Hidden In Him
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A question concerning “falling away” it seems to be connected to “a stony heart” …(just an opinion) but there is no mention of where God said “I will removed the stony heart and give you a heart of flesh and a new spirit” ; it doesn’t say the new heart God gives does not endure (there is a root?) but instead the stony places where there is no root.
Luke 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
Matthew 13:20-21 seems to go even further with by and by when persecution and tribulation arises he is offended. “But he that received the seed into stony places the same is he that hears the word, and anon with joy receives it; [21] Yet hath he no root in himself, but endures for a while: for when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, by and by he is offended.”
when tribulation and persecutions “arise”
Matthew 10:21-22 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. [22] And you shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endures to the end shall be saved.
I’ve heard concerning the parable the stony places, a stony heart only speaks of the Jews? If that is so then why is it taught the falling away is on the horizon and among the gentiles?
The above are some of the reasons why "falling away" can be a bit of a misleading translation. There are many that quote the verse as in reference to what is happening in the church right now, and how many are falling away from the true faith. The problem is that Paul was teaching the Thessalonians that the apostasy he was referring to was something they should be looking for, and specifically in connection with the arrival of the Antichrist. Only those who think the arrival of the Antichrist (and I am not among them) is imminent could therefore apply this verse to today. If it's a reference to the Jews then this puts the event father into the future, though the Muslims are certainly a threat that looms at all times. But among other things there would have to be a unified Islamic Caliphate on earth (and very powerful; an empire), and a treaty established between that empire and the nation of Israel, and also a literal temple rebuilt in Jerusalem for the Jews.
About those that interpret the stony ground as only speaking of the Jews, that's... almost racist, LoL. The first people to bear 30, 60 and 100 fold for the Lord Jesus Christ were all Jews, and continued to be for the better part of a decade until the gospel was finally preached unto the Gentiles.