteroids work for any inflammatory lung problem that involves the infamous cytokine storm, including COVID - just as I said previously.

One patient does not a study or absolute therapy. (If you read the study, you would find this guy was treated with a whole batch of medications. So at best one can conclude that corticosteroids along with one or more of the therapeutics given to this guy may have played a role in helping this ONE patient. If this showed thousands, I would agree with you and case closed!

And yes they treat bacterial pneumonia with steroids, but not viral. I know I had it twice and not once was I given steroids until after the virus passed and it helped in my post recovery of the after damage caused by the virus. If steroids were that effectrive for viral pulmonary inflammation, then why is it not a normal regimen for other viruses tha tproduce cutokine storms in the lungs (though to a smaller degree) like Sars covid-1 and influenza which causes inflammation in the lungs?
 

Ronald Nolette

Well-Known Member
Aug 24, 2020
12,762
3,787
113
69
South Carolina
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
CDC: 75 Percent Of Those Infected with Covid In Massachusetts Were Vaccinated
That is all the proof you need to know the covid vaxx mandate is useless. Time to stop forcing people to choose between a job and a vaccine. CDC clearly says the vaxxed are spreading covid to other vaxxed people. So then a pandemic of the vaccinated!

CDC: 75% Of Those Infected With Covid In Massachusetts Are Vaccinated (moguldom.com)

And? even higher %ages of vaccinated are getting the omicron variant! Biden, the who, Wallensky , and Faux-ci, all said vaccinations would stop covid infections, but the pharmeceutical companies never said that. They said it would reduce the number of infections in the severely compromised groups and reduce the number of hospitalizations and death which the shots have done! This virus is far more transmissible than any other virus to circulate, so that is not the issue. Stopping it from causing people to get severely ill or dying is th eissue! And that we now have mountains of empirical real world data proving that true! Flu shots help in preventing the flu, but its real benefit is keeping you from getting real ill if you get teh flu and that it does as advertised in the numbers it is advertised!

And once again in case all you who think I am in leaguew with the devil have missed the myriad of other times I postd this:

1. I am against mandatory vaccinations
2. One should consult their physiucan first and or pharmacist.
3. governments have been incompetent in this.
4. They rushed out the shots because the phase one trials were extremely promising .
5. Yes there have been many negative effects. these are usually worked out in the animal trials or early human trials; in the 8-10 years it normally takes. So, this is a fix it as you go thing. As rotten as government can be, I believe the medical world looked at the available data and saw that teh risk/benefit ratio in rushing out these "vaccines" outweighed the known hazards of Covd-2.

all the evidence to try to say IO am wrong has been based on near 18 month early trials, one or two people having recovery, which they conclude without other trials and blind and double blind research and using multiple drugs in the patient that the big three, HCQ, Ivermectin or remdesivir were the heroes. That is not even bad science, it is not science at all.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cassandra

Ronald Nolette

Well-Known Member
Aug 24, 2020
12,762
3,787
113
69
South Carolina
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
The documentation you obviously did not look at, says this in just the first paragraph:

VAERS data from the American CDC shows that as of September 17, 2021, already 726,963 people suffered adverse events, including stroke, heart failure, blood clots, brain disorders, convulsions, seizures, inflammations of brain & spinal cord, life-threatening allergic reactions, autoimmune diseases, arthritis, miscarriage, infertility, rapid-onset muscle weakness, deafness, blindness, narcolepsy, and cataplexy. Besides the astronomical number of severe side effects, the CDC reports that 15,386 people died as a result of receiving the experimental injections. However, a CDC healthcare fraud detection expert named Jane Doe investigated this and came to the shocking discovery that the number of deaths is at least five times higher than what the CDC is admitting. In fact, in her initial communications to professor in medicine Dr. Peter McCullough, this whistleblower said that the number of deaths is ten times higher. The CDC health fraud detection expert signed an affidavit, in which she stated her findings. She carefully chose the wordings '...under-reported by a conservative factor of at least five', but as she revealed initially, the factor could also be ten. Here is an excerpt of the affidavit: 1

If you could supply me th elink to this whistle blower I would like to see how she reported this.

But:
VAERS Summary for COVID-19 Vaccines through 12/17/2021 – VAERS Analysis

This goes into deep analysis.

what you fail to mention in you rf 727,000 number that an adverse reaction is reported when one has simple soreness at the injection site, slight dizziness shortly after injection, mild flu like symptoms and other mild discomforts which are fairly common in most shots and vaccines.

But as of december 2021, using just US data alone- there were 22,000 life threatening events and deaths due to the shots. People say these are vastly underreported but as of yet no real empirical data has been presented supporting this. Lots of charges, claims and vague references, but no real paper trail. so out of 400,000,000 doses administered in the US the odds of having death or a life threatening event is: .000055%.

The odds of having any reaction (all reactions are labelled adverse) 701,000 in US reported since Dec. 2020 is: .0017%

Now this shot is less safe than all other shots as the charts show, but as this drug is treating a more virulent and transmissable disease and released before they could correct most of the problems in the multi clinical trials a drug normally goes through- those odds are not bad for a society as a whole to deal with! Of course to an individual family who suffers any of the bad stuff, these %ages mean little to nothing.
 

Cristo Rei

Well-Known Member
Apr 30, 2020
6,156
5,558
113
46
In Christ
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
I smell a skunk....

Me too... Ive asked him to address this statement 3 times now and his ignored it each time...

"Some countries are using boosters to kill children which is not right"


I can't get over this statement of intent but many people are either justifying or ignoring this evil
Their sacrificing children in the hope they will live longer on earth... Sound familiar... OT
 
  • Like
Reactions: amadeus and TLHKAJ

TLHKAJ

Well-Known Member
Sep 12, 2020
7,127
8,675
113
US
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
I can't get over this statement of intent but many people are either justifying or ignoring this evil
Their sacrificing children in the hope they will live longer on earth... Sound familiar... OT
Yes ....child sacrifice is in the open now, more than ever. And it's being accepted by the masses.
 
  • Like
Reactions: amadeus

Curtis

Well-Known Member
Apr 6, 2021
3,268
1,574
113
70
KC
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
If you could supply me th elink to this whistle blower I would like to see how she reported this.

But:
VAERS Summary for COVID-19 Vaccines through 12/17/2021 – VAERS Analysis

This goes into deep analysis.

what you fail to mention in you rf 727,000 number that an adverse reaction is reported when one has simple soreness at the injection site, slight dizziness shortly after injection, mild flu like symptoms and other mild discomforts which are fairly common in most shots and vaccines.

But as of december 2021, using just US data alone- there were 22,000 life threatening events and deaths due to the shots. People say these are vastly underreported but as of yet no real empirical data has been presented supporting this. Lots of charges, claims and vague references, but no real paper trail. so out of 400,000,000 doses administered in the US the odds of having death or a life threatening event is: .000055%.

The odds of having any reaction (all reactions are labelled adverse) 701,000 in US reported since Dec. 2020 is: .0017%

Now this shot is less safe than all other shots as the charts show, but as this drug is treating a more virulent and transmissable disease and released before they could correct most of the problems in the multi clinical trials a drug normally goes through- those odds are not bad for a society as a whole to deal with! Of course to an individual family who suffers any of the bad stuff, these %ages mean little to nothing.
Everything in the report I posted on that report is properly footnoted, had you bothered to read it, there’s five pages of footnotes documenting the source.

The whole report is very inconvenient for your defense of the globalist bought and paid for media, and medical establishment.

Some excerpts:

VAERS data from the American CDC shows that as of September 17, 2021, already 726,963 people suffered adverse events, including stroke, heart failure, blood clots, brain disorders, convulsions, seizures, inflammations of brain & spinal cord, life-threatening allergic reactions, autoimmune diseases, arthritis, miscarriage, infertility, rapid-onset muscle weakness, deafness, blindness, narcolepsy, and cataplexy. Besides the astronomical number of severe side effects, the CDC reports that 15,386 people died as a result of receiving the experimental injections. However, a CDC healthcare fraud detection expert named Jane Doe investigated this and came to the shocking discovery that the number of deaths is at least five times higher than what the CDC is admitting. In fact, in her initial communications to professor in medicine Dr. Peter McCullough, this whistleblower said that the number of deaths is ten times higher. The CDC health fraud detection expert signed an affidavit, in which she stated her findings. She carefully chose the wordings '...under-reported by a conservative factor of at least five', but as she revealed initially, the factor could also be ten. Here is an excerpt of the affidavit: 1

300,000 ADVERSE EVENTS
MODERNA HIDES HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF REPORTS
A whistleblower from Moderna made a screenshot of an internal company notice labelled “Confidential - For internal distribution only”, showing there were 300,000 adverse events reported in only three months:
'This enabled the team to effectively manage approximately 300,000 adverse event reports and 30,000 medical information requests in a three month span to support the global launch of their COVID-19 vaccine.' 8

50,000 MEDICARE VACCINATED DIED
U.S. DEATH RATE PROBABLY NEAR 250,000
Attorney Thomas Renz received information from a whistleblower inside the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Service (CMS), which reveals how 48,465 people died shortly after receiving their injections. He emphasized that these death numbers are from only 18% of the U.S. population.9 If we apply this to the entire U.S. population, that would mean a death rate of ± 250,000. Other factors also play a role of course, such as the age of the Medicare patients, and the younger members of the American people, so we can't simply extrapolate this to the entire U.S. population. But we do see that something extremely serious is going on.


250,000 VACCINE COMMENTS
FACEBOOK REVEALS TSUNAMI OF ADVERSE EVENTS
A local ABC News Station posted a request on Facebook for people to share their stories of unvaccinated loved ones that died. They wanted to make a news story on this. What happened was totally unexpected. In five days time over 250,000 people posted comments, but not about unvaccinated loved ones. All the comments talk about vaccinated loved ones that died shortly after being injected, or that are disabled for life. The 250,000 comments reveal a shocking death wave among the population, and the heart wrenching suffering these injections are causing. The post was already shared 200,000 times, and counting... 11

As the report summarizes about the lies, fraud, and deception:

All this is based on worldwide fraud of inflating covid numbers, relabeling every death as covid, a PCR test that produces false positives, media scare mongering, and government propaganda. The criminal network who is behind all this, has been buying the entire health industry, they direct the World Health Organization, they own all mainstream media, and control most governments. They suppress every treatment for covid, so the world would think a vaccine is the only way out.

Source: https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/downloads/en/vaccines/vaccinereport.pdf
 
  • Like
Reactions: TLHKAJ and Enoch111

Enoch111

Well-Known Member
May 27, 2018
17,688
15,997
113
Alberta
Faith
Christian
Country
Canada
BTW, I am still waiting for you to back up your false accusation that I am advocating for the devil! Got any evidence or scripture to back it up or are you going to keep ignoring my request to have integrity.
Here is a very brief explanation for why you are advocating for the devil.

1. Jesus said that the devil is a liar and the Father of Lies (John 8:44). Now absolutely everything published or voiced by (1) China and WHO, (3) the Western governments, (3) the public health services, (4) Anthony Fauci and his gang of "experts", (5) the mainstream media, and (6) the medical "establishment" regarding the COVID Scamdemic have been lies. There is more than enough documentation to prove it, therefore I will not list it.

2. Jesus said that the devil was a murderer from the beginning (John 8:44) The deliberate sabotage of HCQ and ivermectin resulted in the medical murder of at least 500,000 people with coronavirus in the USA alone. On top of that there are already about 200,000 vaccine deaths in the USA (when adjusted for under-reporting by VAERS). And on top of that there are millions of deaths worldwide (see the Vaccine Death Report). This too was medical murder.

3.
Jesus said that the thief Satan's agenda was to (a) steal, (b) kill, and (c) destroy (John 10:10). The billions of dollars given to pharmaceutical companies for killer "vaccines" was theft. The medical murders are already mentioned. And the extremely dangerous adverse effects have destroyed (and are destroying) millions of lives. There is ample documentation for all of this.

In view of these FACTS, any Christian supporting the globalist agenda of the COVID conspirators (a part of the Great Reset and the NWO) is indeed the devil's advocate. Just as the apostle John said that those who bid Godspeed to those who reject the doctrine of Christ are partakers of their evil deeds (2 John 1:11). anyone who supports the liars, thieves and murderers involved with COVID machinations is also a partaker of their evil deeds.
 
Last edited:

Cristo Rei

Well-Known Member
Apr 30, 2020
6,156
5,558
113
46
In Christ
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
Here is a very brief explanation for why you are advocating for the devil.

1. Jesus said that the devil is a liar and the Father of Lies (John 8:44). Now absolutely everything published or voiced by (1) China and WHO, (3) the Western governments, (3) the public health services, (4) Anthony Fauci and his gang of "experts", (5) the mainstream media, and (6) the medical "establishment" regarding the COVID Scamdemic have been lies. There is more than enough documentation to prove it, therefore I will not list it.

2. Jesus said that the devil was a murderer from the beginning (John 8:44) The deliberate sabotage of HCQ and ivermectin resulted in the medical murder of at least 500,000 people with coronavirus in the USA alone. On top of that there are already about 200,000 vaccine deaths in the USA (when adjusted for under-reporting by VAERS). And on top of that there are millions of deaths worldwide (see the Vaccine Death Report). This too was medical murder.

3.
Jesus said that the thief Satan's agenda was to (a) steal, (b) kill, and (3) destroy (John 10:10). The billions of dollars given to pharmaceutical companies for killer "vaccines" was theft. The medical murders are already mentioned. And the extremely dangerous adverse effects have destroyed (and are destroying) millions of lives. There is ample documentation for all of this.

In view of these FACTS, any Christian supporting the globalist agenda of the COVID conspirators (a part of the Great Reset and the NWO) is indeed the devil's advocate. Just as the apostle John said that those who bid Godspeed to those who reject the doctrine of Christ are partakers of their evil deeds (2 John 1:11). anyone who supports the liars, thieves and murderers involved with COVID machinations is also a partaker of their evil deeds.

If you don't mind i will add some more to your list

4. Censorship... Everyone knowns that censorship has always been used by the bad guys; fascists, dictators, communists, authoritarians

5. The use of criminal acts to force syringes; bribery, blackmail, extortion, ransom, threats, coercion and such... All Satans tools

6. The sacrifice of peoples lives due to these shots... God does not encourage human sacrifice

7. The discrimination of the unvaxed

8. The destruction of our God given rights

9. The use of fear and division... Satans tools

10. The constant lies... Satan is the father of lies... (oops, a repeat of number 1 but i'll keep it there cos its probably the most obvious)
 
  • Like
Reactions: TLHKAJ and Enoch111

Cristo Rei

Well-Known Member
Apr 30, 2020
6,156
5,558
113
46
In Christ
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
Ok, so we've heard of the early treatments being suppressed like HDQ and ivermectin.
But there is another one that rarely gets mentioned, monoclonal antibodies

bandicam 2022-01-01 21-56-40-621.jpg
 
  • Like
Reactions: TLHKAJ

Ronald Nolette

Well-Known Member
Aug 24, 2020
12,762
3,787
113
69
South Carolina
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Everything in the report I posted on that report is properly footnoted, had you bothered to read it, there’s five pages of footnotes documenting the source.

The whole report is very inconvenient for your defense of the globalist bought and paid for media, and medical establishment.

Well as I am not trying to defend the globalists or their media- you charge is empty.

Well when I get a week to track down all teh footnotes I will. but answer honestly- did you look through all five pages of footnotes? this is an old ploy of Alinskyites- post extreme lengthy reportsd with reams of footnotes. Especially in a forum where we are trying to be succinct.
VAERS data from the American CDC shows that as of September 17, 2021, already 726,963 people suffered adverse events, including stroke, heart failure, blood clots, brain disorders, convulsions, seizures, inflammations of brain & spinal cord, life-threatening allergic reactions, autoimmune diseases, arthritis, miscarriage, infertility, rapid-onset muscle weakness, deafness, blindness, narcolepsy, and cataplexy. Besides the astronomical number of severe side effects, the CDC reports that 15,386 people died as a result of receiving the experimental injections. However, a CDC healthcare fraud detection expert named Jane Doe investigated this and came to the shocking discovery that the number of deaths is at least five times higher than what the CDC is admitting. In fact, in her initial communications to professor in medicine Dr. Peter McCullough, this whistleblower said that the number of deaths is ten times higher. The CDC health fraud detection expert signed an affidavit, in which she stated her findings. She carefully chose the wordings '...under-reported by a conservative factor of at least five', but as she revealed initially, the factor could also be ten. Here is an excerpt of the affidavit: 1

Like many of the conspiracy theory websites footnoted on your report, you are very selective in listing adverse or serious reactions and how Vaers defines serious reaction. Soreness at the injection site is a serious reaction and is the most common serious reaction. Over 90% ov teh adverse reaction fade on their own and required a simply visit to a PCP. No one is arguing there have been more very serious reactions and ndeaths due to these shots.

but if you would learn the VAERS site and what the data means MAYBE you wouldn't be so hysterical. The numbers found on VAERS are simply teh raw data posted as reported. It is uninvestigated and undiagnosed at time of reporting. a significant number are removed as further medical information is reported and the injection is found to have no to a minor causal for what happened. (People do die and get very well after getting a shot and it is not related to the shot at all)

I am still waiting for the info from the CDC whistleblower. She uses an anonymous name, make vague charges and to date not one page of data she studied has been presented by you!

By the way I read a dozen footnotes. Most are antvax sites and list either raw unfiltered datas or just re-reprot numbers others have reported without showing the data.

Once again teh Euro equivalernt of Vaers on their site reports the initial data as it comes in . As investigations take place, just like in america, teh numbers go down as other factors are found that would be the greater causal factor or many of these events. This is not to say the injections have not caused lots of problems!

Once again it was determined that after 100,000 human trials by pfizer (which is far more than any of the trials reported by the anti vaxxers to support their hypotheses), it was determined by medical boards to present it for EUA and teh en approval as the risk ration benefit was tilted heavilyh in favor of benefit.
 

Cristo Rei

Well-Known Member
Apr 30, 2020
6,156
5,558
113
46
In Christ
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
Ronald you are wilfully ignoring child sacrifice...
Iv shown u 3 times and u keep ignoring the truth... Refusing to address the reality while still pushing toxic drugs...

These people are so heartless they don't care if children die... They took the risk and took the shot now they want everyone else to do the same
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: TLHKAJ

Ronald Nolette

Well-Known Member
Aug 24, 2020
12,762
3,787
113
69
South Carolina
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
1. Jesus said that the devil is a liar and the Father of Lies (John 8:44). Now absolutely everything published or voiced by (1) China and WHO, (3) the Western governments, (3) the public health services, (4) Anthony Fauci and his gang of "experts", (5) the mainstream media, and (6) the medical "establishment" regarding the COVID Scamdemic have been lies. There is more than enough documentation to prove it, therefore I will not list it.


Everything? why not list just some documentation that gives a smoking gun that all these are lying! Now Fauci and the WHO and many politicians are using this to their power advantage. But you have yet given one document that shows these organizations knew the shots were a death sentence for more than a small %. It is a larger % than all other sahots but it is still like .000055% not likely to kill yo ubaseed on teh number of doses administered in the US and the number of deaths (the higher number by th econcpiracy sights.) If you can give one peer reviewed empirically evidsenced report that shows these people produced this and knew they were ly9ing and marketing a death drug, I am all ears! Just one- you haven't yet! Just anecdotal evidence and accusations and unverified figures.

2. Jesus said that the devil was a murderer from the beginning (John 8:44) The deliberate sabotage of HCQ and ivermectin resulted in the medical murder of at least 500,000 people with coronavirus in the USA alone. On top of that there are already about 200,000 vaccine deaths in the USA (when adjusted for under-reporting by VAERS). And on top of that there are millions of deaths worldwide (see the Vaccine Death Report). This too was medical murder.

I await the paper trail that absolutely shows there was an organized educated move to "sabotage" hcq and ivermectin. I have seen numerous clinical hospital tirals with patioents that at teh onset in early 2020 showed great promise, but as the trials continued and expanded as they do with all experimental off label treatments for a drug, th epromises vanished. Once again it is clinically shown that using hcq and ivermectin prior to the presentation of symptoms can (repeat CAN as per the studies own conclusions) be benficial. Once symptoms present, the benefit drops exponentially. there are exceptional cases. But like they say-= they are the excpetion and not the rule! I wish they were true, but now you are talking a coordinated global cooperation from drug companies, nations, media and all medical institutions- I await a more empirical piece of evidence than you have submitted to date.

YOu should look at teh VAERS numbers as cases are subsequently reported and further information given, then the numbers drop, sometimes very very significantly. the charts you and I see when we link is si9mply the raw unanalyzed data.

3. Jesus said that the thief Satan's agenda was to (a) steal, (b) kill, and (c) destroy (John 10:10). The billions of dollars given to pharmaceutical companies for killer "vaccines" was theft. The medical murders are already mentioned. And the extremely dangerous adverse effects have destroyed (and are destroying) millions of lives. There is ample documentation for all of this.

So I take you are against all injections then. VAERS has a comparison chart showing teh results of Covid and all injections from 1990 to date! I also assume you no longer look to the medical venues as you have written they are not to be trusted. If you are refraining from all medical treatment from these convicted in you r mind murderers and thieves and deastroyers, then at least I can find your conviciton credible. but if you are enjoying the benefits of these you call murders, thieves and destroyers- then your credibility has gone to 00000000000%


In view of these FACTS, any Christian supporting the globalist agenda of the COVID conspirators (a part of the Great Reset and the NWO) is indeed the devil's advocate. Just as the apostle John said that those who bid Godspeed to those who reject the doctrine of Christ are partakers of their evil deeds (2 John 1:11). anyone who supports the liars, thieves and murderers involved with COVID machinations is also a partaker of their evil deeds.

And as I have repeatedly said I am against mandates, have not been convinced by the spotty data on your side, believe one should take the shot after consulting with their physician if the cases warrant it. So obviously if anyone takes the shot to you- they are promoting Satan's agenda!

But show from Scripture merely taking a shot is the nefarious evil you say it is.

Do you use a cell phone or computer linked to teh internet? Then you too are advocating for teh devil! these are being used to monitor peoples activities and arresting people based on the govt. activating the videos and microphones remotely to spy on people.

The great Reset is already in motion it is going to happen no matter what! I am not as bitter and cynical as you ! I know my God and I know that I deeply lust to serve Him and glorify Him. Before I got my first shot, I watched pro and con videos about the shot. After investigation, prayer and consultation with my doctor I took teh shot, end shot and booster. and I expect this covid will become like th eflu and we will need annual injections. Viruses are much harder to eradicate than people think.

If you pay any national or local taxes in Canada guess what? You are in cahoots with the Devil and you are supporting HIs agenda!!!! The nations are pouring into teh world organizations and by paying taxes you are deliberately and intentionally helping to support Satans agenda!
I guess we need to make room in the boat you want to throw millions of christrians in for people like you.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Cassandra