The soon coming rapture?

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The soon coming rapture?

@Cross8527

Are you paying attention. Already page 4 and:
@n2thelight @Michiah-Imla @Truth7t7

Only have false accusations to offer.
Does that make you think “sound doctrine”?

 

[Cross8527]

The soon coming rapture?

@Cross8527

Are you paying attention. Already page 4 and:
@n2thelight @Michiah-Imla @Truth7t7

Only have false accusations to offer.
Does that make you think “sound doctrine”?

I haven't had time to go through the pages yet and i have to go to work soon but i assumed there would bed plenty of that my post was not for them it was for those who like me can feel the nearness of his coming. sometimes it takes more than what doctrine we believe is true sometimes we have to be intuned to what we sense in the spirit

 

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The soon coming rapture?

@Cross8527

Jesus spoke expressly of “these last days”.
Heb 1:
[2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

“These last days”, BEGAN when Jesus arrived AND began His ministry.
It is by, through, of Jesus, men who LISTEN, HEAR what Jesus has to “spoken” about “these last days”.

Belief in God.
Belief in Jesus.
Belief in Jesus IS the Christ Messiah.
No belief in God.
No belief in Jesus.
No belief in Jesus IS the Christ Messiah.
Persecution of men against men who do believe.
Preaching of men For God, For Jesus, For Jesus IS the Christ.
Preaching of men Against God, Against Jesus, Against Jesus IS Christ.
Prohibiting the Preaching of God, of Jesus, of Jesus IS the Christ.


Observe;
Do men Speak up and STATE their standing of Belief?
Do men Attack others who Stand with God, with Jesus, with Christ?
Do men Prevent others FROM Hearing Gods Word?

The answer is YES...it’s called DIVISION.
YES...from the time Jesus began his ministry SPEAKING, revealing things not before KNOWN...is WHEN “these last days” began, and are “continuing”.
(We can POINT to “other nations”, persecuting men for Having a Bible, for Reading, for Believing Scripture....
AND we can POINT to the squatters IN US and STATE governments, “prohibiting” men from gathering to Hear the Word of God, and even subject to Punishments, IF they do so gather to Hear the Word of God!)

When A US government representative (who in the US, IS the people’s Servant so seated, TO PROTECT the Citizens LIBERTY and RIGHT to assemble and Hear and Speak their own Religious Belief.........DO THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE....an ALARM should awaken you to HOW close “these last days” are coming to a close......and “the last days” are quickly approaching.

2Pet.3
[3] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts...

2 Tim 2:
[1] This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

Have you noticed the world agenda being pushed 24-7?
....men lusting after men, women lusting after women...eh just a perfectly acceptable life-style, common place being taught in public schools to 5 yr old.
... perilous times? Cheating, lying, thievery, eh, common place, nothing to be alarmed about. Wars, poisons, forced injections, travel prohibited, gathering with loved one, silencing, ....punishment for rejection...

Does that have ANY resemblance of Liberty, Freewill, Upstanding, Gods Teaching?

 

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I haven't had time to go through the pages yet and i have to go to work soon but i assumed there would bed plenty of that my post was not for them it was for those who like me can feel the nearness of his coming. sometimes it takes more than what doctrine we believe is true sometimes we have to be intuned to what we sense in the spirit

Okay. Enjoy your day.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[lforrest]

Soon yes very soon into the warm embrace of his arms at long last.... this is what my heart tells me, i have no poof of it no evidence of it no real reason to believe it other than this warmth inside me when i think of finally running into his arms and the words soon very soon echo inside me.

For those who long for the call home perhaps you may feel the same way perhaps i may not be alone in this, yet I do know that there are those who have a different view of when the rapture is and they are all welcome to their view. But for those who believe in a soon coming rapture what do you think? I admit that i still think we still have a little ways to go yet it seems very close this call home yet at the same i don't allow myself to live in the joy of the nearness of it because i simply do not truly believe it i still have my doubts i am to afraid of putting my faith in it's nearness just to bbe let down yet again.

I once as a new believer was very excited for the rapture when i learned about it i followed youtubers who preached on it and sadly was lead astray by false prophets who declared the nearness of the rapture i was severely damaged by them i gave up on the rapture not able to deal with the pain of the supposed hope of the rapture

Those false prophets broke me and for several years i paid no attention to it i studied bibble prophecy just because i am fascinated by it but i stayed far away from the rapture. it was in 2017 that i had a dream where God spoke to me saying don't give up on the rapture it is closer than you think. I obeyed and decided to once again believe in the rapture and look for it.

Now today even as i began writing this thread a song came on singing about coming home as if God speaking to my heart yet even so i still have that fear inside that part of me that never quite healed. False prophets damaged me very badly and i wish i could say i have the hope that we can finally be looking up believing that he will be coming for us soon like i hear many claiming even in my own heart this is what is spoken though it is still a little longer than what everyone else is saying but i just cannot because that inner wound is still open.

At times i can say that i believe it is soon but then the fear of it being just another time of people saying it is soon when once again nope wrong sorry. How i wish i could let go of this fear and pain and have hope like everyone else

Apparently soon to us is not the same as soon to God. If the timing of Jesus' return were known more people would squander their remaining time. So it is likely for the best that no one knows.

But throughout my whole adult life I've been anticipating to see it in my lifetime. We have seen how quickly things can turn for the worse, so the fulfillment of end time prophecy could happen quickly. And the question of when the rapture will occur relative to the tribulation remains.

I think we should look at what God is doing. I've heard from someone here a few fallen angels have been loosed on the world that were previously bound. And they are responsible for a lot of the craziness happening. And I also think they will be staying loose until Christ's second coming. So the world progresses nearer to the end, and there is no returning back to how things were. Not to say things will not improve, but the general trend is downhill.

 

[Enoch111]

Impossible to do with folks who have been blinded to the plain teaching of scripture.

That's a lame excuse. So show us the Scriptures where there is a Rapture-Tribulation conjunction. WITHOUT MAKING A MISHMASH of Bible prophecies.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

That's a lame excuse. So show us the Scriptures where there is a Rapture-Tribulation conjunction. WITHOUT MAKING A MISHMASH of Bible prophecies.

@Enoch111 it’s laid out in scripture as puzzle pieces. Each piece on its own doesn’t show the whole picture. But once you put the pieces together the full picture becomes quite clear:

1. The rapture happens when Christ comes.

“…in Christ shall all be made alive….they that are Christ's at his coming.” (1 Corinthians 15:22-23)

“For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?” (1 Thessalonians 2:19)

2. Christ is coming from heaven:

“And to wait for his Son from heaven” (1 Thessalonians 1:10)

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven …and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)

3. The rapture happens when Christ comes from heaven after the tribulation:

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days …shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: …and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” (Matthew 24:29-31)

4. When we add this piece of the puzzle (below) we see that the Antichrist is here when Christ comes from heaven:

“And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.” (Revelation 19:11)

“And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.” (Revelation 19:19)

Confirmed by this scripture:

“…that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,” (2 Thessalonians 2:8-9)

You must use all the pieces of the end time puzzle @Enoch111

The End Time puzzle shows one event. Not 2, not 3, just ONE event!

 

[Cross8527]

I understand that everone has different views on the rapture and i am no stranger to the debate I have seen verse after verse used to prove each side of the spectrum i have studied each side and each side if you look through the lens of each view has evidence to support their beliefs in screipture so what then do we do if verse after verse is used and each side has evidence to support their view and understanding? We go to the spirit. I believe what i believe not because of what doctrine i hold to not because of what i have studied or what denomination i belong to but because i have soaked in his presence i have known his voice and i know it well i have tasted his spirit upon my flesh and have felt his finger on my soul.
Many know the scriptures very well which is good that is the first step but here is where many make their mistake they hold to tightly to their own beliefs and views.

When you read the bible you cannot go into it with your own preset beleifs views and understanding or else that is all you will see and even if the truth is right in front of you then you will remain blind to it you require the heart of a student to read and understand the bible. the same goes with listening to the voice of the spirit you cannot go into it with your own views understand beleifs and doctrines already set in stone

Personally I do not care whether it is pre trib pre wrath mid or post tribulation it in no way affects my standing in him or my deisre to grow as close to him as possible in this realm or the next my hunger for him far exceeds any desire or want in this life it is all consuming and no matter how it happens whether i have to go through the tribulation or not he will be mine and i will have him.

However inside i feel him speaking his coming though not as many believe, many who believe it is soon believe it is very soon like really really soon but no it is still a little ways off but close enough that he is nudging us to pay attention, the end times are rapidly unfolding the tribulation seems to be rearing it's head so soon enough this debate will not matter any more and those who were right will be proven right.

But what if we were all wrong? what if it happens in a way none of us thought tpo expect? What if even with all our understanding of what we thought was right was only a part of the truth and the bigger picture is actually much more complex and requires us to throw away what we thought we knew about bible prophecy and start all over?

 

[Cross8527]

The soon coming rapture?

@Cross8527

Jesus spoke expressly of “these last days”.
Heb 1:
[2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

“These last days”, BEGAN when Jesus arrived AND began His ministry.
It is by, through, of Jesus, men who LISTEN, HEAR what Jesus has to “spoken” about “these last days”.Technically I believe the last days began in 1948 when Israel came back to it's land. any time you study bible prophecy always look to Israel

Belief in God.
Belief in Jesus.
Belief in Jesus IS the Christ Messiah.
No belief in God.
No belief in Jesus.
No belief in Jesus IS the Christ Messiah.
Persecution of men against men who do believe.
Preaching of men For God, For Jesus, For Jesus IS the Christ.
Preaching of men Against God, Against Jesus, Against Jesus IS Christ.
Prohibiting the Preaching of God, of Jesus, of Jesus IS the Christ.


Observe;
Do men Speak up and STATE their standing of Belief?
Do men Attack others who Stand with God, with Jesus, with Christ?
Do men Prevent others FROM Hearing Gods Word?

The answer is YES...it’s called DIVISION.
YES...from the time Jesus began his ministry SPEAKING, revealing things not before KNOWN...is WHEN “these last days” began, and are “continuing”.
(We can POINT to “other nations”, persecuting men for Having a Bible, for Reading, for Believing Scripture....
AND we can POINT to the squatters IN US and STATE governments, “prohibiting” men from gathering to Hear the Word of God, and even subject to Punishments, IF they do so gather to Hear the Word of God!)

When A US government representative (who in the US, IS the people’s Servant so seated, TO PROTECT the Citizens LIBERTY and RIGHT to assemble and Hear and Speak their own Religious Belief.........DO THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE....an ALARM should awaken you to HOW close “these last days” are coming to a close......and “the last days” are quickly approaching.

2Pet.3
[3] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts...

2 Tim 2:
[1] This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

Have you noticed the world agenda being pushed 24-7?
....men lusting after men, women lusting after women...eh just a perfectly acceptable life-style, common place being taught in public schools to 5 yr old.
... perilous times? Cheating, lying, thievery, eh, common place, nothing to be alarmed about. Wars, poisons, forced injections, travel prohibited, gathering with loved one, silencing, ....punishment for rejection...

Does that have ANY resemblance of Liberty, Freewill, Upstanding, Gods Teaching?

 

[Enoch111]

3. The rapture happens when Christ comes from heaven after the tribulation: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days …shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: …and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” (Matthew 24:29-31)

Do you see what I meant by "mishmash"? Where is the Rapture in this passage?

Does Christ send His angels to gather the Church in 1 Thessalonians 4 or in 1 Corinthians 15? In neither of those two (nor any other Rapture passage) does Christ send angels to gather the Church. According to 1 Thessalonians 4, Christ comes personally, summons the Church personally, transforms the saints personally, and takes them back to Heaven personally. This corresponds to John 14:1-3 where He says "I will come again and receive you unto Myself".

So take note of what is stated in 1 Thessalonian 4:13-18 and do not connect it with Matthew 24 (which speaks of "clouds" of saints and angels accompanying Him):
1 THESSALONIANS 4: CHRIST COMES PERSONALLY AT THE RESURRECTION/RAPTURE
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him [with Christ].
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Now if angels were being sent to gather the Church at the Rapture, that would have been stated right here in this passage, so that there would be no ambiguity. The archangel (Michael) simply shouts and presumably blows the trumpet (called "the trump of God" here and "the last trump in 1 Corinthians 15, where also there is no mention of angels being sent out to gather the saints).

Now because of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture and the Marriage of the Lamb, we see the saints DESCENDING from Heaven with Christ after the Tribulation period in Revelation 19. So who are those "elect" being gathered by the angels (and again a trumpet summoning them)? Are they not the believing Jewish remnant after the Second Coming of Christ? Indeed God gathers all Jews worldwide to come to Israel in order to receive their true Messiah (although only one-third of them will be redeemed and restored). Therefore angels are sent to bring them all to Israel (since Christ descends to the Mount of Olives at His Second Coming).

 

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@Cross8527

I do not understand your point of reposting my post.

 

[Taken]

Do you see what I meant by "mishmash"? Where is the Rapture in this passage?

Exactly.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Does Christ send His angels to gather the Church in 1 Thessalonians 4 or in 1 Corinthians 15?

YES. The other piece of the puzzle reveals this.

take note of what is stated in 1 Thessalonian 4:13-18 and do not connect it with Matthew 24

Why not? You must piece together the puzzle to see the whole picture of what’s happening.

Now if angels were being sent to gather the Church at the Rapture, that would have been stated right here in this passage

Why? In the gospels alone there are some details left out of parallel events in one gospel which the other gospel includes to give the full picture.

Now because of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture and the Marriage of the Lamb, we see the saints DESCENDING from Heaven with Christ

These saints descending with Christ are by and large the ones who were executed for refusing the mark of the beast or managed to remain alive escaping execution. These same saints are the ones who will reign with Christ a thousand years on earth.

 

[Taken]

@Enoch111 it’s laid out in scripture as puzzle pieces. Each piece on its own doesn’t show the whole picture. But once you put the pieces together the full picture becomes quite clear:

The rapture happens when Christ comes.

No.
The Rapture happens when the Lord descends to the Clouds and the Lords holy angel servant summons those IN Christ to meet their Lord in the air.

Not familiar with ancient custom Jewish weddings?
The Bride prepares herself.
The Bride waits in Her fathers house.
The Bride is summoned by a servant of the Groom.
The servant of the Groom escorts the Bride to the Grooms fathers house.
The Groom greets his Bride. The Bride see her Groom, but the Groom does not yet see his Bride, because she is vailed.

If you do not understand that....there is no reason a Rapture should be understood by you.

And BTW...
it was the Son of man that came to earth.
It was the Son of man, that left the earth.
It is the Son of man that shall return to earth.
If that were not so...NO human eyes could see Him!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The Rapture happens when the Lord descends to the Clouds

And comes down to earth.

“And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives” (Zechariah 14:4)

 

[Taken]

And comes down to earth.

“And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives” (Zechariah 14:4)

The Son of man returning to earth has NOTHING to do with the Rapture.

Do you even KNOW what it means to be PREPARED?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The Son of man returning to earth has NOTHING to do with the Rapture

Dude, you’re just totally sold out to the Dispensational Theological explanations that you cannot even see what the scriptures are actually telling you in simple terms.

 

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Dude, you’re just totally sold out to the Dispensational Theological explanations that you cannot even see what the scriptures are actually telling you in simple terms.

Can’t even tell you what dispensational theological babble is.

I am saying nothing different than what the Scriptures “ACTUALLY” say.


Your accusations are MOOT.
Your accusations are proved WRONG.
Funny you have avoided answering any questions about own YOUR standing!



Matt 16:
[27] For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

1 Thes 4
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Funny you have avoided answering any questions about own YOUR standing!

Here’s my standing:

“we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.” (Romans 5:2)

“the gospel… wherein ye stand;” (1 Corinthians 15:1)

“…by faith ye stand.” (2 Corinthians 1:24)

“Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:” (Ephesians 6:14-17)

 

[Taken]

Here’s my standing:

“we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.” (Romans 5:2)

“the gospel… wherein ye stand;” (1 Corinthians 15:1)

“…by faith ye stand.” (2 Corinthians 1:24)

“Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:” (Ephesians 6:14-17)

Next time I ask you to express yourself, I’ll ask someone else to speak for you.

Seems to be a strange habit, that “some people” are NOT qualified to speak for themselves, but think they are qualified to speak for others.

Did you learn that strange behavior in a School as an academic or by observance?

Oops, should I go ask uh...marymog what you think? She operates in the same fashion you do.