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GodsGrace

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Matt 12:
[31] Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
[32] And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
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There is only one sin that cannot be forgiven...
The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
What is that sin?
It's the sin of unbelief.
Unbelief cannot be forgiven UNLESS one repents and become born from above.

We were all unbelievers before we became believers.
 

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Licentiousness is caused by the teaching of OSAS.
We have come to an impass. You just prove you have utterly no idea what OSAS teaches thus there is no need to continue. Because it is obvious you have no desire to learn. If you change your mind get back to me. I would love to show you what we really believe and the huge difference between a licentious and grace through faith only (OSAS)

because there is a huge difference whether you believe it or not
 

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We have come to an impass. You just prove you have utterly no idea what OSAS teaches thus there is no need to continue. Because it is obvious you have no desire to learn. If you change your mind get back to me. I would love to show you what we really believe and the huge difference between a licentious and grace through faith only (OSAS)

because there is a huge difference whether you believe it or not
No need to get back to you EG.
There are 3 types of belief systems:
ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED
ETERNAL SECURITY
PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS

Each one means something different...
It's too bad not all Christians use the same language to speak to each other.
You most probably mean Eternal Security..maybe not.
Doesn't matter.
As long as you love God and serve Him and not the prince of the air, you're OK.

I do worry about those reading along that get the idea they are saved NO MATTER WHAT...
which corresponds to ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED.
 
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No need to get back to you EG.
There are 3 types of belief systems:
ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED
ETERNAL SECURITY
PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS

Each one means something different...
It's too bad not all Christians use the same language to speak to each other.
You most probably mean Eternal Security..maybe not.
Doesn't matter.
As long as you love God and serve Him and not the prince of the air, you're OK.

I do worry about those reading along that get the idea they are saved NO MATTER WHAT...
which corresponds to ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED.

Thats ok.

Actually, in my belief, I believe in once saved I will always be saved, this in itself is eternal security, also called eternal life

Perseverance of the saints, I do not agree with. I do not persevere. God keeps me from falling, He has perfected me forever while he is in the process of sanctifying me.

Sadly. I believe your issue is with Calvinism. Until you understand that not all people who believe in eternal security are Calvinists. you will continue to try to push us all into this little hole where we do not belong and will hence be unable to understand a things we say.

I worry about people who get saved in the spirit. and believe they must perfect that salvation in the flesh (works (NOSAS)

before you worry about me and my faiht in Christ. You should worry about you and your lack of faith in Christ
 

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Thats ok.

Actually, in my belief, I believe in once saved I will always be saved, this in itself is eternal security, also called eternal life

Perseverance of the saints, I do not agree with. I do not persevere. God keeps me from falling, He has perfected me forever while he is in the process of sanctifying me.

Sadly. I believe your issue is with Calvinism. Until you understand that not all people who believe in eternal security are Calvinists. you will continue to try to push us all into this little hole where we do not belong and will hence be unable to understand a things we say.

I worry about people who get saved in the spirit. and believe they must perfect that salvation in the flesh (works (NOSAS)

before you worry about me and my faiht in Christ. You should worry about you and your lack of faith in Christ
I didn't say I was worried about you.
Eternal Security is not calvinist.
Perseverance of the saints is Calvinist.
And it's GOD that KEEPS them saved, whether they like it or not.
 

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I didn't say I was worried about you.
Eternal Security is not calvinist.
Perseverance of the saints is Calvinist.
And it's GOD that KEEPS them saved, whether they like it or not.
Eternal security is OSAS though.

They are inseparable

One is not secure if they do not have eternal life.
 

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We have come to an impass. You just prove you have utterly no idea what OSAS teaches thus there is no need to continue. Because it is obvious you have no desire to learn. If you change your mind get back to me. I would love to show you what we really believe and the huge difference between a licentious and grace through faith only (OSAS)

because there is a huge difference whether you believe it or not
I think in some sense he is correct. I've had people use OSAS as an excuse for sinning. You can say they misunderstood the doctrine and I agree, by it still happens.
Some treat it as getting their fire insurance.
 

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I think in some sense he is correct. I've had people use OSAS as an excuse for sinning. You can say they misunderstood the doctrine and I agree, by it still happens.
Some treat it as getting their fire insurance.
Like I said earlier there are different aspects of beliefs that take a correct doctrine and take advantage of it

Licentiousness claim osas. But they are osas minus true saving faith and repentance.

it does NOT make OSAS false.
 

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There are 3 types of belief systems:
(A.) ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED
(B.) ETERNAL SECURITY
(C.) PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS


Each one means something different...

I do worry about those reading along that get the idea they are saved NO MATTER WHAT...
which corresponds to ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED.
I've always understood A & B to be the same as well. C is more along the lines of what I believe because it is described all throughout the Bible, but if it means one is saved no matter what, that is not what I believe.

For those reading along who might believe they are saved NO MATTER WHAT, think of Abraham who was not allowed into the Promised Land by God for his conduct; disobedience of some kind. Did you notice that word there? Promised Land.

That's right. God made the promise and God retracted it ... due to a performance-related issue of Abraham's.

God's promises are conditional.

There are countless verses that encourage to persevere and endure and fight and keep watch, etc. NONE of these concepts make any sense at all if we are guaranteed entry into heaven after sincerely setting off to be a Christian.

Not necessarily directed at you, GG. Just re-stating a point that keeps falling on deaf ears.

I have also repeatedly brought up the point that Christians are in a War and Ephesians 6:12 is a sticky issue for OSAS, but nobody will address it.
 
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I do worry about those reading along that get the idea they are saved NO MATTER WHAT...
which corresponds to ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED.

What do you mean....ARE saved...”NO MATTER WHAT” ?
Like WHAT can “unsave” a Saved person?
 

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I think in some sense he is correct. I've had people use OSAS as an excuse for sinning. You can say they misunderstood the doctrine and I agree, by it still happens.
Some treat it as getting their fire insurance.

A SAVED person does not sin.
What are you calling SINS a Saved person commits? Examples?