Once Saved, Always Saved?

[amigo de christo]

Abraham BELIEVED GOD and it was counted unto HIM for righteousness .
GOD said DO and Abraham DID .
Truth is abraham had that good faith that PUT GOD above all . Above Even His own son .
Remember , JESUS said HE who loves mother father son or daughter more than ME is not worthy of me .
Abraham was told to DO a sacrifice of His SON , His only SON , and HE was gonna do it .
How can we truly work the works of GOD , BELEIVE IN JESUS CHRIST . That is the work of GOD .
And how do we know if our BELIEF is TRUE and not as the devils believe .....
Cause the devils DO believe yet aint saved .
HE WHO LOVES ME KEEPS MY SAYINGS . HE who OBEYS ME LOVES ME .
HE who keeps not my sayings hates me .
I see many who profess faith and yet their works prove their faith is not truly IN CHRIST , IN GOD .
FOR GOD said and abraham DID . Abraham didnt make excuse on how to go around what GOD said .
GOD said , HE DID . AND I REALLY THINK folks can learn a lot from that .

 

[BloodBought 1953]

I think OSASers are trying to convince each other of OSAS. What other reason could there be?

“ MY” reason for being an OSAS Believer is because Jesus was.....I have yet to see anybody respond to the “ Nuclear Bomb” the annihilates the arguments of those that oppose it. One Verse— just ONE — puts an end to all of the Confusion.....it’s John 5:24..... stop pretending like it does not exist....

“ Whoever hears my Word and Believes in the God that sent me, ALREADY HAS Eternal Life and shall NEVER come under Condemnation....They have already passed from Death to Life”

Many sincere, but poorly taught and confused “ believers” apparently do not understand the meaning of the word, “ Never”.....

Address this verse or stop wasting precious computer ink....

 

[amigo de christo]

“ MY” reason for being an OSAS Believer is because Jesus was.....I have yet to see anybody respond to the “ Nuclear Bomb” the annihilates the arguments of those that oppose it. One Verse— just ONE — puts an end to all of the Confusion.....it’s John 5:24..... stop pretending like it does not exist....

“ Whoever hears my Word and Believes in the God that sent me, ALREADY HAS Eternal Life and shall NEVER come under Condemnation....They have already passed from Death to Life”

Many sincere, but poorly taught and confused “ believers” apparently do not understand the meaning of the word, “ Never”.....

Address this verse or stop wasting precious computer ink....

Believing IN CHRIST is what saves one . Lets heed all his reminders . That is how one knows they are truly of HIM .
And if he warned even the apostels that they had to continue to the end , well i say we ought to do the same .
ITs all for our good . Every WORD is . Many are now going under a spell and no longer believe the one true gospel
THEY came out from amongst us for they were not of us . But to warn folks and remind folks
that one has to continue to the end , WELL JESUS DID , so did paul . ITS JUST reminders that work good .
Every word in that bible is for our good . Every reminder . CHRIST KNOWS how to keep His lambs safe .
SO i suggest we TRUST IN HE ALONE and learn what HE said and the apostels said and take it all and embrace it all .

 

[BloodBought 1953]

OSAS is not true. Here is just one point with a list of verses.

Serious Sin Can Separate Us From GOD Verses:

[God said to Adam,]
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:17).

[Eve said to the serpent,]
"But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (Genesis 3:3).

And the serpent said unto the woman,
"Ye shall not surely die." (Genesis 3:4).

"...she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked..." (Genesis 3:6-7).

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." (Romans 5:12).

"For the wages of sin is death..." (Romans 6:23).

"But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear." (Isaiah 59:2).

“...whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.” (Matthew 5:22).

28 “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.” (Matthew 5:28-30).

"But whoso committeth adultery with a woman lacketh understanding: he that doeth it destroyeth his own soul." (Proverbs 6:32).

“But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” (Matthew 6:15).

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21)

Important Note: If you were to look at 1 Thessalonians 4:3 you would learn that the will of God (i.e. the Father) is to be holy or it is our sanctification; And Hebrews 12:14 says, without holiness no man shall see the Lord.

“22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” (Matthew 7:22-23 ESV).

“26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.”
(Matthew 7:26-27).

“15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matthew 7:15-20).

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." (Hebrews 10:26).

"he that commits sin is of the devil." (1 John 3:8).

"everyone who does evil hates the light." (John 3:20).

"Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee." (Acts of the Apostles 8:22).

6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth.
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:6-7).

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:4).

"Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15).

"He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now." (1 John 2:9).

"In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:10).

41 "The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers,
42 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear." (Matthew 13:41-43 ESV).

“For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.” (Matthew 12:37).

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).

3 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing,..." (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

"...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble."
(James 4:6).

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." (Romans 11:21-22).

16 "There is a sin unto death..."
17 "...and there is a sin not unto death." (1 John 5:16-17).

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8).

19 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:19-21).

5 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affe
ction, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them." (Colossians 3:5-7).

5 “...God;
6 ...will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law” (Romans 2:5-12).

“But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.” (Ezekiel 18:24).

9 “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. “ (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.” (James 2:17).

"And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 25:30).

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).

All of your verses have at least one of two problems.....they are either taken out of Context or they are verses not being addressed to Believers....ALL of them.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

verses not being addressed to Believers....

So that unbelievers don’t get confused when they read the Bible…

LOL!!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

NewOSAS is all about a person thinking they can sin and still be saved on some level

And I suppose YOU never sin? You don’t fool anybody with a brain and you CERTAINLY are not Fooling God..... How’s your “thought life?” Is it 100% Pure....Jesus plainly taught that if you simply have an impure lustful thought in regard to somebody of the opposite sex, you are no better than an Adulterer in the eyes of God ....You are no different than anybody else that lives in a body of flesh—- You have Secret Thoughts That would Shame Hell—- why not just admit what people that God has blessed with insight already clearly know? The ONLY Hope you have of getting to Heaven is the GRACE of God—- only Blind men reject it .....Pray that God opens your eyes...God’s TRUE Elixir for Sin is found in 1Cor15:1-4 —— you’d better learn how to REST in it.....

 

[ScottA]

No Scripture? Of course not! There are NONE that supports OSAS.

Why would anyone hear your counsel?

Obviously you have not yet even understood the meaning of the word "saved", or who it belongs to and by who's power. Men cannot save themselves.

Scripture: Salvation belongs to the Lord. Psalm 3:8 (Not to the person). You can do nothing. John 15:5

 

[Taken]

Mercy me ,brothers,come on.

Then we must study the word led by the Spirit into the whole deep truth of God seeking to stay in his will by his word........

No.

A submitted man is NOT required (MUST) study the word of God.
A submitted man IS NOT required (MUST) KEEP STUDYING TO STAY, IN HIS WILL.

* A submitted man IS a Converted man, effected by the mans TRUE Submission/ Heartful Confession, effected by Gods Works of Converting the man.
* Gods WILL in this case IS several THINGS.

1) Gods Will that a man Freely and Willingly Heartfully CHOOSE HIM.
...that is accomplished BY the man WHO has Confessed, (submitted).
2) Gods Will is searching the mans HEART, that his submission, his confession, IS from the mans TRUE HEARTS thoughts.
3) Gods Will is God Accepting a mans TRUE HEARTS “Confession”.
4) God Will is God Rejecting a mans Minds “Confession”
5) Gods Acceptance, is followed by Gods Forgiveness.
6) Gods Forgiveness, is followed by Gods WORKS IN the man.
7) Gods Will IS thus Accomplished IN that man.
8) Gods WILL, (as a RECORD of Gods INHERITANCE), thereafter, IS:
9 a) The mans NAME, REMAINS (not blotted out), IN Gods BOOK of Life.
9 b) The mans NAME, ENTERED and REMAINS IN the Lambs BOOK of LIFE, (once entered, can never be blotted out).
10) Gods INHERITANCE, the Lambs INHERITANCE...IS ALL men Whose NAMES are WRITTEN IN “THE BOOKS”.
11) The Lambs INHERITANCE...(are the Lambs saints), who shall ENTER INTO the Lambs Earthly Kingdom, with Him, for 1,000 years.
12) Gods INHERITANCE...ARE ALL the SAVED. (are Gods saints), (and the Lambs saints) who shall ENTER INTO (live, abide, exist alive forever) IN the Lord Gods WHOLE Earthly and Heavenly KINGDOM...(AFTER the 1,000 years of the Lambs Earthly Kingdom).

13)....and IN THAT DAY...
Heaven and Earth have been MADE, uncorrupted.
Heaven and Earth are no longer DIVIDED, the Barrier OPENED.
Defiant Mortal men no longer exist... MADE, again Dust.
Defiant angels, (Demons)...no longer have Access to the Heavens, or to the face of the Earth.
Men MADE Converted...shall inhabit the face of the Earth.
Men MADE Converted...shall BE WITH and shall SEE, their Lord God as He is.
Men MADE Converted...Forever the Lord God SHALL BE THIER God.
Men MADE Converted...Forever the man SHALL BE Gods son.

* The Lord Jesus, Gods Salvation, was sent TO EARTH, TO give HIS bodily life, FOR the LIFE of the World.
* The Life of the World, IS every mans Bodily Life.
* The Lord GIVING HIS bodily life...FOR the LIFE of the World...
IS precisely, an exchange of GIVING HIS LIFE...FOR the mans LIFE.

* Jesus..GAVE His BODILY LIFE....willingly...they came for Him, He willingly went with them...they marched Him to the site...He willingly went with them...they nailed Him to the cross...He willing complied.
* MEN FREELY, (by THEIR OWN Choice, not coaxed, not threatened, not forced, not an other supposedly doing it FOR them) WILLINGLY Comply TO GIVE THEIR BODILY LIFE “unto death”, BY Freely, willingly, CONFESSING, TRUE HEARTFUL BELIEF IN the Lord God. (Not only God, Not only the Lord).

* THAT OFFER...TO BECOME MADE “Converted” was NOT OFFERED ALL men on EARTH BEFORE the Lord Jesus Bodily Arrived ON EARTH.
* But WAS OFFERED...Jesus’ LIFE...for Man’s LIFE...(John 6:51)
* THAT OFFER...was EXPRESSLY Offered ALL men on EARTH...AFTER the Lord Jesus’ Body Arrived ON Earth.....AND AFTER....the Lord Jesus BEGAN HIS Ministry....
speaking His truths, choosing His Disciples, teaching ANY willing to hear, preaching ANY willing to hear. Expressly REVEALING, His Offering, and HOW ANY freely, willing, heartfully confessing individual, COULD RECEIVE His OFFERING.........
THEN, NOW.........BEFORE the individuals PHYSICAL BODILY DEATH.

Some...INDIVIDUAL men...Have heard, read, verified, Exactly what the Lord God OFFERED, and the Lord GAVE, and HOW TO follow the “requirement....WHICH IS Precisely; ACCORDING TO Gods Truth, WAY, LIFE”... ”in ORDER”, TO RECEIVE Gods OFFERING......NOW.

* AN individual man, WHO HAS, completed the entire REQUIRED (According to Gods) “ORDER and WAY”....IS the same individual man, WHO HAS acknowledged Jesus Freely gave HIS LIFE ONCE, and Requires a man to Freely GIVE his own Life ONCE...and has DONE SO.

^ THAT IS THE WHOLE of what an individual man HAS DONE,
And the LORD GOD HAS DONE....for that individual to CLAIM...
* HE IS: Forgiven of his SIN AGAINST the Lord God, of HAVING HAD Disbelief.
* HE IS: Forgiven of his SIN of HAVING Corrupted his soul, that which belongs to God, has Gods breath of life in his soul.
* He IS; MADE Forgiven by God, OF all the unrighteousness of man have HAD Disbelief, and NO LONGER Disbelieve.
* He IS; MADE Forgiven by God, OF Corrupting his soul, and GOD MAKES his soul, RESTORED, back to very good, as it was ON THE DAY, God blew His Breath of Life INTO that man, thus SAVING that mans soul, ALIVE forever, WITH Gods Uncorrupted, and VERY GOOD, Breath of Life.
* His HEART; is MADE circumcised, his OLD natural corrupt truth, CUT OFF, given a NEW Heart, by the Power of God.
* He IS: MADE Quickened, (Born Again) by the POWER (HS) of GOD, who SENDS GODS SEED, INTO the mans new Heart.
* WHAT Born Again IS....IS the natural mans natural spirit, which is a natural mans natural truth in his heart...By a mans Natural SEED....
TO a spiritual spirit, which is a spiritual truth, which is GODS SPIRIT of GOD TRUTH, which IS God MAKING a mans spiritual truth.....Gods Spiritual Truth.
Effected...BY Gods SEED, Entering the mans new Heart, BY the POWER of God.
* SUCH claim of a man....is BASED entirely on what a man HAS DONE, and the Lord God Faithfully RESPONDING by HIS WORKS, according to what a man HAS DONE.

Some men WILL claim, they are Saved.
Some men WILL claim, they are Born Again.
Some men WILL claim, they are a Born Again Christian.
Some men WILL claim, they are Converted IN Christ.
Some men WILL claim, they are Baptized IN/WITH the Holy Spirit.
Some men WILL claim, the Holy Spirit Dwells IN them.
Some men WILL claim, they are Saved, Born Again, ONCE and Forever.
(Ie or shortened to an acronym OSAS).
Some men WILL claim, they are Sealed unto God.
Some men WILL claim, they are a son of God.
Some men WILL claim, they can NEVER again SIN.
Some men WILL claim, they are FOREVER FORGIVEN their Sin.
Some men WILL claim, they are, washed, sanctified, covered, justified.
Some men WILL claim, they are FREED from Sin.
Some men WILL claim, they are Perfect-ED IN Christ.
Some men WILL claim, Forever they are WITH the Lord God.
Some men WILL claim, Forever the Lord God IS WITH them.

EVERYONE of ^ THOSE claims, ARE TRUE and APPLIES to a man WHO “IS” Converted “IN” Christ.

A man WHO CLAIMS....
I believe.
I am a Christian.
I am a True Christian.
I am a Gentile.
I am a Jew.
I go to a Church.
I was Baptized in Water.
I confessed with my Minds thoughts.
I confessed, but didn’t mean it.
I received the HS Because some one else decided, spoke for me.
I believed, was Baptized in Water, quit Believing.
I CAN SIN.
I must DO WORKS to be saved and kept saved.

Everyone of ^ THOSE claims, APPLIES to a man WHO says it. NONE of ^ THOSE have Followed Gods ORDER and WAY, to RECEIVE Conversion.
NONE of THOSE ^ ARE Converted>Saved>Born Again>Have Gods Holy Spirit “IN” them.

A man WHO CLAIMS...
I Believe.

THAT ^ is a man WHO HAS Gods Holy Spirit....”WITH” him, but not “IN” Him.
THAT ^ is a man WHO “IF” he CONTINUES (Ie ENDURES), KEEPS Believing, to the DAY he physically dies.
On the DAY he physically dies...
THEN THAT man SHALL BE SAVED.


A BABY, CAN NOT reason or cognitively Know Gods Word, TO KNOW, what a God is, let alone WHO God is, OR What Gods Order and Way is.
A BABY, that dies, God Searches their Heart, (as all /. Aq earts are Searched by God), and SHALL SAVE that BABY, on the day it dies.
The SAME APPLIES, to a child, adult, WHO also can not reason or cognitively know what Gods Word IS.

KNOW WHAT God Requires According to HIS ORDER and WAY.
Listen to “exactly” what men claim for themselves.

@Bible Highlighter

 

[BloodBought 1953]

It's not about justifying sin and saying let's sin all we want.


I Sin all I “ Want” to sin every day!” I also stick my hand in a fire as much as I want to each day....get the point?
I do what I Want—- God transforms those “ Wants”.....
An individual who is a New Creation with a New Heart, finds that he has new “ wants” that just so happen to line- up with God's Will....Christianity 101.

( I quoted the verse from “ mailmandan” for the sake of convenience only—- it is not posted for his sake , but for the sake of a few others)

 

[Taken]

I would like you to stop right now, and slowly read Matthew 7:22-23 and Matthew 7:26-27 very carefully.

Matthew 7:22-23
22 “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

In thy name, in thy name, in thy name.......They used the Lords Name.
What they didn’t do is make a heartful confession of belief.
Correct, the Lord does not know them, nor do they know the Lord.
Correct, did a work of iniquity against the Lord, using the Lords name, without knowing the Lord.
They did not follow (according to God, Gods required Order and Way).

Matthew 7:26-27
26 “And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

His Sayings give his precise Order and Way for a man to BECOME converted, and live forever with the Lord God.

So, yes, men can HEAR his sayings and NOT DO his sayings...and will be considered a foolish man.

Men spend billions of dollars, to save their flesh. Foolishly spend Dollars they do not have, can’t afford, borrow, hold the debt....to SAVE their FLESH.

God is offering, what does not cost one cent, no debt, no strain, no hardship on his physical life....a WAY to LIVE FOREVER....(NOT EVEN by the mans own EFFORT to KEEP Gods works....God does that with HIS Power) in a perfect body, in a perfect world, with a perfect God, with other perfect men.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Your labels and opinions don’t mean anything when we look at the Word of God. Nowhere does the Bible teach you can commit death sins and still be saved (on some level) which is what OSAS teaches. Jesus warned against how sin can destroy our soul like in Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15 (of which you have to either twist or ignore). God is obviously good and He cannot agree with our sin or evil that God has classified as leading unto spiritual death.



See post #917, post #918, and post #920.



I believe Psalms 37:28 is in reference to God speaking about the saints in the end who make into the Kingdom and have run the race in being faithful to the Lord. The wicked in this verse would be in reference to anyone who justifies sin or evil regardless if they claim to believe in Jesus as their Savior or not. BE NOT DECEIVED… The unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-10). So this is not proof that you can sin and still be saved like OSAS teaches. The wicked are wicked because they do evil. It’s common sense.



Again, those who cannot be plucked out of His hand in verse 28 is in reference to verse 27 to the kind of sheep that FOLLOW Jesus. This is not in reference to sheep that do not follow Jesus and they justify sin like those in OSAS.



I replied to you on this passage on another Christian forum here of which you did not give an explanation of the verses I put forth to you (in my rebuttal).



If Jesus forces us to continue to the end when He has begun a good work in us, then what do you make of other verses by Paul that would contradict that idea?

The same person (Paul) who had written Philippians 1:6 is the same person who wrote the following verses:

2 Timothy 4:7
“I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:”

So it’s not just Jesus alone who is forcing a person here. Paul says he has fought the good fight and kept the faith.

Fighting the good fight of faith is dealing with laying hold on eternal life according to Paul.

1 Timothy 6:12
“Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.”

The same person (Paul) who had written Philippians 1:6 also had written this:

Galatians 5:7 BSB
“You were running so well. Who has obstructed you from obeying the truth?”

So if Paul is saying that Jesus will finish the race for them and force them to endure to the end, then why is Paul bothering to warn the Galatians here? He says they were running well, but now they have been obstructed to obeying the truth. Again, why does Paul have to worry about this if Christ started a good work in them to run whereby Christ will finish the race for them? It makes no sense to warn them here.

Romans 11:22
“Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.”

Here we see Paul the same person who wrote Philippians 1:6 tell us to continue in his goodness otherwise we can be cut off just like the Jews were cut off.

In other words, Philippians 1:6 is not teaching OSAS otherwise Paul would be contradicting himself in his other writings.



Jude 1:1-2
“Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called: Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.”

Jude is not referring to every believer who believes in Jesus Christ here. Jude is referring to those believers who will end up being faithful in the end. Jude here is referring to the saints who will make it and endure to the end and he is not referring to believers who think they can abide in sin and still be saved. Jude 1:4 refutes that idea. The NIV says that there are those who turn God’s grace into a license for immorality. This is what OSAS allows for. You don’t lose salvation by sin, and therefore you can sin on occasion or live for yourself and or your sin and be saved all because you are Once Saved Always Saved. This is why it is a false teaching.

As usual.....a giant Scripture Wall That NEVER mentions the word, “ Grace” .....a funny thing, that.....The very thing that has saved every soul that has ever been saved since Adam and it is never even mentioned ...... I think those that Reject Grace May be those That have never had it extended to them because they teach False, Perverted “ Gospels”......that’s a scary thing to think about....I’m like Paul in the sense that I don’t “ Hold Back the Grace of God” .....I KNOW I need it ! By the Ton! You do too , but you are blind to that fact....

 

[Happy Trails]

I think there will be LOTS of OSASers spending eternity with the Devil who made up the OSAS doctrine.

Matthew 24:13
If no one is saved until the end, then OSAS makes sense.

We have not made it to the end. Once we get there, we will be saved. Until then, no one is saved.

 

[Taken]

It's not about justifying sin and saying let's sin all we want.


I Sin all I “ Want” to sin every day!” I also stick my hand in a fire as much as I want to each day....get the point?
I do what I Want—- God transforms those “ Wants”.....
An individual who is a New Creation with a New Heart, finds that he has new “ wants” that just so happen to line- up with God's Will....Christianity 101.

( I quoted the verse from “ mailmandan” for the sake of convenience only—- it is not posted for his sake , but for the sake of a few others)

Converted men CAN NOT, DO NOT SIN.
Converted men/ANY MAN can and do TRESPASS against other men.

SIN IS AGAINST GOD.
TRESPASSES ARE AGAINST MEN.

No you do not “SIN” all you “WANT”, and don’t BECAUSE your “WANT” is changed.

You NO LONGER are ABLE to “SIN”, AGAINST GOD...BECAUSE “HIS” POWER/SPIRIT is “IN” YOU.
You NO LONGER....CAN SIN.
His MIGHTY, STRONG, SPIRIT, POWER, is DWELLING “IN” YOU.
God CAN NOT DWELL IN SIN.
If a man IS committing sin, SIN is IN that man.
If SIN is IN that man, God IS NOT DWELLING IN THAT MAN.

The SIN AGAINST GOD, IS disbelief IN God AND Christ Jesus.
God REQUIRES a man to BE Sorry, remorseful, FOR Having Heard, and then FOR NOT having BELIEVED in God, in Christ Jesus.
AND FOR NOT having REPENTED, AND Confessed “HEARTFUL BELIEF”.
AND FOR NOT having FREELY GIVEN his LIFE unto Death. (Crucified with Jesus)
UNTIL a man DOES THAT ^ He can not BE MADE Converted.
ONCE CONVERTED....Gods changed many things IN that man,
And GODS POWER in that man KEEPS that man Converted.
* One of the FIRST THINGS, is His Forgiveness.
* Also accepting YOUR BODY’S LIFE Freely as given DEAD, for His sake.
* Also...COVERING your body’s SIN, with HIS LIGHT, that He never SEES your FORGIVEN SIN, nor REMEMBERS your FORGIVEN SIN.

THAT ^ is ONE man ACCEPTING Gods OFFERING to be MADE ONCE and Forever “WITH” God, in this life and the next, in Gods renewed heavens and earth.
THAT ^ is Establishing a ONE on ONE relationship with the Lord God,
That NOTHING whatsoever, CAN destroy, undo, overcome.

Meantime...YES you can trespass AGAINST men. YES men can trespass AGAINST you. So what? Forgive each other. Here is where your WANTS are developed....BY making your MIND listen to your hearts thoughts.
Make no deliberate trespasses against men....(as such plotting comes from the MIND’S thoughts) Overrule you MIND with your hearts thoughts.
AND IF...an unintended trespass against an other man occurs...FIX IT.
Ask the other man for a pardon, forgiveness, excusing....AND any HARM you have caused....hurt their feelings, broke their window, wrecked their vehicle, failed to repay a monetary, or promise to help debt, inadvertently lied to them, etc. REPAY, AMEND, RESTORE, etc.

MEN do not SIN against MEN.
Scripture is very clear ONLY the Lord God Forgives SIN, because SIN is against HIM.

FORGIVE men their trespasses AGAINST YOU...and so also will the Lord God FORGIVE trespasses you have Committed against men. (Even if “they” do not).

A man Converted IN Christ is ALREADY forever WITH the Lord God;
That man no longer is required to pray, THROUGH the Intercessor, JESUS, “in Jesus’ NAME”. That man HAS right and authority to PRAY, Speak Directly TO God, and God SHALL Hear that man.
Jesus teaches HOW a Converted man, shall pray; directly TO God our Father IN Heaven.

Matt 6:
[9] After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
[10] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
[11] Give us this day our daily bread.
[12] And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
[13] And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.


We are acknowledging...a direct prayer to God “OUR” Father.
We are acknowledging...His heavenly kingdom and Jesus’ earthly kingdom shall be ONE Lord God Almighty’s unencumbered Kingdom.
We are acknowledging...Daily He will feed us His truth, supernaturally, His Sprit to our new born again spirit.
We are acknowledging...He is the Final Forgiver of debts/trespasses, Between men.
We are acknowledging...We do forgive other men their debts/trespasses against us.
We are acknowledging...He keeps us from temptations, He keeps us from evil.
We are acknowledging...He IS the Kingdom, the power, the glory for ever.
We who acknowledge...hear, say and agree...Amen.

God IS the Father, but not a man’s Father, until the man IS Converted, bodily dead, soul saved, born again spirit from Gods SEED.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Core statement

LIKE ^5

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

“ MY” reason for being an OSAS Believer is because Jesus was.....I have yet to see anybody respond to the “ Nuclear Bomb” the annihilates the arguments of those that oppose it. One Verse— just ONE — puts an end to all of the Confusion.....it’s John 5:24..... stop pretending like it does not exist....

“ Whoever hears my Word and Believes in the God that sent me, ALREADY HAS Eternal Life and shall NEVER come under Condemnation....They have already passed from Death to Life”

Many sincere, but poorly taught and confused “ believers” apparently do not understand the meaning of the word, “ Never”.....

Address this verse or stop wasting precious computer ink....

Not secret.

“Someone” is here to excessively accuse.
No testimony of his own.
No scriptural rebuttal.
Foolish is as foolish does.

 

[kcnalp]

Why do you lie?

Your question is a LIE.

 

[kcnalp]

There you go again thinking a lie, then saying it.

Simple question that you didn't answer.
"I think OSASers are trying to convince each other of OSAS. What other reason could there be?

 

[kcnalp]

“ MY” reason for being an OSAS Believer is because Jesus was.....I have yet to see anybody respond to the “ Nuclear Bomb” the annihilates the arguments of those that oppose it. One Verse— just ONE — puts an end to all of the Confusion.....it’s John 5:24..... stop pretending like it does not exist....

“ Whoever hears my Word and Believes in the God that sent me, ALREADY HAS Eternal Life and shall NEVER come under Condemnation....They have already passed from Death to Life”

Many sincere, but poorly taught and confused “ believers” apparently do not understand the meaning of the word, “ Never”.....

Address this verse or stop wasting precious computer ink....

Doesn't say we can't forsake God.

 

[kcnalp]

Why would anyone hear your counsel?

Because I stick with the Bible! Unlike OSASers.

Obviously you have not yet even understood the meaning of the word "saved", or who it belongs to and by who's power. Men cannot save themselves.

Scripture: Salvation belongs to the Lord. Psalm 3:8 (Not to the person). You can do nothing. John 15:5

Can't find the Scripture that says we can't forsake God. Of course you can't. It ain't in the Bible.

 

[kcnalp]

Matthew 24:13
If no one is saved until the end, then OSAS makes sense.

We have not made it to the end. Once we get there, we will be saved. Until then, no one is saved.

OSASers aren't saved?