When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

[dad]

1 Thessalonians 5:1-4KJV
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Good point. Since you apparently do not expect His gathering us together in the air before the wrath of God it will be a surprise to you. Glad you admit it.

2 Peter 3:10KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

The end part of that period known as the day of the Lord will see the heavens and earth be made new. That of course will not be before He reigns here as He says for 1000 years.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

1) People........WHO.......BELIEVE (but are NOT CONVERTED.)
2) People........WHO.......BELIEVE (who ARE CONVERTED.)

THE DIFFERENCE....?? SAME AS TODAY.
The Converted....ARE SAVED, while alive in their flesh.
The NOT Converted....SHALL BE SAVED, when their flesh physically dies....
“IF” they continue (endure) Believing to the day of their physical death.

People who Believe (but are NOT Converted)...the Lord is “WITH” them.
People who Believe (and ARE Converted)...the Lord is “WITH & IN” them.
Big Difference!

People who Believe (but are NOT Converted)...CAN fall away from Believing.
People who Believe (and ARE Converted)...CAN NEVER fall away from Believing.

The WARNING to the “Churches” all through Scripture, and Revelations...IS
(Not a message to the “buildings”)....BUT IS a Message to the “PEOPLE” WHO are “WITH” the Lord......but NOT “With & In” the Lord.

Warning to KEEP THEIR GARMENTS CLEAN...is specific to the “believers WHO ARE NOT “converted””....but SHALL BE SAVED...at the time of their physical Death.

The Converted require NO WARNING to “keep their garments clean”...
They ARE KEPT, by the POWER OF GOD “IN” THEM!

Taken, even though you didn't supply corroborating proof texts, I recognize them anyway, but I see a different interpretation of those texts.

 

[Oseas]

Once the Word of GOD says it is nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, understand it, there will not be any kind of "Federation" or Confederations-for examples-, and also united groups which there still are today as :
UN - United Nations Organization
NATO - North Atlantic Treaty Organization
OAS - Organization of American States
WTO - World Trade Organization
UNESCO - United Nations Organization for Education, Science and Culture
OECD - Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
BIRD - International Bank for Reconstruction and Development.
IMF - International Monetary Fund
WHO - World Health Organization
ILO - International Labor Organization,
G-7
G-20
among others.

ALL, but ALL, will be destroied, will be DISSOLVED, yeah, DISSOLVED, DISMANTLED, like a GIGANTIC IMPLOSION, by analogy, something like the INIMAGINABLE fall of the two TOWERS of the WTC-Word Trade Center, so the confusion or mess is done, in other words, the hell's fire starts to burn, the eternal fire, yeah, forever and ever.

For better understand of you and ALL, I remember 2 Peter 3:v.7 to 18:
7 But the HEAVENS and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the Day of Judgment (the Lord's Day) and perdition of ungodly men.

Nothing is dissolved until after our 1000 yr rule here.

Didn't you read above 2 Peter 3:v.7? Or you did read but believe not in the Word of GOD? By the way, the Word is GOD, do you understand? Around two thousand years ago GOD said by His Word: "The heavens and the earth, which are now ... ", and you, contradicting the own GOD, are preaching "Nothing is dissolved until after our 1000 yr rule here". You are sleeping deeply. wake up! Wake up fast. Hope you have oil, otherwise...

Romans 9:v.28 - GOD will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

 

[ewq1938]

Didn't you read above 2 Peter 3:v.7? Or you did read but believe not in the Word of GOD? By the way, the Word is GOD, do you understand? Around two thousand years ago GOD said by His Word: "The heavens and the earth, which are now ... ", and you, contradicting the own GOD, are preaching "Nothing is dissolved until after our 1000 yr rule here". You are sleeping deeply. wake up! Wake up fast. Hope you have oil, otherwise

No, he is correct. You are the one misunderstanding both Revelation 20 and 2 Peter 3:v.7

The Earth is not dissolved or burned at the second coming. That doesn't happen until over a thousand years later after the Great White Throne Judgement (GWTJ) is over and the unsaved are in the lake of fire. Only after that did John see the New Heaven and new Earth, Revelation 21.

 

[dad]

Didn't you read above 2 Peter 3:v.7?

Yes, and I will post the verse

2 Peter 3:7
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

We know when that day is. At the end of the day of the Lord which includes the 1000 yr reign on earth.
Lest there be any doubt we see in the next verse it talks about 1000 years!
2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day
So when talking about the Judgment that comes at the end of the 1000 years we are reminded that this is not a long time to God.

Or you did read but believe not in the Word of GOD?

I happen to know what I read.

By the way, the Word is GOD, do you understand?

Yes, I do, but what has that to do with your self righteous attitude or flatland level interpretation of the Scripture?

Around two thousand years ago GOD said by His Word: "The heavens and the earth, which are now ... ", and you, contradicting the own GOD, are preaching "Nothing is dissolved until after our 1000 yr rule here"

The heavens we now see will pass away one day. Not when Jesus barely touches down at His return! He then rules here with us for a thousand years. Then there is a new heavens and earth. You conflate events in the day of the Lord and then accuse others of having it wrong.

. You are sleeping deeply. wake up! Wake up fast. Hope you have oil, otherwise...

Save the self righteous threat attempts for someone that doesn't know far far far better.

Romans 9:v.28 - GOD will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

Yes He will. That includes the short work He makes of the wicked when He returns, and that involves the 1000 years He tells us about. You cannot wave it away, nor stuff all events prophesied in that day of the Lord into afternoon teatime. There needs to be a balance and belief in all that Scripture prophesies rather than a fanatical assault on the bible trying to get it to say what you want while ignoring important passages whole of cloth.

 

[ewq1938]

The heavens we now see will pass away one day. Not when Jesus barely touches down at His return! He then rules here with us for a thousand years. Then there is a new heavens and earth.

Plus none of the unsaved nor satan will ever be on the new Earth. Satan isn't destroyed at the second coming so if the New Heaven and new Earth was at the second coming, satan and the unsaved would be there and that just isn't correct. The Earth does not dissolve or burn etc until all the wicked are in the lake of fire. Amillennialism has the new Earth populated by the wicked.

 

[dad]

Plus none of the unsaved nor satan will ever be on the new Earth. Satan isn't destroyed at the second coming so if the New Heaven and new Earth was at the second coming, satan and the unsaved would be there and that just isn't correct. The Earth does not dissolve or burn etc until all the wicked are in the lake of fire. Amillennialism has the new Earth populated by the wicked.

There does seem to be a lot of reasons why God needs to do what he said He would do and have the 1000 year period.

 

[Oseas]

No, he is correct. You are the one misunderstanding both Revelation 20 and 2 Peter 3:v.7

The Earth is not dissolved or burned at the second coming. That doesn't happen until over a thousand years later after the Great White Throne Judgement (GWTJ) is over and the unsaved are in the lake of fire. Only after that did John see the New Heaven and new Earth, Revelation 21.

GOD is not speaking by His Word about the Planet Earth, but against the world of Devil and its evil and devilish works, so Dad is not correct and you are covering his mislead, unfortunately. In this case, your thinking is from human perspective, not from GOD's perspective.

2 Peter 3:v.10-14
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens (the first and second heavens) shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements (the wicked mankind with their religions, and organizations, and all kind of satanic structures built by the men social, cultural, politic, economic, military, among others) shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the WORKS that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that ALL THESE THINGS shall be DISSOLVED (DISMANTLED), what manner of PERSONS ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the Day of God (Lord's Day), wherein the heavens being on fire shall be DISSOLVED(DISMANTLED), and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens (new heavens? What will be the next? Will not be the third heaven? and after the millennium, the heaven of the heavens? and a new earth (not new Planet, but an PURIFIED earth) wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.-Otherwise...

1 Corinthians 3:v.13-15
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day (the Lord's day)shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by FIRE (GOD IS A CONSUMING/ A DEVOURING FIRE, UNDERSTAND? The Word is GOD); and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


Revelation 6:v.14 to
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll (what heaven? if the next is the third heaven?) when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved (DISMANTLED)out of their places. (what mountain? what island? don't you know?)

15 And the kings (THE RULERS, ALL THE RULERS) of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him that sitteth on the throne - throne showed in Revelation 4 - , and from the WRATH the Lamb:

17 For the great Day of His wrath is come-Revelation 11:v.18-; and who shall be able to stand?

Be careful or get ready

P.S.
Isaiah 33:v.10 to 14
14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

 

[Oseas]

The heavens we now see will pass away one day. Not when Jesus barely touches down at His return! He then rules here with us for a thousand years. Then there is a new heavens and earth. You conflate events in the day of the Lord and then accuse others of having it wrong.
Save the self righteous threat attempts for someone that doesn't know far far far better.

What are the heavens you now see?
By the way, do you know what is/are heaven/heavens? You MUST know as a interpret of Scriptures. GOD created several heavens. Which ones are reserved for the fire at this first moment? You MUST know as a interpret of Scriptures.

What does the Word of GOD say? The Word is GOD. Isaiah 40:v.21-22
21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and SPREADETH them out as a tent to dwell in:

That said, what are the heavens you now see? Which ones are reserved for the fire at this current time? GOD is in heaven and He is a devouring/consuming fire. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

Yes, and I will post the verse
2 Peter 3:7
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

We know when that day is. At the end of the day of the Lord which includes the 1000 yr reign on earth.
Lest there be any doubt we see in the next verse it talks about 1000 years!
2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day
So when talking about the Judgment that comes at the end of the 1000 years we are reminded that this is not a long time to God.

I happen to know what I read.
Yes, I do, but what has that to do with your self righteous attitude or flatland level interpretation of the Scripture?

The heavens we now see will pass away one day. Not when Jesus barely touches down at His return! He then rules here with us for a thousand years. Then there is a new heavens and earth. You conflate events in the day of the Lord and then accuse others of having it wrong.
Save the self righteous threat attempts for someone that doesn't know far far far better.

Yes He will. That includes the short work He makes of the wicked when He returns, and that involves the 1000 years He tells us about. You cannot wave it away, nor stuff all events prophesied in that day of the Lord into afternoon teatime. There needs to be a balance and belief in all that Scripture prophesies rather than a fanatical assault on the bible trying to get it to say what you want while ignoring important passages whole of cloth.

What does the Word of GOD say?
JESUS warned: Matt. 24:v.6-8:

VERSE 6 - Ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the END is not yet. (Comment: What JESUS said is that the END is not yet, it is not in the beginning of sorows, but in sequence the END comes-1Corinthians 15:v.24-27) Actually, Matthew 24:v.6 here highlighted is fulfilling literally and will continue in future by indefinite days, day after day).

VERSE 7 - For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: (Comments: Understand, for now the fulfilment of this prophecy is in stand by because we are in the beginning of sorrows. Actually, the extension of this prophecy goes far, so far, inimaginable, because the chastisements have its beginning, yeah, its beginning, but it WILL NEVER END, it WILL NEVER STOP, BUT NEVER, the punishment is ETERNAL, it is for ever and ever, understand? Once the Word of GOD says it is nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, understand it, there will not be any kind of "Federation" or Confederations-for examples-, and also united groups which there still are today as :
UN - United Nations Organization
NATO - North Atlantic Treaty Organization
OAS - Organization of American States
WTO - World Trade Organization
UNESCO - United Nations Organization for Education, Science and Culture
OECD - Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
BIRD - International Bank for Reconstruction and Development.
IMF - International Monetary Fund
WHO - World Health Organization
ILO - International Labor Organization,
G-7
G-20
among others.

ALL, but ALL, will be destroied, will be DISSOLVED, yeah, DISSOLVED, DISMANTLED, like a GIGANTIC IMPLOSION, by analogy, something like the INIMAGINABLE fall of the two TOWERS of the WTC-Word Trade Center, so the confusion or mess is done, in other words, the hell's fire starts to burn, the eternal fire, yeah, forever and ever.

For better understand of you and ALL, I remember 2 Peter 3:v.7 to 18:
7 But the HEAVENS and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the Day of Judgment (the Lord's Day) and perdition of ungodly men.

10 But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the HEAVENS shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the WORKS that are therein shall be burned up.

 

[dad]

What are the heavens you now see?
By the way, do you know what is/are heaven/heavens? You MUST know as a interpret of Scriptures. GOD created several heavens. Which ones are reserved for the fire at this first moment? You MUST know as a interpret of Scriptures.

Well, what is the day of the Lord? IN that time the heavens pass away. Get over the unsupportable idea that the day of the Lord, that includes the 1000 years is just a few moments or hours. There is no possibility that prophesy could be fulfilled in that time. Why ignore Scripture?

What does the Word of GOD say? The Word is GOD. Isaiah 40:v.21-22
21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and SPREADETH them out as a tent to dwell in:

Is the fact that the word was God news to you? Did you think others here would not know the obvious? What has that got to do with you casting off parts of prophesy by trying to stuff the plethora of events that happen in the day of the Lord into mere moments? Did you think by bolding some words or colouring some words would cover your abysmal lack of understanding of what you read?

That said, what are the heavens you now see? Which ones are reserved for the fire at this current time? GOD is in heaven and He is a devouring/consuming fire. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

There is no world wide burning of the planet when Jesus comes period.

What does the Word of GOD say?
JESUS warned: Matt. 24:v.6-8:

VERSE 6 - Ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the END is not yet. (Comment: What JESUS said is that the END is not yet, it is not in the beginning of sorows, but in sequence the END comes-1Corinthians 15:v.24-27) Actually, Matthew 24:v.6 here highlighted is fulfilling literally and will continue in future by indefinite days, day after day).

VERSE 7 - For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: (Comments: Understand, for now the fulfilment of this prophecy is in stand by because we are in the beginning of sorrows. Actually, the extension of this prophecy goes far, so far, inimaginable, because the chastisements have its beginning, yeah, its beginning, but it WILL NEVER END, it WILL NEVER STOP, BUT NEVER, the punishment is ETERNAL, it is for ever and ever, understand? Once the Word of GOD says it is nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, understand it, there will not be any kind of "Federation" or Confederations-for examples-, and also united groups which there still are today as :
UN - United Nations Organization
NATO - North Atlantic Treaty Organization
OAS - Organization of American States
WTO - World Trade Organization
UNESCO - United Nations Organization for Education, Science and Culture
OECD - Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
BIRD - International Bank for Reconstruction and Development.
IMF - International Monetary Fund
WHO - World Health Organization
ILO - International Labor Organization,
G-7
G-20
among others.

Why worry about wars or alphabet soup organizations? Do you think that helps you wave away prophesy?

ALL, but ALL, will be destroied, will be DISSOLVED, yeah, DISSOLVED, DISMANTLED, like a GIGANTIC IMPLOSION, by analogy, something like the INIMAGINABLE fall of the two TOWERS of the WTC-Word Trade Center, so the confusion or mess is done, in other words, the hell's fire starts to burn, the eternal fire, yeah, forever and ever.

Not before the proper time at the end of the 1000 years. You simply do not get to wave them away or all the sequence of events in them.

For better understand of you and ALL, I remember 2 Peter 3:v.7 to 18:
7 But the HEAVENS and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the Day of Judgment (the Lord's Day) and perdition of ungodly men.

You were already told when that was. Why parrot like a child?

10 But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the HEAVENS shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the WORKS that are therein shall be burned up.

Absolutely. IN the which lots will happen, including us rule the earth with Him for many centuries.

 

[Truth7t7]

Get over the unsupportable idea that the day of the Lord, that includes the 1000 years is just a few moments or hours. There is no possibility that prophesy could be fulfilled in that time. Why ignore Scripture?

Is the fact that the word was God news to you? Did you think others here would not know the obvious? What has that got to do with you casting off parts of prophesy by trying to stuff the plethora of events that happen in the day of the Lord into mere moments? Did you think by bolding some words or colouring some words would cover your abysmal lack of understanding of what you read?

There is no world wide burning of the planet when Jesus comes period.



Why worry about wars or alphabet soup organizations? Do you think that helps you wave away prophesy?

Not before the proper time at the end of the 1000 years. You simply do not get to wave them away or all the sequence of events in them.

You were already told when that was. Why parrot like a child?



Absolutely. IN the which lots will happen, including us rule the earth with Him for many centuries.

1 Corinthians 15:23-26 & 51-54KJV
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[dad]

1 Corinthians 15:23-26 & 51-54KJV
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Rather than spamming verses as if you understood them or they supported your attack on bible prophesy, tell us in your own words what you think they mean. Spamming incessantly is not honest or godly. Putting on a facade of having the bible support your weak opinions is not honest.

 

[Truth7t7]

Rather than spamming verses as if you understood them or they supported your attack on bible prophesy, tell us in your own words what you think they mean. Spamming incessantly is not honest or godly. Putting on a facade of having the bible support your weak opinions is not honest.

2 Timothy 3:16-17KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[dad]

2 Timothy 3:16-17KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Proverbs 8:5
O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.

 

[Truth7t7]

Proverbs 8:5
O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.

Proverbs 8:13KJV
13 The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

 

[Timtofly]

Nor will it be until after the 1000 years. That doesn't mean we will not have it as our home. You see that is the tabernacle of God and where He is so will we be.

The majority of redeemed are already there.

You claim they leave their current home for 1,000 years. My point is they never leave Paradise to live on earth, until after the 1,000 years.

 

[dad]

Proverbs 8:13KJV
13 The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Proverbs 19:25
Smite a scorner, and the simple will beware: and reprove one that hath understanding, and he will understand knowledge.


Hey, I can do this all day

 

[dad]

The majority of redeemed are already there.

You claim they leave their current home for 1,000 years. My point is they never leave Paradise to live on earth, until after the 1,000 years.

Someone has to leave their Home, including Jesus to rule here. That does not mean we do not commute to work from our home! After all, not like it takes more than a blink of an eye to get there or back.

 

[Timtofly]

Someone has to leave their Home, including Jesus to rule here. That does not mean we do not commute to work from our home! After all, not like it takes more than a blink of an eye to get there or back.

You do realize it is for only one day. Certainly Jesus can leave the "wife and kids" for his day job, at least "once"?

Normally the whole family does not come to work. Not even enough "days" to "bring the kid to work" day.

This world is not our home. Rarely has God let those in heaven actually come to earth even in the 7 days with the Lord, much less during the thousands of years humans on earth have endured.

Elijah allegedly came back. Moses and Elijah appeared to 3 of the disciples. Gabriel came to earth several times. There is literally no precedent where the sons of God returned and literally ruled on the earth. None of the OT redeemed have returned, and literally ruled on earth in the last 2,000 years. Why would that all change for the last 1,000 year reign of Christ?

We are told who lives and reigns on earth in Revelation 20:4. Those just beheaded. Going by the apocalyptic parables of Jesus during the earthly ministry, the sheep, and wheat of the final harvest, will also be on earth for those 1,000 years. And the 144k like the original disciples will be leaders in those 1,000 years in similar fashion as the disciples who planted the NT church among the Gentiles. The difference being they live the whole time, and never die. Those disciples in the first century had to shed their flesh and blood and went home.

Those who start the Millennium can never die, so never need to have replacement "elections" to vote any one in or out of office. Besides it does not take billions of glorified humans to rule on earth. Earth will do just fine with the firstfruits of the Second Coming, itself. The glorified church is the firstfruits of the previous 6,000 years. At the Second Coming, the 6th Seal, Christ the Prince starts a fresh earthly ministry, with a fresh set of disciples. The family is safe at home.

 

[dad]

You do realize it is for only one day. Certainly Jesus can leave the "wife and kids" for his day job, at least "once"?

No. I do not realize that ruling on the earth for a thousand years is one day. The person that dies at 100 years old and is considered a child in that time won't think of it as a day either.

Normally the whole family does not come to work. Not even enough "days" to "bring the kid to work" day.

Heaven does not get bound to what is normal today.

This world is not our home. Rarely has God let those in heaven actually come to earth even in the 7 days with the Lord, much less during the thousands of years humans on earth have endured.

Since He is returning with His saints, obviously that all changes. Even the angels and God will live here also.

Elijah allegedly came back. Moses and Elijah appeared to 3 of the disciples. Gabriel came to earth several times. There is literally no precedent where the sons of God returned and literally ruled on the earth

The sons of god that married women must have spent some time here.

. None of the OT redeemed have returned, and literally ruled on earth in the last 2,000 years. Why would that all change for the last 1,000 year reign of Christ?

None of them lived on the earth when Jesus had returned. His return to earth changes things.

We are told who lives and reigns on earth in Revelation 20:4.

Revelation 20:3
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

That is during the 1000 years, not after. Nor does it say that the tribulation saints were the only ones alive! In fact they cannot be since they also help rule here.

Going by the apocalyptic parables of Jesus during the earthly ministry, the sheep, and wheat of the final harvest, will also be on earth for those 1,000 years. And the 144k like the original disciples will be leaders in those 1,000 years in similar fashion as the disciples who planted the NT church among the Gentiles. The difference being they live the whole time, and never die. Those disciples in the first century had to shed their flesh and blood and went home.

Those who start the Millennium can never die,

Says who? We reign over people you know. Even though they live long like people before the flood did, they are not immortal! It depends on whether you consider this passage to be in the millennium or not..

18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.

24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

I don't think there are sinners in the new earth! Do you? So that portion, that includes a child dying must be before that in the 1000 years as far as I can tell.

so never need to have replacement "elections" to vote any one in or out of office. Besides it does not take billions of glorified humans to rule on earth.

Who said it did? Yet He says we shall reign with Him. Go figure. Now whether all of us every day need to help out on earth or not is not really known, nor is it important to the topic here.

Earth will do just fine with the firstfruits of the Second Coming, itself. The glorified church is the firstfruits of the previous 6,000 years. At the Second Coming, the 6th Seal, Christ the Prince starts a fresh earthly ministry, with a fresh set of disciples. The family is safe at home.

Do you have a verse about the 'firstfruits of the second coming' being the only people alive on earth in that day?