John Calvin and Calvinism.

[Ronald Nolette]

Yeah. More than one believer.... PLURAL.... Geesh.



That is your claim. Not what the Scriptures declare.



You haven't asked me anything.... Mr. Pot.

Nor have I committed teh sin of presumption in telling you what you think or do as you have committed.

Yes more than one believer Paul was writing to, that is why he used the plural- a bunch of individuals all at once it is thatrs simple. This corporate election is a man made piece of trash.

so you believe God doesn't know who will or will not get saved? WOw! You need to read the New Testament more.

 

[PinSeeker]

PinSeeker: And I don't care.
Exactly! That is why you're a calvinist.

LOL! Well, I don't care that you were asking somebody else. I do care about your ignorance. But yeah, neither one of those is why I'm a Calvinist...

Grace and peace to you.

 

[reformed1689]

Nor have I committed teh sin of presumption in telling you what you think or do as you have committed.

Yes more than one believer Paul was writing to, that is why he used the plural- a bunch of individuals all at once it is thatrs simple. This corporate election is a man made piece of trash.

so you believe God doesn't know who will or will not get saved? WOw! You need to read the New Testament more.

I've never understood how anything being plural automatically makes it corporal. That literally makes no sense in any of the contexts where we find election and predestination. It is always a personal election but he did it more than once.

 

[Titus]

Allow God to save you? Do you not see what is wrong with that statement? Are you more powerful than God?

Do you not see what is wrong with your thinking?
Yes, God humbled Himself and became a living sacrifice for all of mankind.
God allowed Himself to be humiliated!

Yes, God allows us to choose Him, if we so desire.
What a loving mercyful God!

This has nothing to do with His power.

Remember, what Jesus said to Pilate?

"You could have no power/authority if it had not been given to you from My Father"?

God has throughout all of His creation of mankind,
Withheld His power to allow us to go against Him or follow Him.

Your god, is a dictator that rules without compassion.
He wills some to eternal life based on nothing they do.
He wills some to burn in eternal hellfire based on nothing they do for His good pleasure.

If the calvinist god, was real.
It would be morally right to not love Him, just as we are morally obligated to not love satan.

What kind of person would serve a god that would burn folks in hell for His own pleasure?

 

[Titus]

No, as now are limited by your sin nature and will not desire to get saved!

Thankyou for your honesty!
Tell Pinseeker. He can learn from you.
You and Lifelong sinner are honest about calvinist theology.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Acts 1:15
Acts 1:20
Acts 1:26
1 Tim 1:1-3

YOu are getting close thee faith!

Anything outrside of what has been preserved in the new testament is false doctrine! and should be resisted and fought against for teh sake of believers souls!

 

[reformed1689]

Do you not see what is wrong with your thinking?
Yes, God humbled Himself and became a living sacrifice for all of mankind.
God allowed Himself to be humiliated!

Yes, God allows us to choose Him, if we so desire.
What a loving mercyful God!

This has nothing to do with His power.

Remember, what Jesus said to Pilate?

"You could have no power/authority if it had not been given to you from My Father"?

God has throughout all of His creation of mankind,
Withheld His power to allow us to go against Him or follow Him.

Your god, is a dictator that rules without compassion.
He wills some to eternal life based on nothing they do.
He wills some to burn in eternal hellfire based on nothing they do for His good pleasure.

If the calvinist god, was real.
It would be morally right to not love Him, just as we are morally obligated to not love satan.

What kind of person would serve a god that would burn folks in hell for His own pleasure?

Nowhere does it say he sacrificed himself for all individuals. Jesus said he lays down his life for the sheep. We cannot choose God on our own. Not because it is not allowed, but because nobody wants to. Your quote of Jesus to Pilate actually supports my position by the way.

A dictator that rules without compassion? How on earth do you get that from anything I have said? I have said the complete OPPOSITE. The fact that he saves even one person shows mercy and compassion. And yes, he wills some to eternal life based on nothing that they do. Do you believe in a works-based salvation? And you are incorrect to say others burn based on nothing that they do, that is 100% false and a heresy. They burn because of their sin.

You question God. That is exactly what Paul warned against.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—

The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016), Ro 9:19–23.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Nor have I committed teh sin of presumption in telling you what you think or do as you have committed.

You don't know what I believe at all. You haven't asked. Just beating the air. I know what Calvinism teaches. Tell me you're not a Calvinist and I will ask.

Yes more than one believer Paul was writing to, that is why he used the plural- a bunch of individuals all at once it is thatrs simple. This corporate election is a man made piece of trash.

Yeah. You consider it trash. It is God's treasure. Yes. Plural is made up of 1s..... Geesh....

Like I said. Unnamed. You talk about yourself all the time. Jesus is more important and is the ONLY name that needs to be preached.

so you believe God doesn't know who will or will not get saved? WOw! You need to read the New Testament more.

I've extensive studied the Scriptures for decades. I know what it says. There is no such thing as the absence of Time. Eternal things are never ending time. Time is sequence. Order. Cause. Effect. Such never ceases to exist. It is established in the very character of Divinity.

I believe God knows everything knowable. God doesn't know His own Sin. He never will because it will never happen. He doesn't know the choices of those He has granted to make their own choice. Those somethings are very predictable.

For example....

Deu 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

 

[Titus]

Nowhere does it say he sacrificed himself for all individuals. Jesus said he lays down his life for the sheep. We cannot choose God on our own. Not because it is not allowed, but because nobody wants to. Your quote of Jesus to Pilate actually supports my position by the way.

A dictator that rules without compassion? How on earth do you get that from anything I have said? I have said the complete OPPOSITE. The fact that he saves even one person shows mercy and compassion. And yes, he wills some to eternal life based on nothing that they do. Do you believe in a works-based salvation? And you are incorrect to say others burn based on nothing that they do, that is 100% false and a heresy. They burn because of their sin.

You question God. That is exactly what Paul warned against.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—

The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016), Ro 9:19–23.

Let's pretend you are correct,
Jesus did not love everyone.
Therefore He only sacrificed Himself to save a few.

Is that a loving God?
Since every man will eventually sin against God.
That makes us all just as guilty.
Explain to me, why it is loving to send some to hell based on nothing they choose.
And send others to heaven, based on nothing they have done or choose?

If that is the true living God.
Then God is a sadistic god.

Thanks be to God, GOD IS LOVE!!!! Amen

 

[reformed1689]

Let's pretend you are correct,
Jesus did not love everyone.
Therefore He only sacrificed Himself to save a few.

Is that a loving God?
Since every man will eventually sin against God.
That makes us all just as guilty.
Explain to me, why it is loving to send some to hell based on nothing they choose.
And send others to heaven, based on nothing they have done or choose?

If that is the true living God.
Then God is a sadistic god.

Thanks be to God, GOD IS LOVE!!!! Amen

God is love, but he is also mercy, wrath, justice, you want to focus on one attribute and forget all others. That's not a real god, that's a made up god.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I've never understood how anything being plural automatically makes it corporal. That literally makes no sense in any of the contexts where we find election and predestination. It is always a personal election but he did it more than once.

Well the Arminius's had to come up with something because Paul said we have been chosen since the foundation of the world! They make it a corporation while God made it the individuals who make up that plural- you!

I am convinced it is nothing more than human pride psuhing people to come up with these silly ideas! Teh flesh wants to have some say in salvation and thus suirvive when we need to deny it, so they came up with free will, man chooses then God chooses etc.etc..

It is a scary thing to the flesh to know we have nothing to do with our being saved! Even our ability to say yes comes from god!

 

[Titus]

God is love, but he is also mercy, wrath, justice, you want to focus on one attribute and forget all others. That's not a real god, that's a made up god.

No Sir,
God will send more to hellfire than to heaven,
But why?
As the calvinist teach: For His good pleasure
Or
Because those bound for hell choose to live for sin rather than God.

God would not be just if He sent folks to hell and others to heaven based on nothing they did!

 

[reformed1689]

No Sir,
God will send more to hellfire than to heaven,
But why?
As the calvinist teach: For His good pleasure
Or
Because those bound for hell choose to live for sin rather than God.

God would not be just if He sent folks to hell and others to heaven based on nothing they did!

Let me ask you a question. Does anyone deserve to go to Heaven? A simple yes or no will do.

 

[Titus]

Let me ask you a question. Does anyone deserve to go to Heaven? A simple yes or no will do.

Calvinist's never give a yes or no answer.

The answer is a BIG No

 

[reformed1689]

Calvinist's never give a yes or no answer.

The answer is a BIG No

Ok, so if nobody deserves to go to Heaven, which I agree with, why do you squawk so loud that he would send some to Hell?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You don't know what I believe at all. You haven't asked. Just beating the air. I know what Calvinism teaches. Tell me you're not a Calvinist and I will ask.

You right which is why I am not guilty of the sin of presumption. You on teh other hand write as if you have a printout of my brain in front of you and know me intimately on the basis of these few paragraphs. That is the height of hubris and arrogance.

Like I said. Unnamed. You talk about yourself all the time. Jesus is more important and is the ONLY name that needs to be preached.

2.and yet God still knows all those who are HIs! as it is written in Timothy! Though of course you may think it is probably church incorporated!

I've extensive studied the Scriptures for decades. I know what it says. There is no such thing as the absence of Time. Eternal things are never ending time. Time is sequence. Order. Cause. Effect. Such never ceases to exist. It is established in the very character of Divinity.

Now take off the blinders and read what it says, not what you have been taught to see!

Time did not come into existence until the first day of Creation You cannot have psace/matter without time and you cannot have time without space/matter.

I believe God knows everything knowable. God doesn't know His own Sin. He never will because it will never happen. He doesn't know the choices of those He has granted to make their own choice. Those somethings are very predictable.

1. God has no sin!
2. God knows those who are HIs! He knows the ned from the beginning! He knew Satan would fall which is why Jesus is the lamb slain fromn teh creation of the World- which was before Satan, Adam and Eve fell.
3. That God doesn't know the thoughts of people is contradicted by Jesus Himself. YOur belief is unbiblical!

 

[reformed1689]

You right which is why I am not guilty of the sin of presumption. You on teh other hand write as if you have a printout of my brain in front of you and know me intimately on the basis of these few paragraphs. That is the height of hubris and arrogance.





2.and yet God still knows all those who are HIs! as it is written in Timothy! Though of course you may think it is probably church incorporated!



Now take off the blinders and read what it says, not what you have been taught to see!

Time did not come into existence until the first day of Creation You cannot have psace/matter without time and you cannot have time without space/matter.



1. God has no sin!
2. God knows those who are HIs! He knows the ned from the beginning! He knew Satan would fall which is why Jesus is the lamb slain fromn teh creation of the World- which was before Satan, Adam and Eve fell.
3. That God doesn't know the thoughts of people is contradicted by Jesus Himself. YOur belief is unbiblical!

Let them keep going long enough and their heresy, and extremely low view of God, eventually shows itself.

 

[Titus]

Ok, so if nobody deserves to go to Heaven, which I agree with, why do you squawk so loud that he would send some to Hell?

What?
I have no problem with God sending the majority to hell.
We all deserve to be eternally seperated from God.

As I already told you.
Calvinism has God sending people to hell based on nothing they do
If God sends folks to hell like Lifelong sinner as an example.

Just look at this miserable man. He is to be pitied.

Thanks to the false doctrine of calvinism Lifelong sinner doesn't know if God loves him or hates him.
Because of this belief ie Unconditional election.
Lifelong sinner does not believe there is anything he can do to be saved.

If he is correct,
Then it is unfair and evil for God to choose some for heaven and some for hell based on what they choose?
NO, based on this god hating some sinners based on nothing they do. And loving other sinners based on nothing they believe or do.

The true God only sends those to hell who desire to have nothing to do with God.
Those that do get to heaven are only the faithfull, humble, repentant, obedient servants that love Him.
Even they do not deserve heaven.
All that are saved are saved because of Gods mercy. Not because we deserve anything from Him.
God is most merciful. God is love!

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

John calvin history note for today;
“April 25, 1564 A.D. John Calvin pens his last will and testament.”

 

[reformed1689]

What?
I have no problem with God sending the majority to hell.
We all deserve to be eternally seperated from God.

On this we agree.

As I already told you.
Calvinism has God sending people to hell based on nothing they do
If God sends folks to hell like Lifelong sinner as an example.

This is false. It is NOT based on nothing that they do. Why do you keep saying that when you know it is not true? It is based on their sin.

Thanks to the false doctrine of calvinism Lifelong sinner doesn't know if God loves him or hates him.
Because of this belief ie Unconditional election.
Lifelong sinner does not believe there is anything he can do to be saved.

That has nothing to do with Calvinism. And he is right, there IS NOTHING any of us can DO to be saved. God does the saving.

If he is correct,
Then it is unfair and evil for God to choose some for heaven and some for hell based on what they choose?
NO, based on this god hating some sinners based on nothing they do. And loving other sinners based on nothing they believe or do.

Again, you fall of the rails when you say God's wrath is based on nothing that they have done. Completely false.