The death penalty...

[Lambano]

The problem is that our justice system itself depends on human beings and is subject to mistakes, political pressure, fraud, incompetence, etc.

A variety of individuals are claimed to have been innocent victims of the death penalty. Newly available DNA evidence has allowed the exoneration and release of more than 20 death row inmates since 1992 in the United States, but DNA evidence is available in only a fraction of capital cases. More than 185 people who were sentenced to death in the United States have been exonerated and released since 1973, with official misconduct and perjury/false accusation the leading causes of their wrongful convictions. The Death Penalty Information Center (U.S.) has published a partial listing of wrongful executions that, as of the end of 2020, identified 20 death-row prisoners who were "executed but possibly innocent".
(Source: Wrongful execution - Wikipedia. See also Innocence Project )

Twenty "possible" cases of judicial murder. 185 cases that in another era would've been judicial murder.

 

[prism]

God’s standards don’t change, only we do…


Genesis 9:5-6 KJV
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. [6] Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.


Romans 13:1-4 KJV
[1] Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. [2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. [3] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: [4] For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

 

[Enoch111]

Indeed so. But what is execution but state sanctioned murder?

If that were so, then God would not stand behind executions. But the fact that He does means that it is NOT murder but the administration of justice (Rom 13:1-4).
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

So your response sounds like what bleeding-heart liberals would say (and they are liberal only until they are personally affected). All these rich radical Leftists who were shouting to "Defund The Police" and "Ban Capital Punishment" hired themselves serious fire power by surrounding themselves with personal security details. Had someone threatened their personal security he would be dead.

 

[Nancy]

Do you think it a good thing that a person who struggles with certain sin (worth the death penalty) and has begged God, for decades to remove the urges, but the urges still crop up at times. The person is not actively living in this sin, as they love the Lord and only want to STOP sin altogether yet...the one that "so besets" them just stays and tortures them in many ways and, probably daily, the ones who want nothing more than to be free of it? Would suicide be the answer for them? In a sense, it would free the one struggling and would placate those who would love to see them gone so they don't pollute the Church?
Kind of like, fall on your sword kind of thing, like Saul in the O.T.? I mean, they will probably not enter the Kingdom anyhow so, why not just get it over with and start the everlasting lake of fire, accept it and know you deserve it.
This kind of thing can sound morbid to most yet, it sounds like release to many others.
So, whatcha think??

 

[Lambano]

Sorry, Nancy. I missed the ironic tone in your post. My bad.

 

[Nancy]

Sorry, Nancy. I missed the ironic tone in your post. My bad.

Ha!! Yeah, sarcasm has been rearing it's ugly head...

 

[dev553344]

Do you think it a good thing that a person who struggles with certain sin (worth the death penalty) and has begged God, for decades to remove the urges, but the urges still crop up at times. The person is not actively living in this sin, as they love the Lord and only want to STOP sin altogether yet...the one that "so besets" them just stays and tortures them in many ways and, probably daily, the ones who want nothing more than to be free of it? Would suicide be the answer for them? In a sense, it would free the one struggling and would placate those who would love to see them gone so they don't pollute the Church?
Kind of like, fall on your sword kind of thing, like Saul in the O.T.? I mean, they will probably not enter the Kingdom anyhow so, why not just get it over with and start the everlasting lake of fire, accept it and know you deserve it.
This kind of thing can sound morbid to most yet, it sounds like release to many others.
So, whatcha think??

I think only the good die young:

 

[Nancy]

I think only the good die young:

So then, that just means that everyone should die old..."none good, no not one"

The problem is that our justice system itself depends on human beings and is subject to mistakes, political pressure, fraud, incompetence, etc.

A variety of individuals are claimed to have been innocent victims of the death penalty. Newly available DNA evidence has allowed the exoneration and release of more than 20 death row inmates since 1992 in the United States, but DNA evidence is available in only a fraction of capital cases. More than 185 people who were sentenced to death in the United States have been exonerated and released since 1973, with official misconduct and perjury/false accusation the leading causes of their wrongful convictions. The Death Penalty Information Center (U.S.) has published a partial listing of wrongful executions that, as of the end of 2020, identified 20 death-row prisoners who were "executed but possibly innocent".
(Source: Wrongful execution - Wikipedia. See also Innocence Project )

Twenty "possible" cases of judicial murder. 185 cases that in another era would've been judicial murder.

Have you ever seen this movie?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0289992/

Not an "upbeat movie, and it's old. It just kind of, shocked me!

 

[Mugre Pinzon]

So I wonder what you all make of capital punishment?

I'm for it.

 

[Lambano]

So then, that just means that everyone should die old..."none good, no not one"


Have you ever seen this movie?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0289992/

Not an "upbeat movie, and it's old. It just kind of, shocked me!

I haven’t seen that one, but I recommend John Grisham’s The Innocent Man. This book documents a true case of how wrongful convictions by coerced false confessions occur. Not one of my favorite Grisham books. Very depressing. At least they were able to exonerate the guy before they executed him.

 

[dev553344]

So then, that just means that everyone should die old..."none good, no not one"


Have you ever seen this movie?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0289992/

Not an "upbeat movie, and it's old. It just kind of, shocked me!

Unless you smoke cigarettes, then you can receive your own capital punishment and die young.

 

[Nancy]

I haven’t seen that one, but I recommend John Grisham’s The Innocent Man, documents a true case of how wrongful convictions by coerced false confessions occur. Not one of my favorite Grisham books. Very depressing.

I used to keep up with all my favorite writers, for decades! And, J.G. was def. one of them, I love courtroom dramas! And, read all of his up till about 9 or so yrs ago? give or take.
Has been a reeeealy long time since I have even looked into what has been new by them all! Good to know Grisham's still at it!

 

[Nancy]

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I used to keep up with all my favorite writers, for decades! And, J.G. was def. one of them, I love courtroom dramas! And, read all of his up till about 9 or so yrs ago? give or take.
Has been a reeeealy long time since I have even looked into what has been new by them all! Good to know Grisham's still at it!

This has to be my favorite book of his:
A Time to Kill (Jake Brigance, #1) by John Grisham

 

[Lambano]

I used to keep up with all my favorite writers, for decades! And, J.G. was def. one of them, I love courtroom dramas! And, read all of his up till about 9 or so yrs ago? give or take.
Has been a reeeealy long time since I have even looked into what has been new by them all! Good to know Grisham's still at it!

On this same subject, Grisham wrote one called The Confession which, while fictional, is even more depressing because an innocent black kid gets executed, and nobody cares.

 

[Lambano]

This has to be my favorite book of his:
A Time to Kill (Jake Brigance, #1) by John Grisham

I liked that one too!

 

[prism]

Do you think it a good thing that a person who struggles with certain sin (worth the death penalty) and has begged God, for decades to remove the urges, but the urges still crop up at times. The person is not actively living in this sin, as they love the Lord and only want to STOP sin altogether yet...the one that "so besets" them just stays and tortures them in many ways and, probably daily, the ones who want nothing more than to be free of it? Would suicide be the answer for them? In a sense, it would free the one struggling and would placate those who would love to see them gone so they don't pollute the Church?
Kind of like, fall on your sword kind of thing, like Saul in the O.T.? I mean, they will probably not enter the Kingdom anyhow so, why not just get it over with and start the everlasting lake of fire, accept it and know you deserve it.
This kind of thing can sound morbid to most yet, it sounds like release to many others.
So, whatcha think??

Isn't this assuming those who receive the free pardon of their sins through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ will be exposed to God's death penalty? My take...

John 5:24 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

 

[2ndRateMind]

It just occurs to me to note that those in favour of capital punishment seem to quote the Old Testament to justify their views on this topic; I am unashamedly New Testament in outlook.

Best wishes, 2RM

 

[2ndRateMind]

I'm for it.

Would you still be for it if you were accused and found guilty of a murder you did not commit?

 

[Lambano]

Unless you smoke cigarettes, then you can receive your own capital punishment and die young.

The lucky ones get lung cancer and die fairly quickly. The unlucky ones get emphysema and have to drag oxygen bottles around with them while they slowly suffocate over a period of years. My father-in-law was one of the lucky ones. My mom was one of the unlucky ones.

 

[Nancy]

Unless you smoke cigarettes, then you can receive your own capital punishment and die young.

Yes, tru dat, slow suicide - one can even eat badly, never exercise and die of a massive stroke or heart attack!

On this same subject, Grisham wrote one called The Confession which, while fictional, is even more depressing because an innocent black kid gets executed, and nobody cares.

Oh yes! I remember! Trying to remember the one where the man who is behind bars turns out to be the grandfather of the lawyer (not sure if it was Jake in that one or not) I think it was the Chamber...awesome and twisty!