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Animal2692

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God is omnipresent so yes he is in Hell. Please do not look at the fallacy of man to discredit Jesus. You are not God in human flesh. You are his creation and he loves you. He knows your name. You can look at all sorts of things on the internet do discredit God, the Bible, Jesus etc. but if you just pray to meet the real God he will let you know who he is. He is no respecter of persons meaning he will do for one person what he did for another.

And as far as abortion, there is biblical scripture that says God plans the life of the person when in the womb. It is a sin to murder. A baby in the womb is not just a clump of cells. It is a person, a human being. You were in the womb at one time.

So is an egg, so is a sperm cell. Those all have potential to be a human being. They all contain DNA. A baby can't make decisions and is still dependent on another human physically. Not enough credit is given to just making it to birth to begin with
 

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So is an egg, so is a sperm cell. Those all have potential to be a human being. They all contain DNA. A baby can't make decisions and is still dependent on another human physically. Not enough credit is given to just making it to birth to begin with

So suck em out or shove a lance into their brain? Look I had a girl that had an abortion as well and God let me know the that was a very bad decision. She did it without my knowledge but God let me know that the blood was on my hands. Why do people celebrate abortion? They act like it is a good thing, a glorious thing. All it is is selfishness. You are sacrificing your baby to have a less stressful life. You are sacrificing your baby to have a better life. Just like the Jews who burned their babies on the hands of the Molech.
 

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and you will have to answer for your eagerness to point out the flaws in others.
so you think abortion is fine, and it wasnt for a medical/rape/incest reason? You both will have to answer to that on judgement day.

you will have to answer for your unbrotherly attitude

thought were to treat others with respect...and not fight by the sword.
Why do you get "kicks" outta of fighting...and hiding behind your God to codemn others.

Thats judging by proxy....
I see a pattern of accusing. Christians are so eager to point out a guy is going to hell. And pointing out flaws....it paints a picture that is super distasteful

Matthew 7:15-23 ESV / 104 helpful votes
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. ...


Too much negativity and fighting.....over everything.
 
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and you will have to answer for your eagerness to point out the flaws in others.


you will have to answer for your unbrotherly attitude

thought were to treat others with respect...and not fight by the sword.
Why do you get "kicks" outta of fighting...and hiding behind your God to codemn others.

Thats judging by proxy....
I see a pattern of accusing. Christians are so eager to point out a guy is going to hell. And pointing out flaws....it paints a picture that is super distasteful

Matthew 7:15-23 ESV / 104 helpful votes
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. ...

LOLOLOL!!! So explain to me your fruits by having an abortion?
 

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So suck em out or shove a lance into their brain? Look I had a girl that had an abortion as well and God let me know the that was a very bad decision. She did it without my knowledge but God let me know that the blood was on my hands. Why do people celebrate abortion? They act like it is a good thing, a glorious thing. All it is is selfishness. You are sacrificing your baby to have a less stressful life. You are sacrificing your baby to have a better life. Just like the Jews who burned their babies on the hands of the Molech.

So what if say (hope it never happens), the doctors tell your wife she will have a low chance of survival after giving birth? Roll the dice with her life and hope she makes it or what?
 

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It's funny to me how those who are against abortion, are for the death penalty. Only God can take life, but not when it comes to execution. 1 in 10 death row inmates is exonerated and death row is more expensive than life in prison. Criminals can also change and be rehabilitated. A baby although innocent, isn't capable of changing.
 

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The abortion is the fruit itself of one of many cases.....
I am not judging the act of abortion. Its more complicated than a black or white scenario that most Christians like to paint on EVERYTHING!

You don't know what's in the heart of the Mother and Father.

Maybe one of the participants was truly trying to find love and pregnancy was a result.
Maybe they just wanted to get laid.

Now you will tell me pre-marital sex is wrong too.

Then I'll respond to, what constitutes marriage?
Is it mutual love between two people?
Is it when they both commit to each other?
What if one is immature in their emotions...and commits without understanding the meaning...so therefore they don't fall though with their commitment.

All i'm saying is that things are WAY MORE complicated than just the facts. You don't know a person's inner life, thoughts, and motivation.
Who are you to say people are condemned. and Use the bible as your authority. Overriding God's sovereignty as judge to take things as a case by case basis. According to you, he wrote the Book. He shouldn't have to answer to it. So quit defaulting to a book.

Humans are very complex. Black and White rules will not cut it, to determine a persons "salvation".

God himself repented at the creation of mankind before the Flood.
 

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so you think abortion is fine, and it wasnt for a medical/rape/incest reason? You both will have to answer to that on judgement day.

In that case, God will also have to answer for his genocides in the Old Testament and commending Lot for offering up his daughters to be raped.

"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
Hosea 13:16

Many Christians don't even consider the Old Testament to matter when yet the New Testament confirms that it does in Timothy 3:16. Many just read the same old verse 1000 times without reading anything else. It's funny how many schools and churches don't share many verses from the Old Testament.
 
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So what if say (hope it never happens), the doctors tell your wife she will have a low chance of survival after giving birth? Roll the dice with her life and hope she makes it or what?
I dunno. I think in certain circumstances maybe it would be necessary to save a life but I have never heard of such a thing. That is not really the issue here though. This is about 60 million aborted babies. I doubt many of those were due to some medical emergency. It is a common practice now.
 

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thats because people's "Value" of love has diminished. They dont care about it anymore. Being friendly isn't a priority to people.

I see this everywhere. Abortions isn't the only proof of this.
Condemning others, and fear-mongering is another example of this.
The rising gap between the rich and poor.

Its all a competition now. That's everybody's mindset.
So they point out "losers" to feel like "winners"
 

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I dunno. I think in certain circumstances maybe it would be necessary to save a life but I have never heard of such a thing. That is not really the issue here though. This is about 60 million aborted babies. I doubt many of those were due to some medical emergency. It is a common practice now.

700 to 900 women die each year due to giving birth in the U.S.

Either way it's the woman's body and the baby isn't entitled because it's feeding off of hers. Just like you can't drive or drink until a certain age.

By banning abortion, there's going to be so many kids given up for adoption and the majority of people won't be adopting. Only birth matters to those who are against abortion, they don't care for the rest of that baby's life.
 

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thats because people's "Value" of love has diminished. They dont care about it anymore. Being friendly isn't a priority to people.

I see this everywhere. Abortions isn't the only proof of this.
Condemning others, and fear-mongering is another example of this.
The rising gap between the rich and poor.

Its all a competition now. That's everybody's mindset.
So they point out "losers" to feel like "winners"
Boy that is the truth. People have become nasty and mean. Just look at the comment section of just about any news story. It is just people hating each other. quite sad.
 

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Boy that is the truth. People have become nasty and mean. Just look at the comment section of just about any news story. It is just people hating each other. quite sad.

Abortion leads to less people hating eachother :D
 

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In that case, God will also have to answer for his genocides in the Old Testament and commending Lot for offering up his daughters to be raped.

"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."

Hosea 13:16

wait… did you just say that God will have to answer for something????? Lolololol
 

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700 to 900 women die each year due to giving birth in the U.S.

Either way it's the woman's body and the baby isn't entitled because it's feeding off of hers. Just like you can't drive or drink until a certain age.

By banning abortion, there's going to be so many kids given up for adoption and the majority of people won't be adopting. Only birth matters to those who are against abortion, they don't care for the rest of that baby's life.
Really I had no idea. My opinion is the opposite of yours though. I think once the woman is pregnant, it isn't about here anymore. The baby is totally dependent on the mother and it is the mothers responsibility to bring the baby to birth.
 

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Really I had no idea. My opinion is the opposite of yours though. I think once the woman is pregnant, it isn't about here anymore. The baby is totally dependent on the mother and it is the mothers responsibility to bring the baby to birth.

There are so many other things that can go wrong during pregnancy other than the baby being aborted. For example, would you be fine if the doctors told you the baby is going to be born with some debilitating condition that will cause them to suffer for the rest of their life?
 

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wait… did you just say that God will have to answer for something????? Lolololol

Definitely. I want to know why he made the devil himself knowing that Lucifer would become the devil because he knows everything and why he would send his only son to suffer and die if he's such a loving father.
 

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There are so many other things that can go wrong during pregnancy other than the baby being aborted. For example, would you be fine if the doctors told you the baby is going to be born with some debilitating condition that will cause them to suffer for the rest of their life?
Well I think that God has a plan for every life. I have a lot of respect for people who raise kids with special needs. I am just glad that I have never been in a situation where I was presented with a choice like that.
 

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Definitely. I want to know why he made the devil himself knowing that Lucifer would become the devil because he knows everything and why he would send his only son to suffer and die if he's such a loving father.

you’re lost. Bottom line: unless you repent, you ARE going to hell.
 
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