So why are they removed from the Lord's kingdom?

[shilohsfoal]

It would appear that you have some misconceptions about what is written here.

The two are not wicked--nor removed from the Kingdom, but torment all who live in darkness and in the flesh, for they are sent of the Spirit of God bringing an end to all who live according to the flesh.

These two witnesses are referred to in the scriptures in many ways, even in parables, that the wicked should not understand until it is too late. These are those two who were crucified with Christ--who share in one death and life and are raised together in one cloud of ascension. Meaning, the two that become one new body: "first the Jew and then the gentile." Which is portrayed as such, but represent "the dead in Christ" (Israel), and "the living in Christ" (those born again among the gentiles)--the flesh and the spirit, as it is written:

1 Corinthians 15:46
However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.​

Actually, for the 3. 5 years they spend with the prostitute, all her children are worshiping the image of the beast and receiving the mark of the beast. That's why God gives her the cup of the wine of his wrath.
Leadscmecto believe she had been better off if those two prophets never entered her.

 

[shilohsfoal]

But, I didn't say that the third woe occurs before the second woe, so why make that accusation? My point is that what is described in Revelation 11:14-19 does not immediately follow everything that is described in Revelation 11:1-13 as you believe. Revelation 11:15-19 describes the third woe, which is the seventh trumpet. That follows the second woe, which is the sixth trumpet and that is described in Revelation 9:13-21.

So, as I've said multiple times now, Revelation 11:14 picks up where Revelation 9:21 left off rather than continuing chronologically from where Revelation 11:1-13 leaves off. So, because of this, your claim that the two witnesses are caught up before the seventh trumpet instead of at the sounding of the seventh trumpet is not true. Your claim is based on your assumption that Revelation 11:1-19 is all chronological instead of recognizing that Revelation 11:1-13 is a parenthetical passage while Revelation 11:14-19 continues from where Revelation 9:13-21 left off.

Well, it makes perfect since to me just the way John wrote it. I don't think there is any reason to dispute his words.
They make perfect since are it is and corresponds to Daniel 11.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Actually, for the 3. 5 years they spend with the prostitute, all her children are worshiping the image of the beast and receiving the mark of the beast. That's why God gives her the cup of the wine of his wrath.
Leadscmecto believe she had been better off if those two prophets never entered her.

Are you saying you think the two witnesses will experience God's wrath or am I misunderstanding you here?

 

[shilohsfoal]

What makes you think that they are removed from Christ's Kingdom? You are simply not interpreting correctly what is written. Anyone who goes to Heaven is within the Kingdom of God.

We pray thy kingdom come because it has yet to come. It shall though just a few verses after the two prophets are taken out of it.

Matthew 13:41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will weed out of His kingdom every cause of sin and all who practice lawlessness.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Well, it makes perfect since to me just the way John wrote it. I don't think there is any reason to dispute his words.

I'm not disputing his words, I'm disputing your interpretation of his words. Good grief.

 

[shilohsfoal]

I'm not disputing his words, I'm disputing your interpretation of his words. Good grief.

Like I said, It's is perfect the way it is. It lines up perfectly with Daniel 11.

 

[amigo de christo]

I strongly disagree, as I stated they have no part of the whore Jerusalem, horse is dead on this issue

Yep . They were in the whore but NOT OF THE WHORE . They have no part nor lott in HER MATTER .
NOR DO THE LAMBS . No lamb will have unity with a harlot or THE HARLOT .

 

[shilohsfoal]

Are you saying you think the two witnesses will experience God's wrath or am I misunderstanding you here?

Would Jesus do that to his servants you ask?

 

[amigo de christo]

Now your saying a cloud of smoke is not a cloud?
From what I've read of the prostitute, people see smoke coming from Babylon.

Its the clouds . HAS NUTTING TO DO WITH SMOKE . That was your own intepretration my friend .
JUST as the lambs shall one day be caught up unto HIM in the clouds . Not SMOKE .

 

[amigo de christo]

I Disagree, post scripture to support your claims, waiting

WE are IN THE WORLD , but NOT OF THE WORLD . Just as those two prophets were IN JERUSALEM
but they are not of THE HARLOT . ME thinks the foal of shiloh is seeing things WRONG .

 

[shilohsfoal]

Its the clouds . HAS NUTTING TO DO WITH SMOKE . That was your own intepretration my friend .
JUST as the lambs shall one day be caught up unto HIM in the clouds . Not SMOKE .

You believe no smoke will ascend from the prostitute?

 

[amigo de christo]

You believe no smoke will ascend from the prostitute?

OF course it will from her . But ya cant try and turn that into the same meaning that applies to the two prophets .
THEY GO UP TO BE WITH THE LORD , the whore BURNS DOWN TO THE GROUND .

 

[shilohsfoal]

WE are IN THE WORLD , but NOT OF THE WORLD . Just as those two prophets were IN JERUSALEM
but they are not of THE HARLOT . ME thinks the foal of shiloh is seeing things WRONG .

Me thinks it would have been good if those two prophets had a talking donkey.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Its the clouds . HAS NUTTING TO DO WITH SMOKE . That was your own intepretration my friend .
JUST as the lambs shall one day be caught up unto HIM in the clouds . Not SMOKE .

I agree, they ascend up to be in the presence of the Lamb. That we agree on.

Revelation 14:10 he too will drink the wine of God's anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

 

[amigo de christo]

Me thinks it would have been good if those two prophets had a talking donkey.

They dont need a donkey to talk to them . Baalim , HE DID NEED IT , cause the LORD was about to DESTROY HIM .

 

[amigo de christo]

I agree, they ascend up to be in the presence of the Lamb. That we agree on.

Revelation 14:10 he too will drink the wine of God's anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

If you dont mind me asking . Surely you do not believe that all paths and all religoins will end up in heaven .
Now before you answer , let me explain . I SAY that cause about seventy percent of christendom is now believing that lie .
THEY no longer believe ONE must have FAITH in CHRIST to be saved . I ONLY ask .

 

[shilohsfoal]

They dont need a donkey to talk to them . Baalim , HE DID NEED IT , cause the LORD was about to DESTROY HIM .

well, not all prophets are perfect.
There is one sent to Jerusalem with two horns like a lamb and it causes the harlot to worship the image of a beast and recieve its mark. It will spend 42 months with the harlot.Then it is cast into a lake of fire.

 

[ScottA]

Actually, for the 3. 5 years they spend with the prostitute, all her children are worshiping the image of the beast and receiving the mark of the beast. That's why God gives her the cup of the wine of his wrath.
Leadscmecto believe she had been better off if those two prophets never entered her.

It doesn't appear that you understood what I have just said.

I am speaking of "a time, times, and half a time", with that 3.5 days or years, being that "half a time", and the "time, times" appointed "To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness."

 

[shilohsfoal]

If you dont mind me asking . Surely you do not believe that all paths and all religoins will end up in heaven .
Now before you answer , let me explain . I SAY that cause about seventy percent of christendom is now believing that lie .
THEY no longer believe ONE must have FAITH in CHRIST to be saved . I ONLY ask .

This thread isn't about any of the that. It's about the two prophet who spend 3.5 years with the prostitute. After those 3.5 years she is given the cup of the wine of the wrath of God because she worshiped the image of the beast for those 3.5 years and recieved the mark of the beast.

You say those two prophets had nothing to do with it. You say they are completely innocent as they spent all thier time killing and tormenting people as the saints in Israel are persecuted from city to city and are being killed.

 

[shilohsfoal]

It doesn't appear that you understood what I have just said.

I am speaking of "a time, times, and half a time", with that 3.5 days or years, being that "half a time", and the "time, times" appointed "To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness."

That is the same 42 months.
While the holy people(saints) in Israel are being persecuted and killed, the two witnesses spend thier time killing and tormenting people.

They walk two completely different paths.