HERESY?

[Jim B]

He never ceased to have the attributes of Deity even when on earth...

Interesting that the Lord Jesus said in John 1.48: "Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee."

Wow, I am so happy that I don't use the King James Version. Jesus was a Galilean Jew who spoke Aramaic. Jesus and Nathanael spoke more like this: "Nathanael asked him, “How do you know me?” Jesus replied, “Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you.” NET v2.1

or perhaps "Nathanael said, “Where did you get that idea? You don’t know me.” Jesus answered, “One day, long before Philip called you here, I saw you under the fig tree.” The Message

 

[Keiw]

Concerning post #1879, there is no "twisting" at all.

You should not be preaching Judaism on a Christian forum and worse still attacking the very essence of Christianity, namely Jesus Christ himself.
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No one comes to the Father except through me( Jesus) -- the Father is the destination, to accomplish this-John 4:22-24

 

[Cooper]

No one comes to the Father except through me( Jesus) -- the Father is the destination, to accomplish this-John 4:22-24

John 4:22 "Ye worship, ye know not what." That was said by Jesus to the apostate Samaritans and Jews who incorporated the worship of idols with the worship of the Jewish god.
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[GodsGrace]

Are the words "God in three persons" in the Bible?
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No.
Of course not.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Yet Jesus has a GOD!!!

Well DUH!!!! Jesus was a fully HUMAN MAN, and As a HUMAN MAN, Got the Father was His God, as well as ours.

and the apostles call him "a man"

Well DUH!!! Jesus was a man, Captain obvious!!!!

Jesus is constantly contrasted with and distinguished from God, his Father!!!

Well DUH!!!! Jesus is a PHYSICAL BEING, and Father God is a SPIRITUAL BEING. That's a pretty good contrast right there don'cha think???

Jesus Christ has a God. Jesus speaks of his God, Peter Paul and John mention the God of Jesus Christ. Are they all mistaken?

Nope. Nobody's mistaken - except for whatever silly "Theological Point" you're unsuccessfully trying to make. Jesus was a HUMAN MAN - who happened to be Father God's ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. So the fact that the MAN JESUS had a SPIRITUAL FATHER/God (by some process that NO HUMAN could ever even start to understand) is no Problem whatsoever - except maybe for your foolish theological paradigms.

 

[GodsGrace]

Well DUH!!!! Jesus was a fully HUMAN MAN, and As a HUMAN MAN, Got the Father was His God, as well as ours.

Well DUH!!! Jesus was a man, Captain obvious!!!!

Well DUH!!!! Jesus is a PHYSICAL BEING, and Father God is a SPIRITUAL BEING. That's a pretty good contrast right there don'cha think???

Nope. Nobody's mistaken - except for whatever silly "Theological Point" you're unsuccessfully trying to make. Jesus was a HUMAN MAN - who happened to be Father God's ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. So the fact that the MAN JESUS had a SPIRITUAL FATHER/God (by some process that NO HUMAN could ever even start to understand) is no Problem whatsoever - except maybe for your foolish theological paradigms.

LOL
My feelings exactly.
You're better at stating it though...

 

[Curtis]

What you cal a "Work" is actually a "FRUIT" of the existence of actual BIBLICAL FAITH in a person's life.

The Book of James is a "Litmus test" so that you can determine id what you "Call" FAITH - actually IS faith, or nothing more than mental assent accompanied by some Religious activity.

No, it’s what Paul called a work of faith,

Ergo, a work of faith is a biblical term.

 

[Truther]

No his God is YHWH(Jehovah)

No, Jesus inherited his name from his God per Heb 1:4.

This means his name belonged to his God first.

God did not just make up Jesus' name from a baby book, but named him after Himself.

This is why Jesus said "I am come in my Father's name.

 

[Cooper]

No.
Of course not.

The Trinity diagram would be fine if it had I AM in the centre and the word 'not' removed from the edges. Then it would read "The I AM is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.".
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[BloodBought 1953]

1. There are those these days that worship Paul more than Jesus. Hope you're not one of those


Paul was a wretched man who was worse than nothing until Jesus literally, “ showed him the Light” on the road to Damascus.....I admire him for the many things he said and endured—- nobody suffered more for the spreading of the Gospel than he did... yet, he “ fought the good fight and finished the race” ......he set a splendid example for us all.....I would hope to follow in his footsteps to at least “ some” degree.....I have great respect for Paul—-I’ll save any “ worship”” for Jesus......He was the One that Shed His Precious Blood for me—- not Paul.....

 

[GodsGrace]

1. There are those these days that worship Paul more than Jesus. Hope you're not one of those


Paul was a wretched man who was worse than nothing until Jesus literally, “ showed him the Light” on the road to Damascus.....I admire him for the many things he said and endured—- nobody suffered more for the spreading of the Gospel than he did... yet, he “ fought the good fight and finished the race” ......he set a splendid example for us all.....I would hope to follow in his footsteps to at least “ some” degree.....I have great respect for Paul—-I’ll save any “ worship”” for Jesus......He was the One that Shed His Precious Blood for me—- not Paul.....

You're replying to my post.
I agree with the above regarding Paul.
I just don't think we should worship him more than Jesus.

Some follow the words of Paul more than those of our Lord. He is actually saying the same teachings, but some believe Paul is teaching differently than Jesus a d prefer to follow Paul.
Just one big misunderstanding.

 

[GodsGrace]

The Trinity diagram would be fine if it had I AM in the centre and the word 'not' removed from the edges. Then it would read "The I AM is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.".
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You're not a Trinitarian.
You're confusing everyone on this thread.

The diagram is correct...
You are not.

It's not your place to replace the Trinity with your own ideas.

The Trinity/Gofhead was explained after Jesus by brains bigger than ours.

 

[Cooper]

You're not a Trinitarian.
You're confusing everyone on this thread.

The diagram is correct...
You are not.

It's not your place to replace the Trinity with your own ideas.

The Trinity/Gofhead was explained after Jesus by brains bigger than ours.

The Catholic Church, no doubt administered by false teachers, devised its doctrines three hundred plus years after Christ, and you rail against these latter false teachers. God is One and Jesus the I AM is God with us on earth and in heaven. I will search out a statement of faith when I have time that is Biblically correct and not devised by men. There is no need to fall out, or speak in anger. God loves a gentle heart. Peace.
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[Cooper]

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (1 John 5:7 KJV)

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. (Micah 5:2 KJV)

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. (Hebrews 13:8 KJV) thereby declaring Christ’s immutability "…that he is unchangeable; that he always was, is, and will be to all eternity, the same; that he is subject to no change either in his essence or in his perfections" (Wakefield, Vol. 1, p. 156). Cf. Php_2:6-8; Jas_1:17 and notes.

Note that the Incarnation was a change of estate, not nature. In the Incarnation, Christ:
(1) has all the fullness of the Godhead dwelling in Him (Col_2:9);

(2) is One with the Father (Joh_10:30);

(3) is Omnipotent (cf. Joh_5:19; Joh_7:9-13; Joh_7:19; Joh_7:21; Joh_10:17-18; Joh_11:43-44; Joh_16:15);

(4) is Omniscient (cf. Mat_11:21; Mat_11:23; Joh_2:24-25; Joh_6:64; Joh_16:15);

(5) is Omnipresent (cf. Mat_18:20; Mat_28:20; Joh_3:13);

(6) has all things whatsoever the Father has (Joh_16:15);

(7) has power to remove sin (cf. Mat_9:2; Mat_9:6);

(8) received worship as God (cf. Mat_2:11; Mat_8:1-2; Mat_14:33; Joh_9:35-38).

Thus, Jesus remains essentially and eternally the same throughout His profound mutations of estate—pre-Incarnation, Incarnation, death, resurrection, glorification—even for the ages of eternity! (LNT, fn i). T76-4,

Jesus is immutable. Heb_13:9, *Heb_1:12, +*Exo_3:14; Exo_3:15; Exo_38:1, Psa_90:2; Psa_90:4; *Psa_102:27; *Psa_102:28; Psa_103:17, Isa_41:4; Isa_44:6, +*Mal_3:6, Mat_12:32; +*Mat_28:19 note. +*Joh_8:35; Joh_8:56-58, 2Co_1:19-20, Php_2:6, 1Ti_6:16, **Jas_1:17, Rev_1:4; Rev_1:8; Rev_1:11; Rev_1:17-18.

yesterday. Psa_93:2, Isa_30:33; Isa_43:13; *Isa_63:16, +*Mic_5:2, Hab_1:12, Joh_1:1; Joh_1:15; *Joh_8:58, Col_1:17, Rev_4:8.

and. FS148, +Gen_8:22.

to day. FS22D4B, +Dan_7:9, Heb_3:15, Isa_46:4, *+Joh_8:58, +*Rev_1:8; Rev_4:8.

for ever. Gr. aion, +Mat_6:13, lit. unto the ages. Heb_13:21, **Heb_7:24; **Heb_7:25, Psa_9:7; *Psa_102:12, +*Isa_43:3; +*Isa_43:11; *Isa_63:16, Lam_5:19, Hab_3:6, Rom_1:25; Rom_9:5; Rom_11:36; **Rom_16:26; **Rom_16:27, 2Co_11:31, Rev_4:8.

From the Believers Bible commentary.
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[GodsGrace]

The Catholic Church, no doubt administered by false teachers, devised its doctrines three hundred plus years after Christ, and you rail against these latter false teachers. God is One and Jesus the I AM is God with us on earth and in heaven. I will search out a statement of faith when I have time that is Biblically correct and not devised by men. There is no need to fall out, or speak in anger. God loves a gentle heart. Peace.
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Sorry if I sounded angry. I'm not.
I'm not easily angered.

What statement of faith are you searching?
Is it from your church.

Jesus was believed to be God from the beginning.
Thomas said, My Lord a d My God. Ditto for Peter.
Not to mention the Sanhedrin whose leader tore his robe ,,, bad sign ,,, that was Caiaphas.

The Trinity was explained by those the Apostles taught. We cannot change the understanding of the Trinity ,, if we Could, then we could change Any teaching of Christianity !

Hope you post that statement.
The only statement should be from Any church since all denominations believe in the Trinity in the same way.

Any other belief is heretical.

 

[Cooper]

Sorry if I sounded angry. I'm not.
I'm not easily angered.

What statement of faith are you searching?
Is it from your church.

Jesus was believed to be God from the beginning.
Thomas said, My Lord a d My God. Ditto for Peter.
Not to mention the Sanhedrin whose leader tore his robe ,,, bad sign ,,, that was Caiaphas.

The Trinity was explained by those the Apostles taught. We cannot change the understanding of the Trinity ,, if we Could, then we could change Any teaching of Christianity !

Hope you post that statement.
The only statement should be from Any church since all denominations believe in the Trinity on the same way.

Any other belief is heretical.

I'm not sure all denominations believe the same. I was looking for one in my notes from years back, but they have disappeared, lost. Sad. So I posted a very comprehensive study from a commentary in #1934. I do not believe God can be divided.

Mat_12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

Mat_12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

Mar_3:24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

Mar_3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

Mar_3:26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
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[GodsGrace]

I'm not sure all denominations believe the same. I was looking for one in my notes from years back, but they have disappeared, lost. Sad. So I posted a very comprehensive study from a commentary in #1934. I do not believe God can be divided.
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But it's those of today that are dividing Him!

You didn't post the commentary, which is a personal opinion.

 

[Cooper]

But it's those of today that are dividing Him!

You didn't post the commentary, which is a personal opinion.

I did have on my computer two statements of faith from different churches but I cannot find them on my new computer. So, instead I have posted all the scripture which is even better than the words of men drawn up by the Catholic Church 300 plus years after Christ. See post #1934.

 

[GodsGrace]

I did have on my computer two statements of faith from different churches but I cannot find them on my new computer. So, instead I have posted all the scripture which is even better than the words of men drawn up by the Catholic Church 300 plus years after Christ. See post #1934.

It's long but looks good.
After dinner...

 

[Truther]

The Trinity diagram would be fine if it had I AM in the centre and the word 'not' removed from the edges. Then it would read "The I AM is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.".
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1=3?