Is The Beast Of Revelation 13:1-8 A Political System On Earth?

[Earburner]

I would suggest that you are grasping at strays again with your answer. The four winds of heaven in Daniel 7:2 cause the sea of humanity to manifest the dominate characteristic of the respective four beasts that exercised their influence over the peoples of the seas. That is why the Beasts manifested themselves in different people groups and during different time periods since the time of Daniel.

In Mark 13:24-27 Jesus is stating that During the time of the Kings of the earth being judged at the same time that the heavenly hosts are judged, that He will send Hi Angels to Gather His elect, i.e. the Israelites from where they will have been disbursed throughout the earth by the Gentile armies during the 2,300 years that the fallen heavenly hosts had been given and had influence over the various peoples, people groups, nations kingdoms and empires during this 2,300 year prophetic period.

The truth is hidden from you.

In the foreknowledge of God, concerning the free will of man, God in His Eternity, expresses His all knowing ability to see our past, present and future events all at the same time.

We know of it as His prophecies, whereby He foretells of them through His use of symbolic language and/or pictoral images/visions, that is common to the current moment of man in which they live.

I agree that angels can be described as "winds" and or "clouds", but not necessarily all the time.
Winds also mean directions in, of or for events that are, have or will take place among men, by the sheer free will of man, but not barring the intrusion of the fallen angels, or by God's own intervention, through His holy angels.

As for the 2300 day prophecy**, in conjunction with the 1290/1335 days described within it, all of that was fulfilled through the events of the "little horn" Antiochus Epiphanes and Judas Maccabeus, a prince of Israel, in the approximate Jewish time period of 148BC. That period of time is well known of as being "the abomination that maketh desolate", and then "the cleansing/restoration" of the sanctuary.
Today, it is known as Hanukkah.

**Note: the math for "time" is all there in the books of 1&2 Maccabees.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

In the foreknowledge of God, concerning the free will of man, God in His Eternity, expresses His all knowing ability to see our past, present and future events all at the same time.

We know of it as His prophecies, whereby He foretells of them through His use of symbolic language and/or pictoral images/visions, that is common to the current moment of man in which they live.

I agree that angels can be described as "winds" and or "clouds", but not necessarily all the time.
Winds also mean directions in, of or for events that are, have or will take place among men, by the sheer free will of man, but not barring the intrusion of the fallen angels, or by God's own intervention, through His holy angels.

As for the 2300 day prophecy**, in conjunction with the 1290/1335 days described within it, all of that was fulfilled through the events of the "little horn" Antiochus Epiphanes and Judas Maccabeus, a prince of Israel, in the approximate Jewish time period of 148BC. That period of time is well known of as being "the abomination that maketh desolate", and then "the cleansing/restoration" of the sanctuary.
Today, it is known as Hanukkah.

**Note: the math for "time" is all there in the books of 1&2 Maccabees.

This is quite a few people I have seen now on this board who think the Little Horn was Antiochus Epiphanes, what's in the water here? That wouldn't even pass a basic aptitude reasoning test. Gabriel interprets and says this man is killed by Jesus (Prince of princes) WITHOUT HANDS referring back to Jesus again in Dan. 2:34, where the stone is cut out of the mountain and destroys the Statue WITHOUT HANDS. Jesus clearly speaks victory at Armageddon, just like he spoke creation into existence.

There is no 2300 days, its 1150 days, its 2300 Evening and Morning Sacrifices that is being taken away, not 2300 days. The Hebrew say Evening and Mornings, and the Oblations as shown in Dan. 9:21, were Evening and Morning Oblations/Tributes/Sacrifices unto the Lord. 2300 Evening and Morning sacrifices = 1150 days.

The Man in Linen (Jesus) tells us exactly what the 1260 is, we can then take our cue from that number.

So, we get the Anti-Christ shown to us in Daniel 11:36-45 then in Dan. 12:6 we get the angel asking this question, when shall all these wonders end (How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?) and thus in Dan. 12:7 we get Jesus answering, and he basically says there will be 1260 days (Time, times and half time) from the time this man (A.C.) of Dan. 11:36-45, scatters the holy peoples (Conquers Jerusalem) until ALL THESE WONDERS (things Daniel saw in Dan. 11:36-45) END. Via the Second Coming of course, where Jesus kills the Anti-Christ as verse 36 says, he comes to his end.

Dan. 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen(Jesus), which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half (1260 days); and when he(A.C.) shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

So, from the time that the Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem, until all these wonders Daniel were just shown (Daniel 11:36-45) comes to an end there will be 1260 days. Well this doesn't take a lot of thought tbh, that means Jesus Christ will end this mans rule (THESE WONDERS of Dan. 11:36-45) as soon as his allotted 1260 day rule as the Beast ends. This is fairly obvious, now is where it always goes south, most people understand the above prophecy, but then go totally off the rails on the 1290 and 1335. But lets see why Daniel's question in verse 8 shows us these two numbers should be viewed in the exact same symmetry as the 1260 number.

Dan. 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

So, Daniel asks the exact same question as the angel asked, what shall be the end of these things? (Wonders Daniel was shown in Dan. 11:36-45). And thus when Jesus finally answers, after telling him at first to go his way, he gives him two more numbers which will also end with THE SECOND COMING, just like the 1260 event (The Anti-Christ conquering Jerusalem ended after 1260 days) did, so shall these two numbers end after that many days with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ also. Thus the 1290 can not be the Anti-Christ because he is not in power until the 1260, which is 30 days after the 1290 event, so who is it that defiles the Temple with an Image? Well that would be the False Prophet (THINK---the Rev. 13 placing of an Image of the Beast). He also takes away or stops he sacrifice which defiles the Temple, QUESTION, how can an already defiled meat sacrifice being taken away defile the temple? Answer, it can't, the False Prophet, (Jewish High Priest in league with the E.U. President/A.C.) places an Image of his E.U. President "buddy" in the temple, then also stops Jesus Worship in the temple, we can see in Zechariah 13:8-9 that 1/3 of the Jews repents just before the Day of the Lord comes (Zechariah 14:1-2), so that is 3-5 million Jews worshipping Jesus, and this Jewish High Priest goes bananas with anger, places an Image of the E.U. President in the temple of God and forbids Jesus Worship in the temple, maybe in all Jerusalem. (the Covenant or AGREEMENT is one that places Israel in the E.U. Mark my words, but they have to give up their Nukes to join.)

The Jews who have repented by this time and see this coming AoD know to flee Judea for two reasons, they can read it in Matt. 24:15-17, but they also have the guidance of the Two-witnesses who Malachi 4:5-6 says shows up BEFORE the Day of the Lord (1260 event) to turn Israel back unto God. So, the Two-witnesses are the 1335 blessing, they show up 1335 days before the Second Coming of Jesus ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS !!

1335 = The Two-witnesses who show up 1335 days before the Second Coming to turn Israel back unto God.

1290 = the False Prophet placing an Image of the E.U. President in the temple and stopping Jesus worship in the temple, maybe in all Jerusalem 1290 days before the Second Coming ends all of these things Daniel saw.

1260 = The Anti-Christ conquering Jerusalem and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region 1260 days before all these wonders Daniel saw in Dan. 11:36-45 comes to an end via Jesus' Second Coming.

 

[Earburner]

This is quite a few people I have seen now on this board who think the Little Horn was Antiochus Epiphanes, what's in the water here? That wouldn't even pass a basic aptitude reasoning test. Gabriel interprets and says this man is killed by Jesus (Prince of princes) WITHOUT HANDS referring back to Jesus again in Dan. 2:34, where the stone is cut out of the mountain and destroys the Statue WITHOUT HANDS. Jesus clearly speaks victory at Armageddon, just like he spoke creation into existence.

There is no 2300 days, its 1150 days, its 2300 Evening and Morning Sacrifices that is being taken away, not 2300 days. The Hebrew say Evening and Mornings, and the Oblations as shown in Dan. 9:21, were Evening and Morning Oblations/Tributes/Sacrifices unto the Lord. 2300 Evening and Morning sacrifices = 1150 days.

The Man in Linen (Jesus) tells us exactly what the 1260 is, we can then take our cue from that number.

So, we get the Anti-Christ shown to us in Daniel 11:36-45 then in Dan. 12:6 we get the angel asking this question, when shall all these wonders end (How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?) and thus in Dan. 12:7 we get Jesus answering, and he basically says there will be 1260 days (Time, times and half time) from the time this man (A.C.) of Dan. 11:36-45, scatters the holy peoples (Conquers Jerusalem) until ALL THESE WONDERS (things Daniel saw in Dan. 11:36-45) END. Via the Second Coming of course, where Jesus kills the Anti-Christ as verse 36 says, he comes to his end.

Dan. 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen(Jesus), which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half (1260 days); and when he(A.C.) shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

So, from the time that the Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem, until all these wonders Daniel were just shown (Daniel 11:36-45) comes to an end there will be 1260 days. Well this doesn't take a lot of thought tbh, that means Jesus Christ will end this mans rule (THESE WONDERS of Dan. 11:36-45) as soon as his allotted 1260 day rule as the Beast ends. This is fairly obvious, now is where it always goes south, most people understand the above prophecy, but then go totally off the rails on the 1290 and 1335. But lets see why Daniel's question in verse 8 shows us these two numbers should be viewed in the exact same symmetry as the 1260 number.

Dan. 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

So, Daniel asks the exact same question as the angel asked, what shall be the end of these things? (Wonders Daniel was shown in Dan. 11:36-45). And thus when Jesus finally answers, after telling him at first to go his way, he gives him two more numbers which will also end with THE SECOND COMING, just like the 1260 event (The Anti-Christ conquering Jerusalem ended after 1260 days) did, so shall these two numbers end after that many days with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ also. Thus the 1290 can not be the Anti-Christ because he is not in power until the 1260, which is 30 days after the 1290 event, so who is it that defiles the Temple with an Image? Well that would be the False Prophet (THINK---the Rev. 13 placing of an Image of the Beast). He also takes away or stops he sacrifice which defiles the Temple, QUESTION, how can an already defiled meat sacrifice being taken away defile the temple? Answer, it can't, the False Prophet, (Jewish High Priest in league with the E.U. President/A.C.) places an Image of his E.U. President "buddy" in the temple, then also stops Jesus Worship in the temple, we can see in Zechariah 13:8-9 that 1/3 of the Jews repents just before the Day of the Lord comes (Zechariah 14:1-2), so that is 3-5 million Jews worshipping Jesus, and this Jewish High Priest goes bananas with anger, places an Image of the E.U. President in the temple of God and forbids Jesus Worship in the temple, maybe in all Jerusalem. (the Covenant or AGREEMENT is one that places Israel in the E.U. Mark my words, but they have to give up their Nukes to join.)

The Jews who have repented by this time and see this coming AoD know to flee Judea for two reasons, they can read it in Matt. 24:15-17, but they also have the guidance of the Two-witnesses who Malachi 4:5-6 says shows up BEFORE the Day of the Lord (1260 event) to turn Israel back unto God. So, the Two-witnesses are the 1335 blessing, they show up 1335 days before the Second Coming of Jesus ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS !!

1335 = The Two-witnesses who show up 1335 days before the Second Coming to turn Israel back unto God.

1290 = the False Prophet placing an Image of the E.U. President in the temple and stopping Jesus worship in the temple, maybe in all Jerusalem 1290 days before the Second Coming ends all of these things Daniel saw.

1260 = The Anti-Christ conquering Jerusalem and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region 1260 days before all these wonders Daniel saw in Dan. 11:36-45 comes to an end via Jesus' Second Coming.

I could go at great length to reveal the numerous errors that you are mixing and matching. But for me to take up point of any one of them, is a discussion in itself of many pages. Therefore I will condense all of it by these two comments:

1. The words: "scatters the holy peoples" is in error.
Before Jesus' death and resurrection, there was ONCE only one "holy people", and they WERE the Jews. But, since Jesus, the KoG was taken from Israel and given to the "nation" of God's Born Again Saints.

To the Jews, God once said:
Deut.14[2] for thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

To God's Born Again Saints He now says:
1Pet.2[9] But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

2. The book of Daniel was for Israel, as the book of Revelation is for Christ's Born Again Church.

Unfortunately, the "TARES" in the visible churches (church-ianity) have married the OC with the NC.

Edit: instead of blending all the biblical topics, in a string of your understanding, try selecting a single topic, and we can take it from there.

 

[Enoch111]

. . . as are many personifications of abstract concepts so on this point your argument fails.

Except that the Beast of Revelation 13 must be connected to the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition, as well as the Little Horn of Daniel. This man is a renegade Jew who will claim to be both God and Christ. He will blaspheme God, and war with Christ. He is also the one who will set up the Abomination of Desolation in the Holy Place within the future temple in Jerusalem.

The Antichrist will establish a religious-cum-political system, and is already prefigured in Nebuchadnezzar. He will be totally controlled, empowered, and directed by Satan. Satanist Jews have planned for his arrival since a long time. Here is what they had to say: “WHEN THE HOUR STRIKES FOR OUR SOVEREIGN LORD OF ALL THE WORLD TO BE CROWNED IT IS THESE SAME HANDS WHICH WILL SWEEP AWAY EVERYTHING THAT MIGHT BE A HINDRANCE THERETO.”

 

[Earburner]

Satanist Jews have planned for his arrival since a long time. Here is what they had to say: “WHEN THE HOUR STRIKES FOR OUR SOVEREIGN LORD OF ALL THE WORLD TO BE CROWNED IT IS THESE SAME HANDS WHICH WILL SWEEP AWAY EVERYTHING THAT MIGHT BE A HINDRANCE THERETO.”

Those words are a very real thought pattern of what they have planned to do. Unfortunately, not many are aware that it has been publicly in process since 1945. Today, the plans are known as "UN Agenda 21" and "UN Agenda 30".

If anyone should ever be ignorant or in doubt of their plans to completely change our societal structure, a quick trip on line, to the "Georgia Guidestones" will refresh one's thinking about the reality of dictatorial control, and that this time it will be GLOBAL.

 

[No Pre-TB]

I shouldn’t be amazed at the prideful nature of some posters here. Thinking they have the beast figured out with very little scriptural proof. Opinions aren’t proof. They barely give the reader an attention span more than 2 sentences.

Tell me, if the 4th beast is a man (I’m guessing you mean the AC) how does a beast with 10 horns on it- which 3 are humbled by the 11th horn which is the AC, constitute the AC if the AC is a horn ON the beast? Surely, it’s illogical to assume that!

The beast has horns on it. The horns wear crowns of authority. The beast doesn’t. Ever read that? The horns are men with power, beasts are described in history as kingdoms devouring others like beasts in the wilderness.

Men come from the earth, not the sea. Don’t confuse waters with the sea.

As for personal pronouns, the KJV translation of autos as “he” is quite misleading in this regard. Autos can be he or she and even “it”. This beast isn’t referred to by a specific sex (he, she). Specific kingdoms were generally identified as female. Men, in a literal sense are described as “he”. But when context describes things not naturalistic, “it” is used. Do not forget, Rev 13 was seen “in the spirit”, and John did his best to describe what he saw.
I wouldn’t read “into” it too much to distort your eschatology or to make it fit man’s ideas under the guise it’s God’s word; which it isn’t in that case.

 

[Truth7t7]

I shouldn’t be amazed at the prideful nature of some posters here. Thinking they have the beast figured out with very little scriptural proof. Opinions aren’t proof. They barely give the reader an attention span more than 2 sentences.

Tell me, if the 4th beast is a man (I’m guessing you mean the AC) how does a beast with 10 horns on it- which 3 are humbled by the 11th horn which is the AC, constitute the AC if the AC is a horn ON the beast? Surely, it’s illogical to assume that!

The beast has horns on it. The horns wear crowns of authority. The beast doesn’t. Ever read that? The horns are men with power, beasts are described in history as kingdoms devouring others like beasts in the wilderness.

Men come from the earth, not the sea. Don’t confuse waters with the sea.

As for personal pronouns, the KJV translation of autos as “he” is quite misleading in this regard. Autos can be he or she and even “it”. This beast isn’t referred to by a specific sex (he, she). Specific kingdoms were generally identified as female. Men, in a literal sense are described as “he”. But when context describes things not naturalistic, “it” is used. Do not forget, Rev 13 was seen “in the spirit”, and John did his best to describe what he saw.
I wouldn’t read “into” it too much to distort your eschatology or to make it fit man’s ideas under the guise it’s God’s word; which it isn’t in that case.

Revelation 13 clearly describes (The Beast) with personal pronouns He, His, Him, a human man, as seen in my KJV

This human man will be cast alive with the false prophet into the lake of fire Revelation 19:20

 

[Enoch111]

Tell me, if the 4th beast is a man (I’m guessing you mean the AC) how does a beast with 10 horns on it- which 3 are humbled by the 11th horn which is the AC, constitute the AC if the AC is a horn ON the beast? Surely, it’s illogical to assume that!

We should not allow the imagery to deflect from the reality. The beast with ten horns represents the ten political leaders ("kings" and kingdoms) who are a part of a confederacy out of the former Roman empire. And out of this confederacy comes a man who is seemingly insignificant (therefore a "little horn"), but in the end takes total control of the world and destroys all the other kingdoms. He is fully described in Daniel, but in the passage below we see his blasphemous character ("a mouth speaking great things"), which is further explained in 2 Thessalonians 2 and Revelation 13.

After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast [the Roman empire], dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. (Dan 7:7,8)... And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Rev 13:5)

 

[Earburner]

I shouldn’t be amazed at the prideful nature of some posters here. Thinking they have the beast figured out with very little scriptural proof. Opinions aren’t proof. They barely give the reader an attention span more than 2 sentences.

Tell me, if the 4th beast is a man (I’m guessing you mean the AC) how does a beast with 10 horns on it- which 3 are humbled by the 11th horn which is the AC, constitute the AC if the AC is a horn ON the beast? Surely, it’s illogical to assume that!

The beast has horns on it. The horns wear crowns of authority. The beast doesn’t. Ever read that? The horns are men with power, beasts are described in history as kingdoms devouring others like beasts in the wilderness.

Men come from the earth, not the sea. Don’t confuse waters with the sea.

As for personal pronouns, the KJV translation of autos as “he” is quite misleading in this regard. Autos can be he or she and even “it”. This beast isn’t referred to by a specific sex (he, she). Specific kingdoms were generally identified as female. Men, in a literal sense are described as “he”. But when context describes things not naturalistic, “it” is used. Do not forget, Rev 13 was seen “in the spirit”, and John did his best to describe what he saw.
I wouldn’t read “into” it too much to distort your eschatology or to make it fit man’s ideas under the guise it’s God’s word; which it isn’t in that case.

Correct!

Beasts are Empires that presently rule the world.
Heads on a Beast are past empires, incorporated into the world ruling Beast, retaining their form of government, but no longer rule the world.
Horns are kings and/or kingdoms within a Beast. They only have power by permission of the Beast that they are in, but they can usurp or assume authority, if the Beast is no more.

 

[Oceanprayers]

If the beast is a political system it is of God, his doing. Just as is Satan being Lord of this world to this day.

 

[Earburner]

If the beast is a political system it is of God, his doing. Just as is Satan being Lord of this world to this day.

Those are contrary and dangerous thoughts.
The ONLY business that God is involved with, is seeking those who will respond to His Grace, by believing in His Son Jesus.
In this world and of this world, God the Father has no other agenda to be mindful of. Saving US is His deepest desire and concern!

In case you didn't know, we all who are procreated from mortal flesh, have life now by only two sources: the "seeds" of our parents, and by breathing oxygenated air. Apart from that, being that of before birth, or after death, THERE IS NO LIFE or existence whatsoever.
HOWEVER, if you do desire to HAVE the free Gift of God's Eternal Life, He calls you, me and all to repent towards Him, and believe in His only begotten Son Jesus, having faith in Him alone to save us each from eternal death.

John.3[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Rev.[20] Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me

 

[Oseas]

Correct!

Beasts are Empires that presently rule the world.
Heads on a Beast are past empires, incorporated into the world ruling Beast, retaining their form of government, but no longer rule the world.
Horns are kings and/or kingdoms within a Beast. They only have power by permission of the Beast that they are in, but they can usurp or assume authority, if the Beast is no more.

Revelation 16:v. 13 to 16

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the MOUTH OF THE DRAGON, and out of the MOUTH of the BEAST, and out of the MOUTH of the false prophet - (the TAIL of the DRAGON).

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth-ISRAEL and of the whole world - Gentile nations- , to gather them to the battle of THIS great Day of GOD Almighty - this LORD'S DAY.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.


15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

Get ready

 

[Brakelite]

We should not allow the imagery to deflect from the reality. The beast with ten horns represents the ten political leaders ("kings" and kingdoms) who are a part of a confederacy out of the former Roman empire. And out of this confederacy comes a man who is seemingly insignificant (therefore a "little horn"), but in the end takes total control of the world and destroys all the other kingdoms. He is fully described in Daniel, but in the passage below we see his blasphemous character ("a mouth speaking great things"), which is further explained in 2 Thessalonians 2 and Revelation 13.

After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast [the Roman empire], dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. (Dan 7:7,8)... And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (Rev 13:5)

The division of the Roman empire in the western division took place by 476AD. By that time the 10 Germanic tribes had carved out a niche for themselves, and from 7 of them we have the modern nations of Europe. 3 were defeated by that little horn that had grown to power amongst them. That same little horn inherited much of the same power, authority, and the same throne held by the pagan Caesars before her, and yes, that means she is still alive and well today to be destroyed at the second coming.

 

[No Pre-TB]

Correct!

Beasts are Empires that presently rule the world.
Heads on a Beast are past empires, incorporated into the world ruling Beast, retaining their form of government, but no longer rule the world.
Horns are kings and/or kingdoms within a Beast. They only have power by permission of the Beast that they are in, but they can usurp or assume authority, if the Beast is no more.

Correct, but the head was also a figurehead. This is why the heads previously wore crowns of authority, but now only wear the names of blasphemy. Their authority was lost when defeated/slain and the horns now wear the crowns.

The others here, which I won’t respond to, are lost in their beliefs. They have not read Daniel 7 very well.

How did you come to your understanding?

 

[Earburner]

Revelation 16:v. 13 to 16

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the MOUTH OF THE DRAGON, and out of the MOUTH of the BEAST, and out of the MOUTH of the false prophet - (the TAIL of the DRAGON).

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth-ISRAEL and of the whole world - Gentile nations- , to gather them to the battle of THIS great Day of GOD Almighty - this LORD'S DAY.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.


15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

Get ready

OK! We have the symbolism in the scriptures, that you quoted, now please tell us what it looks like, and is, in the reality of this world of our flesh.
You don't know.

 

[Earburner]

Correct, but the head was also a figurehead. This is why the heads previously wore crowns of authority, but now only wear the names of blasphemy. Their authority was lost when defeated/slain and the horns now wear the crowns.

The others here, which I won’t respond to, are lost in their beliefs. They have not read Daniel 7 very well.

How did you come to your understanding?

I agree!

AFTER a near mental and spiritual breakdown, due to the confusion of many different bibles, generating spurious views, I confessed to God that I would no longer reference books of commentary, or read/study any Bible that was from the corrupted Westcott & Hort Greek text (modern day bibles).
I then gave to the trash my eight translation NT Bible, and spared my KJV.

My scriptural and spiritual strength comes from
The KJV and the Holy Spirit only.
Proverbs 3:5
Isaiah 55:8-9
Zechariah 4:6
John 16:13

Thanks for asking.

 

[No Pre-TB]

I agree!

AFTER a near mental and spiritual breakdown, due to the confusion of many different bibles, generating spurious views, I confessed to God that I would no longer reference books of commentary, or read/study any Bible that was from the corrupted Westcott & Hort Greek text (modern day bibles).
I then gave to the trash my eight translation NT Bible, and spared my KJV.

My scriptural and spiritual strength comes from
The KJV and the Holy Spirit only.
Proverbs 3:5
Isaiah 55:8-9
Zechariah 4:6
John 16:13

Thanks for asking.

I will look at commentaries because they can be invaluable in understanding another’s point of view rather then the defacto answer! Paul even made himself like those he wished to understand to win them to Christ. He learned of others to be stronger in defense of the faith. For me, I must cast all preconceived notions aside and test all. I don’t think there lies one person here who doesn’t love God and appreciates his word. But I know people will formulate their view and look for it in scripture thereby distorting scripture because they will “read into it.” The same, in their heart, may think to themselves everyone else is part of those who don’t either rightly divide or they are given into doctrine of demons with itching ears. The fool says I am wise, I know God’s words and they don’t heed council of others.

I appreciate your reply. I’m sure we’ll talk more.

 

[Earburner]

I will look at commentaries because they can be invaluable in understanding another’s point of view rather then the defacto answer! Paul even made himself like those he wished to understand to win them to Christ. He learned of others to be stronger in defense of the faith. For me, I must cast all preconceived notions aside and test all. I don’t think there lies one person here who doesn’t love God and appreciates his word. But I know people will formulate their view and look for it in scripture thereby distorting scripture because they will “read into it.” The same, in their heart, may think to themselves everyone else is part of those who don’t either rightly divide or they are given into doctrine of demons with itching ears. The fool says I am wise, I know God’s words and they don’t heed council of others.

I appreciate your reply. I’m sure we’ll talk more.

Thanks!
In regards to the overall reasoning of this your post,
I suppose, after all of our commentary, speculation and conjecture, some may even entertain the idea that they must forgive God for being narrow minded, by Him saying that HE alone is the truth and the way??
As for me, I don't think so.

Therefore, John 16:13 is His answer to me, for all my personal Bible studies.

On any one biblical topic:
"There can always be more than one lie, but there can never be more than one truth"- Earburner

However, I do rest in this, which is solid ground and is in His peace that passes all understanding:
John.8[32] And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

I could go at great length to reveal the numerous errors that you are mixing and matching. But for me to take up point of any one of them, is a discussion in itself of many pages. Therefore I will condense all of it by these two comments:

1. The words: "scatters the holy peoples" is in error.
Before Jesus' death and resurrection, there was ONCE only one "holy people", and they WERE the Jews. But, since Jesus, the KoG was taken from Israel and given to the "nation" of God's Born Again Saints.

I use an online Hebrew Massoretic site to study the Hebrew and Chaldean languages that Daniel was written in, and the same site offers an original 1611 KJV bible version also. So, I know exactly what holy peoples actually refers to in this instances, its speaking of the holy places as in Jerusalem and the Sanctuary. And since we know who lives there right now, we know that mean he conquers the Jews, case solved.

Daniel 12:7 And I heard 8085 z8799 x853 the man 376 clothed 3847 z8803 in linen, 906 which x834 [was] upon 4605 x4480 the waters 4325 of the river, 2975 when he held up 7311 z8686 his right hand 3225 and his left hand 8040 unto x413 heaven, 8064 and sware 7650 z8735 by him that liveth 2416 for ever 5769 that x3588 [it shall be] for a time, 4150 times, 4150 and an half; 2677 and when he shall have accomplished 3615 z8763 to scatter 5310 z8763 the power 3027 of the holy 6944 people, 5971 all x3605 these x428 [things] shall be finished. 3615 z8799

#6944 קֹדֶשׁ qodesh {ko'-desh}

from H6942; TWOT - 1990a; n m
—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) apartness, holiness, sacredness, separateness
1a) apartness, sacredness, holiness
1a1) of God
1a2) of places
—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)

From H6942; a sacred place or thing; rarely abstractly sanctity:—consecrated (thing), dedicated (thing), hallowed (thing), holiness, (X most) holy (X day, portion, thing), saint, sanctuary.
—Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)
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#5971 עַם `am {am}

from H6004; TWOT - 1640a,1640e; n m
—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) nation, people
1a) people, nation
1b) persons, members of one's people, compatriots, country-men
2) kinsman, kindred
—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)

From H6004; a people (as a congregated unit); specifically a tribe (as those of Israel); hence (collectively) troops or attendants; figuratively a flock:—folk, men, nation, people.
—Strong's

So, its not that hard to figure out, its saying a holy peoples as in a set aside nation, and as Daniel was writing down Jesus (Man in linens) words, he was speaking about Daniel's peoples during the end times, he says so in Daniel 12:1-2, at that time Michael will stand up and deliver thy people, then in Rev. 12 we see the same thing Michael stands up and God protects the Woman (Israel) for 1260 days, the exact same number, so we know who it is, it is Israel who gets conquered and its the Jews who flee Judea unto the Petra/Bozrah area where God protects them. Anything I say I can back up, I figured you guys would know this without me having to lay it out for you in such an expositional type way.

And your error is two fold, there is only one holy peoples and always has been those of Faithful Abraham. Those with Faith are counted as Righteous, it has nothing to do with anything else. And just like you and I have different callings, nations and peoples can also have different callings, sometime we as Gods personal servants mess up, and pick things up later in our lives. God called Israel, she birthed the Messiah, then because of unbelief Israel was forsaken, the Elder(Esau) served the YOUNGER (Jacob). God choses as He choses Paul says, but He will eventually graft Israel back in when she ceases in her unbelief, and Paul says that will happen as soon as the time of the Gentiles is over (Church Age). Our mission is complete via Matt. 24:14, when the Gospel reaches the entire world (basically now). After this, Israel has to repent during the 70th week, the Daniel 9:24-27 prophecy testifies unto this.

Israel was never done away with. God promised Abraham an eternal seed.

2. The book of Daniel was for Israel, as the book of Revelation is for Christ's Born Again Church.

Unfortunately, the "TARES" in the visible churches (church-ianity) have married the OC with the NC.

The Book of Daniel is about Israel as is the whole bible.

The book of Revelation is for the Church before the Rapture (Rev. 2 and 3) and for the Martyrs who get saved after the Rapture. And for the Jews who flee Judea after coming to Christ Jesus their Messiah (Rev. 12 is the Woman/Israel and Rev. 7 is the 144,000 who are the 3-5 million fleeing Jews).

Edit: instead of blending all the biblical topics, in a string of your understanding, try selecting a single topic, and we can take it from there.

It might be hard to keep up with everything I know, I will try to slow down a wee bit.....DARK HUMOR.

 

[Randy Kluth]

The beast that rises out of the sea or multitudes of people, will be a literal individual human man, and is described with (Personal Pronouns) He, His, Him

I agree, the Beast will be a man, the Antichrist. But the greater context involves the 4th Beast Daniel mentions in Dan 7. The 4th Beast is the Roman Empire. This Empire will continue on through history in the form of European Civilization, long after the fall of Rome in 476 AD.

So, the Beast can be referred to as both a political system and a man. Daniel described the Beast as a political system consisting of 10 states and 7 political leaders, presided over by an emperor, the Antichrist. This will come out of Europe, just as it has been doing since the Roman Empire.