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No, I have posted what I believe and what I have experienced many times on forums including this one over the years with regard to tongues. I do not know all of the answers. Only God does. God increases people when He does.

As to my personal testimonies..., that is what they are. I won't argue about them.

Be blessed in the things of God!

Did you not have a personal testimony when you were a Catholic? And yet you have grown in your walk with the Lord since then, but you had to amend your testimony, right, from being a Catholic and doing what you had believed to be true?

So in a lot of ways, you are an example of proving all things with the Lord and to abstain from all appearances of evil.

This shows the Lord is working in your life as a believer, pruning you so you can bear more fruit.

John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

We are always growing, learning in the Lord, and that means we are open to the Lord for corrections by the scripture to even proving everything in our testimony that we had thought to be true.

It is when we stop listening to the Lord and resisting the scriptures that oppose something in our testimony is when we stop abiding in Him to bear more fruit.

Indeed, those who are abiding in Him should be ready to give an answer to those who ask and not treat their personal testimony as if it is written in stone when it has been changed from before. If they do not have an answer "yet", then just say that, but to say personal testimonies are not to be argued with, is the same as not having an answer for those that do ask or contend with because of opposition in scripture.

Have a blessed day in the Lord, brother. Trust Him as your Good Shepherd & Friend to continue to face and accept some of the hard truths in scripture so He may prune us and bear more fruit as His disciple.
 

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13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

There was nothing "devout" about those "others." They didn't belong to God and could have been Gentiles, to whom the gospel was not open to yet.

That should be a warning to us too. God hates mockers. Psalms 1:1. Cessationists should take heed, don't you think. God hates unbelief. When I hear of something happening of God, I NEVER mock or even discount it. As Gamaliel said in Acts 5:33-39 I don't want to find myself in a position of fighting God. And I do believe that when something supernatural seems to be happening in a church, like gold dust or precious gems, just because the Scriptures haven't recorded the same exact thing, doesn't mean it would be impossible for God to do. And it is just like God to not be shoved in a box by anyone. I never experienced it myself, only those written about, but you'll never hear me speaking against those that have received these.

However, I also look at the people displaying these signs or wonders. When Todd Bennet's wife started presenting with the shaking of the head as in Hindu's kindulini experience, I look to the source. She was the pastor's mistress and split up his marriage before they got married. It appears she has a seducing evil spirit. Many others in Todd Bennet's "church" also presented with the kindulini evil spirit. I saw someone earlier had posted a video of it that I've seen before.
 

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This assumes she spoke to no one in that moment, however. What would she be giving thanks to God about "in that moment," if not that the Messiah had been born?

Would not praying to God be the same format as giving thanks to God for the Messiah had been born in the Temple?

38 And coming in that instant she gave thanks to the Lord, and spoke of Him to all those who looked for redemption in Jerusalem.

And the latter half of that verse would be her outward ministry since then, of speaking about Him to all those that sought redemption in Jerusalem.
 

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This is why praying in tongues or assuming tongues for private use is not of Him at all. It makes those who do not pray in tongues wonder why God does not care about them to have the Holy Spirit in them to pray for them. It is no wonder why some will even doubt they have the Holy Spirit at all...
What is God's overall plan, the plan about which He knew every detail before the foundation of the world?

Who is able to see clearer than as through a glass darkly in this moment?

Does God give precisely the same gifts or blessings to every person?

Is God ever a respecter of persons?

Why is one person a smart female while another is an ignorant male?

Why does one person have natural beauty which is attractive to others, while another is so ugly that others cannot bear to look on his face?

Why is one person born in the poorest of huts in the poorest of countries like Haiti, while another is born to materially wealthy parents in the richest [natural riches] nation in the world of men?

While does one person have the brain potential of an Einstein, while another remains always with the mind of a small child requiring someone to care for him all of his natural life?

What is God's plan for each person?

Are all parts of the Body of Christ to have the same function?

Are all parts of the Body of Christ on exactly the same place in the road at the same moment in time?

Does not God have a reason for where he places each person and for what He gives to each person to use as a steward of God or as a part of the Body of Christ?

Who is able to answer all of these questions correctly?

Not me!

"Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?
Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me." John 21:20-22
 
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There was nothing "devout" about those "others." They didn't belong to God and could have been Gentiles, to whom the gospel was not open to yet.

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

That should be a warning to us too. God hates mockers. Psalms 1:1. Cessationists should take heed, don't you think. God hates unbelief. When I hear of something happening of God, I NEVER mock or even discount it. As Gamaliel said in Acts 5:33-39 I don't want to find myself in a position of fighting God. And I do believe that when something supernatural seems to be happening in a church, like gold dust or precious gems, just because the Scriptures haven't recorded the same exact thing, doesn't mean it would be impossible for God to do. And it is just like God to not be shoved in a box by anyone. I never experienced it myself, only those written about, but you'll never hear me speaking against those that have received these.

When there had been a supernatural tongue of gibberish nonsense as found in the world before Pentecost came with the real God's gift of tongues for speaking unto the people in their native foreign language, and that tongue for private use was gained by an apostate calling as if one can receive the holy Spirit again apart from salvation, 2 Corinthians 11;1-4 then it is not about an issue of Cessationism but the issue of defending the faith in Jesus Christ 2 Corinthians 13:5

However, I also look at the people displaying these signs or wonders. When Todd Bennet's wife started presenting with the shaking of the head as in Hindu's kindulini experience, I look to the source. She was the pastor's mistress and split up his marriage before they got married. It appears she has a seducing evil spirit. Many others in Todd Bennet's "church" also presented with the kindulini evil spirit. I saw someone earlier had posted a video of it that I've seen before.

You should also discern that what you see in Khundalini, then none of that appearance should not be seen in the Christian churches at all.

Below is a video showing Christian churches and comparing to Khundalini, an eastern mysticism that existed before Pentecost.

What that video below failed to point out was that as you listen, there were scenes where they were also speaking in gibberish nonsense too.

 

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So what did Paul do with the least of the spiritual gifts?

He thanked God he spoke in tongues more than anyone, and told the Corinthians he wanted them all to speak in tongues.

Obviously being the so called least spiritual gift didn’t mean not using and ignoring it, as cessationists want people to think, by making the point it’s the last gift on the list.
BINGO!! Tongues are sometimes the BEST GIFT depending on the situation. WE Stupid Humans tend to want to rank everything, and the silly Corinthians actually were "competitive" with their gifts: "I work MIRACLES, and all you do is HEAL people. I'm better than you - in fact I don't need You AT ALL"!!! (1 Cor 12,13)
 
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Only in outward ministry; not in the church. That is what the scriptures says; they are not allowed to even teach.

Like I had asked, would the Holy Spirit break the Lord's commandment by manifesting tongues in women or even to prophesy or to teach?

Acts 21:7 And when we had finished our voyage from Tyre, we came to Ptolemais, greeted the brethren, and stayed with them one day. 8 On the next day we who were Paul’s companions departed and came to Caesarea, and entered the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him. 9 Now this man had four virgin daughters who prophesied. 10 And as we stayed many days, a certain prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. 11 When he had come to us, he took Paul’s belt, bound his own hands and feet, and said, “Thus says the Holy Spirit, ‘So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man who owns this belt, and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’ ”

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

1 Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

In 2000 I was driving in the desert between Arizona and California and God spoke to me and said, "I am giving you the office of teacher." From then on I started to write down what the Lord was giving me - insights or personal revelation of the true meaning of Scripture. I still do to this day. I have one book published and am in the process of dividing what I've written since into two new books. There have been men on the forums who tell me I'm sinning because I am attempting to teach them as a woman. I don't want to sin EVER, so in tears I asked God why He gave me the office of teacher when Paul wrote those scriptures about women, because if God said it was a sin, I would certainly stop. But instead, He said, "I never said that to him." And further revelation. The personal letter to Timothy was his "opinion" based on his Jewish roots which were still present in his day, and verses 34 and 35 were additions to Scripture at a later date after Paul was dead. The original was:

29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge. 30 But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent. 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged. 32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. 36 Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached? 37 If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.

39 Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues. 40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

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When there had been a supernatural tongue of gibberish nonsense as found in the world before Pentecost came with the real God's gift of tongues for speaking unto the people in their native foreign language, and that tongue for private use was gained by an apostate calling as if one can receive the holy Spirit again apart from salvation, 2 Corinthians 11;1-4 then it is not about an issue of Cessationism but the issue of defending the faith in Jesus Christ 2 Corinthians 13:5

Your interpretations about the gifts of the Spirit seem worldly. Please explain 1 Corinthians 14:22-23. What type of sign to an unbeliever was that if all were speaking in tongues and unbelievers couldn't understand and thought they were crazy?
 

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You have simply been deceived. Paul's idea of "diversities of tongues" means various 'known' languages of the world. With some, The Holy Spirit gives the gift of being able to speak many languages. I even know someone who has a son that he figured wouldn't amount to much, because he couldn't get him interested in anything. Then the son joined the U.S. Army, and when the Army tested his aptitudes, they found out he had a talent for languages. He is fluent in English, Chinese, Korean, and Japanese. (And I consider those Asian languages very difficult).

This is the normal cessationist rationalization of the "Charisma" which have nothing to do with "natural talents". I'm naturally talented in Engineering, and Music, but had to DEVELOP both into real activities (Engineering pays well, and Music is a passion).
Supernaturally gifted tongues manifest when the Holy Spirit feeds the words to your mind and you simple SPEAK What He gives you without having any idea what you're saying. Same with Interpretation, Prophesy, Word of Wisdom, Word of Knowledge, etc.
 

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What is God's overall plan, the plan about which He knew every detail before the foundation of the world?

1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Ephesians 1:
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
 

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Who is able to see clearer than as through a glass darkly in this moment?

Jesus can for why all wisdom comes from the Lord s we are free to ask Him.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

Romans 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.




 

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Does God give precisely the same gifts or blessings to every person?

No.

1 Corinthians 12:
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
 

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Is God ever a respecter of persons?

No, but when only some believers use tongues for private use and not others, what appearance does that give?

James 1:1My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. 2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; 3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: 4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts? 5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

Is God partial in having evil thoughts by not loving all believers equally? Or maybe tongues for private use as gained by an extra phenomenon in the life of a saved believer is not of God at all?
 

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Why is one person a smart female while another is an ignorant male?

Scripture seems to testify of a man when he is ignorant about the commandments from the Lord that women are not to speak nor teach in church.

1 Corinthians 14:
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

1 Timothy 2:
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

I am beginning to wonder if verse 15 is inferring women can be saved from that temptation by raising children, setting the example to their children in raising them up.
 

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Would not praying to God be the same format as giving thanks to God for the Messiah had been born in the Temple?

Not really, no. Not unless she were praying in tongues, and the Spirit had not yet been poured out as it would be at Pentecost yet.
 

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Why does one person have natural beauty which is attractive to others, while another is so ugly that others cannot bear to look on his face?


John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

2 Corinthians 10:7 Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? if any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.

1 Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

1 John 2:
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
 

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Why is one person born in the poorest of huts in the poorest of countries like Haiti, while another is born to materially wealthy parents in the richest [natural riches] nation in the world of men?


Proverbs 22:1A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, and loving favour rather than silver and gold. 2 The rich and poor meet together: the Lord is the maker of them all.

Proverbs 30:
7 Two things have I required of thee; deny me them not before I die: 8 Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me: 9 Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the Lord? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.

Psalm 78:
6 That the generation to come might know them, even the children which should be born; who should arise and declare them to their children: 7 That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments:
 

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While does one person have the brain potential of an Einstein, while another remains always the mind of a small child requiring someone to care for him all of his natural life?


1 Corinthians 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

 

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What is God's plan for each person?


Isaiah 45:
5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

 

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Are all parts of the Body of Christ to have the same function?

No.
1 Corinthians 12:
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

But there is no part of the body gift wise that is for private use.

1 Corinthians 12:19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.