The soon coming rapture?

[No Pre-TB]

So many teachers here and so much falsehood. Everyone thinks they are right in their own eyes. And the scripture they give is cherry picked without full understanding.

I wish it wasn’t so.

 

[The Light]

The entire 7 Yr Tribulation is ALL stemmed from Gods Anger and effected by Gods Wrath.

The Lamb is angry for men not committing to Him...
The Devil is angry for men not committing to him...
God is angry for men not committing to Him...

Not news.....there are multiple things, applicable to multiple things that occur during Gods intended 7 yr Tribulation.
* By the Lamb, * By the Devil, * By God...
Each establishing WHO is Committed to WHOM. And Each causing DEATH and DESTRUCTION.

Gods intended 7 yr Tribulation...is in increments of 3 sets of 7.
In order; 7 SEALS, 7 TRUMPS, 7 VIALS.
Not secret...Each increases in intensity of Suffering upon the inhabitants upon the face of the earth.

Not secret...The Vials are the most intense....and it is upon ONLY those mortals who remain on Earth with their sound allegiance to Satan...
They suffer plagues, wish to die, but can not.
They suffer ALSO Gods VENGEANCE, for having not only NOT believed or committed to the Lord God....but BECAUSE they persecuted men who DID Believe and Commit to the Lord God.

I know exactly what I am talking about, whether or not you do.

I know that the wrath of God is OVER at the 7 trumpet, when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. What you see in the vials is just a different view of what happens in the trumpets. In other words its a different vision of the same timeframe.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

This is sad to me, when I first joined and caught onto a few of ppls post, I thought yay, fellow believers. Sad to say the more of your post I read the fartherest we are in the same belief.
Salvation is ONLY ONE WAY, through Jesus, so I'm not saying you're not saved. I am saying whoa, no we don't believe the word of God says the same thing.
So I'll pray that we ALL work out OUR salvation God's way and that we ALL WALK HIS PATH BEFORE US !

 

[The Light]

This is sad to me, when I first joined and caught onto a few of ppls post, I thought yay, fellow believers. Sad to say the more of your post I read the fartherest we are in the same belief.
Salvation is ONLY ONE WAY, through Jesus, so I'm not saying you're not saved. I am saying whoa, no we don't believe the word of God says the same thing.
So I'll pray that we ALL work out OUR salvation God's way and that we ALL WALK HIS PATH BEFORE US !

Mmmm. So what don't you believe.....a pretribulation rapture? Do you think the Church has replaced Israel? Do you think God is not going to keep His promise to His Chosen. Do you not understand that the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel and has nothing to do with the Church? And what would even give you the slightest indication that I would not believe that Jesus is the prophesied Messiah?

 

[The Light]

So many teachers here and so much falsehood. Everyone thinks they are right in their own eyes. And the scripture they give is cherry picked without full understanding.

I wish it wasn’t so.

Yeah, I'm with you. There are lots of people that don't believe that Jesus is going to come in an hour that they think not. They are also not watching and are not ready so they can escape ALL THESE THINGS that will come to pass and STAND BEFORE THE SON OF MAN. The time is short.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Mmmm. So what don't you believe.....a pretribulation rapture? Do you think the Church has replaced Israel? Do you think God is not going to keep His promise to His Chosen. Do you not understand that the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel and has nothing to do with the Church? And what would even give you the slightest indication that I would not believe that Jesus is the prophesied Messiah?

First, this is the only time I think I've read one of your post....lol so I wasn't talking to you specifically yet........

No I don't believe in a rapture but I stand firm looking for his 2nd coming. No the church has NOT replaced Israel, she is God's wife, we are the betrothed Bride of Christ !

God is NOT slack concerning his promises to those that submit and obey him,believing in Jesus redemptive blood,and allow the Holy Spirit to lead them.

Daniels prophecies and Revelations are to be fulfilled in the last days, just as we are not to think we shall escape tribulations, just as those who didn't before us. We are promised to be SPARED the WRATH OF GOD, that is why Jesus prayed in agony before his arrest,then accepted his Father's will and cup of wrath. It wasn't death he wanted to escape.

You sure got your knickers in a wad....lol, for someone who's only been here since mid March,and whom I've only seen now.

 

[The Light]

First, this is the only time I think I've read one of your post....lol so I wasn't talking to you specifically yet........

No I don't believe in a rapture but I stand firm looking for his 2nd coming. No the church has NOT replaced Israel, she is God's wife, we are the betrothed Bride of Christ !

God is NOT slack concerning his promises to those that submit and obey him,believing in Jesus redemptive blood,and allow the Holy Spirit to lead them.

Daniels prophecies and Revelations are to be fulfilled in the last days, just as we are not to think we shall escape tribulations, just as those who didn't before us. We are promised to be SPARED the WRATH OF GOD, that is why Jesus prayed in agony before his arrest,then accepted his Father's will and cup of wrath. It wasn't death he wanted to escape.

You sure got your knickers in a wad....lol, for someone who's only been here since mid March,and whom I've only seen now.

Don't you think it would be wise to quote the person you are talking about and not making your unquoted post after someone you are not talking about? LOL.

It puzzles me how you could not believe in a rapture. Don't you realize that He is coming for His bride?

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Don't you think it would be wise to quote the person you are talking about and not making your unquoted post after someone you are not talking about? LOL.

It puzzles me how you could not believe in a rapture. Don't you realize that He is coming for His bride?

It was a general thought of disappointment ,nothing more as I read what others post. If they get too far off the mark,I unfollow them.
Lol....were you a hall monitor in school ? Lol

Oh Jesus most CERTAINLY is coming for His Bride. It is called His 2nd coming !
NO where are we told we will not have tribulations,for it worketh patience. Something we will need a lot of to endure to the end,whether it be by death or his coming.

 

[The Light]

It was a general thought of disappointment ,nothing more as I read what others post. If they get too far off the mark,I unfollow them.
Lol....were you a hall monitor in school ? Lol

No. Was a cross between trouble and class clown and followed sibling that was teachers pet and brilliant. LOL.I was an experience for them

Oh Jesus most CERTAINLY is coming for His Bride. It is called His 2nd coming !
NO where are we told we will not have tribulations,for it worketh patience. Something we will need a lot of to endure to the end,whether it be by death or his coming.

We are experiencing tribulation but we will not be here for the great tribulation....That happens during the 70th week of Daniel.
Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Enjoyed talking with you. Tired. Hitting hay.

 

[ewq1938]

I know that the wrath of God is OVER at the 7 trumpet, when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. What you see in the vials is just a different view of what happens in the trumpets. In other words its a different vision of the same timeframe.

You have it all mixed up. The Wrath of God starts at the 7th trump. It's the Great Tribulation and satan's wrath and persecution of the church that ends at the 7th trump.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth

The wrath has come or arrived. It starts with the pouring of the vials of wrath!

Rev 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

This happens during the 7th trump.

 

[Taken]

@ewq1938
@The Light
@L3astAm0ngManyB13ss3d
@No Pre-TB


Tribulation - a CAUSE of great trouble or suffering.

History In brief- from Adam forward.
God With Adam. Adam With God.
Separation.

Division ~ Men & God.
* Tribulation Among men - Stronger men ruling over weaker men.
* Men CAUSING Tribulation over other men.

Division ~ Hebrews & Gentiles
~ Gentiles (gods- men, statues, objects, etc.)
~ Hebrews God, Heavenly God
~ Hebrews God “WITH” THEM, “WHEN” they were “WITH” God.
~ Hebrews Desired an EARTHLY KING, (Like Gentiles)
~ God Advised Against. God was their KING.
~ Men begged for an Earthly King.
~ God gave.

~ There foreword....Hebrews/Israel/Tribes/Jews...Gentiles...
Earthly kings....
~ Men RULING OVER men.

Centuries “men rulers” CAUSE of Tribulations, over, among, between men.

* Centuries “individual men”, Under rule of Other men, “individual men” suffering Tribulations of “Other men”....

* Centuries... “Individual men” of their own Freewill...
CHOOSE, to Believe, Trust, Commit, TO GOD...AND ???
* Gods Covenant, Promise, TO WHAT?
* KEEP Them IN COMFORT, THROUGH, men’s Tribulations.
* KEEP Them FROM God’s Prophecy of His Great Tribulation.

* Prophecy - Tribulations CAUSED by men SHALL INCREASE exponentially.
* Prophecy - Great Tribulation CAUSED by God, SHALL COME down from Heaven UPON ALL unrighteousness upon the Earth, AGAIN.
* History - Men CAUSED tribulations among themselves. Men Rejected God. God CAUSED His Great Tribulation Upon ALL things UPON the face of the Earth. God SAVED 8 Faithful man-KIND of things, and SOME Animals....FROM Gods CAUSED Great Tribulation.
* History -
* A new Covenant, Promise, TO WHAT?
* KEEP any and all men IN Comfort, Through, men’s CAUSED Tribulations
* KEEP any and all men FROM God’s Prophecy of His SECOND and LAST God’s CAUSED Great Tribulation Promised to Come.

The Covenants - OT, NT
* pretty much SOUND the SAME...eh?
* Here is key of WISDOM...
With God, Without God, Believe, Doubt, Wonder, With God, Without God, God With a man, God Without a man, Believe, God With a man, Doubt, God Without a man....
~ Read the History of the Israelites. They obeyed God, God was WITH them. They disobeyed God, God was WITHOUT them.
~ A repeating over and over and over....DEPENDENT upon MANS FREEWILL CHOICES...
~ Gods REACTING to Men’s CHOICES!

* Individual men’s Freewill to choose, has NOT changed, regardless of the era of time.

* WHAT HAS CHANGED...IS WHAT Men CAN CHOOSE.

* With God, Without God, still an option, same as it was in the OT. Believe today, Doubt tomorrow, Believe, Doubt, Wonder, Follow, Wander off, Believe in something else.
Fearful of powerful men’s CAUSING Tribulation FOR NOT YIELDING to them.

* Don’t believe it? Review history. Men forced to Fight, himself killed for not yielding to men. Men speaking freely, silenced. Men rounded up, encamped, forced separation, forced unable to travel, land, possession, money confiscation, forced unable to have access to work, buying, selling, food, goods, services, for providing for their family.
OBSERVE NOW, world wide...fear, fear, fear....and THEY “a handful of men”...The ”Very men” instigating all the negative Tribulations Against men at large......Wagging their Tongues.....THEY ARE THE SOLUTION,
“The Saviors of your LIFE”!

* So WHAT is this BIG CHANGE, new Promise Offered ALL Men?
* Gods SPIRIT, “WITH” AND “IN” a man.
* Gods SPIRIT, “WITH” AND “IN” a man Comforting that man through EVERY Tribulation “ANOTHER MAN” heaps upon them.
* Gods SPIRIT, “WITH” and “IN” a man that THAT man, WILL NEVER BE subject to...........Gods Prophesied NEXT and LAST...
GREAT TRIBULATION that God SHALL AGAIN Send down from Heaven Upon the Whole Earth.
* THAT MAN SHALL BE “KEPT FROM” Gods Great Tribulation.

Nothing new under the sun. What was shall be.
If you do not know what was, How will you know what Shall be?
If you do not Accept Gods Offering “according” to Gods WAY, why would you believe, Gods Offering Applies to you?
Why would you believe, YOU KNOW, what other men HAVE or HAVE NOT Accepted?

 

[ewq1938]

Tribulation - a CAUSE of great trouble or suffering.

From? This is the important part.

 

[Taken]

So many teachers here and so much falsehood. Everyone thinks they are right in their own eyes. And the scripture they give is cherry picked without full understanding.

I wish it wasn’t so.

Why?
Men SHOULD know what exactly Applies to them, via Scripture.
All Scripture IS TRUE....yet ALL Scripture does NOT Apply the Same to Every Individual.
Cherry-picking ... absolutely.
Scriptures of Believing...applies to me.
Scriptures of UNbelief....does not apply to me.

The Problem IS “one” man DECIDING what “cherry-picked” or that “ALL” of Scripture APPLIES to “another” man.

Individual men “freely” declare their BELIEFS.
Our “language” is routinely, “spoken in Generalities, Presumptions”.

A man Freely Choosing Christ Jesus’ OFFERING, ie “WAY”, is very Specific.

A man openly declaring...he believes, he’s a Christian, he’s a Jew, he’s a member of a Christian church....blah, blah, blah...IS exactly that man declaring “his standing”.

None of those declarations, reveal, his standing IS him having Accepted Christ Jesus’ “Specific” OFFERING.
Thus, Personally, I simply accept the mans word, for what he HAS SAID, period. I do not consider what the man, HAS NOT SAID.

 

[Taken]

From? This is the important part.

My post included ... FROM.

 

[Taken]

I know that the wrath of God is OVER at the 7 trumpet, when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. What you see in the vials is just a different view of what happens in the trumpets. In other words its a different vision of the same timeframe.

Gods WRATH is caused by Gods ANGER
God has Promised His Tribulation, SHALL be sent down from Heaven, and Suffering of His Wrath, IS Because of His Anger.

Men have had a Timeline of causing Tribulation among, upon, against men for 6 thousands years....and further will have 1 thousand years (Void of Satan’s presence...boo hoo...excuse of Devil’s influence...remember...that was Eve’s excuse....and has been men’s excuse for centuries. So 1,000 years of mortal men establishing nations, appointing AGAIN men to rule over them, While Jesus’ Own Kingdom is Present ON Earth. All fluffy at first, until Generations die off, men begin to prosper, no need for the Lord, and Satan’ loosed, Agains influences men of the nations to WAR Against God, attacking Jesus’ Earthly Kingdom....oops, they shall fail.)

Gods Tribulation has a Timeline...of Seven Years, to send His Second and Last Tribulation Upon the face of the Earth.
If you are not one of the virgin 144,000 men of the Tribes of Israel, and are upon the face of the Earth....you get to suffer Gods Tribulation, He sends down from Heaven...
Maybe for one year, maybe for two years, three years, four years, five years, six years, seven years........all depends ON your choices.

What applies to me, as well, all depends ON my choices.
God, by, through, of Christ Jesus offered me an OPTION to NOT be subject to ANY of Gods Great Tribulation...and I chose to Accept Gods Offering.

So, from beginning to end of Gods Great Seven Years of Tribulation, I will NOT be upon the face of the Earth.

 

[The Light]

You have it all mixed up. The Wrath of God starts at the 7th trump. It's the Great Tribulation and satan's wrath and persecution of the church that ends at the 7th trump.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth

The wrath has come or arrived. It starts with the pouring of the vials of wrath!

Rev 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

This happens during the 7th trump.

Wrath is over at the 7th trumpet. Jesus has returned, Armageddon is over, Jesus sets up His kingdom on earth as the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and the dead are judged.

Why do you keep avoiding this question? What is this coming of Jesus at Rev 14. So many things you just don't have an answer for.

Rev 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

 

[Timtofly]

The Church is in heaven before the seals are opened. That's why there are 24 elders around the throne with their rewards.

Rev 4
4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

The seals are the 70th week of Daniel. The tribulation is OVER at the 6th seal. The second coming occurs at the 6th seal and Jesus REMAINS IN THE CLOUDS. HE SENDS HIS ANGELS TO GATHER THE ELECT

Rev 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Matt 24
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This lie is already in place to explain the disappearance of millions of people. It will be time for their world government.

The 24 elders are 24 literal individuals. If 12 are from the OT, then they were before the throne at the Cross. Those 12 were no longer in death. If they were never in Abraham's bosom, then they could have always been there. You do not even know exactly whose these are any more than any one else's educated guess.

So of course the church is in heaven before the Seals are opened. Only those alive on earth are waiting for the 6th Seal.

Revelation 14 is not describing the 6th Seal. It is describing the winepress of wrath at the end of the week of the 7th Trumpet. Try reading it like this:

"The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly."

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs."

When all the kingdoms were handed over. Jesus had to address the whole earth. Doing that from a place where all on earth could be seen, and all could see Jesus as Prince in judgment. Having confirmed the Atonement and no one left found in the Lamb's book of life, the rest on earth would be reaped. Jesus never left the earth, since the 6th Seal, but now, at the 7th Trumpet, rises in judgment over all the nations just handed to Him. The 7th Trumpet was never interrupted by desolation nor abomination. Daniel 9:27 was never needed to break up this week of celebration and triumph. The confirmation with the many meant all were redeemed and accounted for. No one left on earth would be redeemed but harvested with that last sickle winepress of Adam's flesh and blood. After this point we move to this event:

"When the dragon saw that he had been hurled down to the earth, he went in pursuit of the woman who had given birth to the male child. But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle, so that she could fly to her place in the desert, away from the serpent’s presence. The serpent spewed water like a river out of its mouth after the woman, in order to sweep her away in the flood; but the land came to her rescue — it opened its mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon had spewed out of its mouth. The dragon was infuriated over the woman and went off to fight the rest of her children, those who obey God’s commands and bear witness to Yeshua. (The 144k in Jerusalem) Then the dragon stood on the seashore; Next I saw an angel coming down from heaven, who had the key to the Abyss and a great chain in his hand. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan [the Adversary], and chained him up for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, locked it and sealed it over him; so that he could not deceive the nations any more until the thousand years were over. After that, he has to be set free for a little while."

 

[ewq1938]

Wrath is over at the 7th trumpet. Jesus has returned, Armageddon is over, Jesus sets up His kingdom on earth as the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and the dead are judged.

Wrath begins at the 7th trump according to scripture. Your belief that the wrath is over at the 7th trump is not scriptural which is why you don't use scripture to support it.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

2 Thess.1:4
So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND FAITH IN ......ALL YOUR PERSECUTIONS AND TRIBULATIONS ....THAT YE ENDURE.[ From mankind]

Mt.24 :
Jesus give them a small synopsis of what will gradually lead to the end. At verse 15 when the Abom. of Des. is committed then be aware for it is time,and the tribulation from the beast,devil,satan, will cause great hatred for believers,family and friends shall be against one anothet much like the Nazis in WW2. Yet this will be worse for it will be worldwide that the hatred shall be,there will be no safe place and many believers will be killed.
V 27 Then shall the second coming be of the Son of man be. V29 IMMEDIATELY after the tribulation of those days,Jesus steps up to claim what is his,v 30 states by Jesus mouth that ALL the tribes of the EARTH mourn and shall see HIM COMING IN THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY.[ no secret rapture here],v 31 clarifies he's here to collect HIS OWN !

GODS WRATH WILL BEGIN FOR THOSE WHO CONTINUED IN UNBELIEF AND SERVED EVIL !

 

[The Light]

The 24 elders are 24 literal individuals. If 12 are from the OT, then they were before the throne at the Cross. Those 12 were no longer in death. If they were never in Abraham's bosom, then they could have always been there. You do not even know exactly whose these are any more than any one else's educated guess.

So of course the church is in heaven before the Seals are opened. Only those alive on earth are waiting for the 6th Seal.

Revelation 14 is not describing the 6th Seal. It is describing the winepress of wrath at the end of the week of the 7th Trumpet. Try reading it like this:

"The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly."

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs."

When all the kingdoms were handed over. Jesus had to address the whole earth. Doing that from a place where all on earth could be seen, and all could see Jesus as Prince in judgment. Having confirmed the Atonement and no one left found in the Lamb's book of life, the rest on earth would be reaped. Jesus never left the earth, since the 6th Seal, but now, at the 7th Trumpet, rises in judgment over all the nations just handed to Him. The 7th Trumpet was never interrupted by desolation nor abomination. Daniel 9:27 was never needed to break up this week of celebration and triumph. The confirmation with the many meant all were redeemed and accounted for. No one left on earth would be redeemed but harvested with that last sickle winepress of Adam's flesh and blood. After this point we move to this event:

"When the dragon saw that he had been hurled down to the earth, he went in pursuit of the woman who had given birth to the male child. But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle, so that she could fly to her place in the desert, away from the serpent’s presence. The serpent spewed water like a river out of its mouth after the woman, in order to sweep her away in the flood; but the land came to her rescue — it opened its mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon had spewed out of its mouth. The dragon was infuriated over the woman and went off to fight the rest of her children, those who obey God’s commands and bear witness to Yeshua. (The 144k in Jerusalem) Then the dragon stood on the seashore; Next I saw an angel coming down from heaven, who had the key to the Abyss and a great chain in his hand. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan [the Adversary], and chained him up for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, locked it and sealed it over him; so that he could not deceive the nations any more until the thousand years were over. After that, he has to be set free for a little while."

Let me give you some credit. You are about the one I have seen that realizes that Jesus returns at the 6th seal. But the rest of what you are saying is wrong.

Revelation is written like this: Rev 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11 are written and read in order. However the 1st part of Rev 7, the sealing of the 144,000 occurs earlier in the seals which we can prove by Rev 14. When the 7th trumpet begins to sound the wrath of God is OVER as the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord.......CHIST HAS SET UP HIS KINGDOM ON EARTH.

Then beginning in Rev 13 you are back in the seals. We get a different view of the seals in Rev 13 and 14. The coming of Jesus in Rev 14, is the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal, is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24. Then at the end of Rev 14 the unrighteous are cast into the wrath of God, just like they are in Rev 6. The vials are the wrath of God, just like the trumpets are the wrath of God. Same timeframe, different view, additional information.

Just use common sense and read what it says. When the kingdoms of this world are the kingdoms of our Lord, Christ has returned and set up His kingdom on earth. Wrath is over.