No Righteousness of Obeying The Ten Commandments

[robert derrick]

Very Christian behavior -- not! Jesus clearly said to love our neighbor; apparently you missed that part. You are deluding yourself if you think that you have a sound mind. Clearly you are very troubled in both mind and spirit.

A neighbor on this site is specifically someone seeking to correct and be corrected in the doctrine of Christ by the Scriptures.

This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

Once you've played the hate card several times, it wears thin. It can only cover your childish lack of response for so long.

I.e. "You're mean!" is for children, not adult neighbors.

Lawless sinners know nothing of the things of God, especially the love of God, unless they repent and receive Him with power to become His sons.

Your rejection of power of Jesus to be obedient to God 100% of the time, is lukewarm hypocrisy at worst, and the ignorance of the wrongly instructed at best.

Stop hating God some of the time, and start loving Him all of the time:

Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Christian behavior is not trying to 'understand' why some naming Christ preach against obeying God 100% of the time. That is only for those seeking to please men and not serve Christ.

So, just repent and you'll begin to love the correction of the Lord and not cry about it as mean 'hate-speech'.

 

[Episkopos]

A neighbor on this site is specifically someone seeking to correct and be corrected in the doctrine of Christ by the Scriptures.

This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

Once you've played the hate card several times, it wears thin. It can only cover your childish lack of response for so long.

I.e. "You're mean!" is for children, not adult neighbors.

Lawless sinners know nothing of the things of God, especially the love of God, unless they repent and receive Him with power to become His sons.

Your rejection of power of Jesus to be obedient to God 100% of the time, is lukewarm hypocrisy at worst, and the ignorance of the wrongly instructed at best.

Stop hating God some of the time, and start loving Him all of the time:

Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Christian behavior is not trying to 'understand' why some naming Christ preach against obeying God 100% of the time. That is only for those seeking to please men and not serve Christ.

So, just repent and you'll begin to love the correction of the Lord and not cry about it as mean 'hate-speech'.

You are forgetting that you are not the Lord...nor do you speak for Him. You rail against anyone that crosses your religious outer man and the opinions held by that part of you. Religious fanaticism does not speak the truth in love. I see neither truth nor love in your posturings as I'm sure many here would also agree.

 

[robert derrick]

You are forgetting that you are not the Lord...nor do you speak for Him. You rail against anyone that crosses your religious outer man and the opinions held by that part of you. Religious fanaticism does not speak the truth in love. I see neither truth nor love in your posturings as I'm sure many here would also agree.

Gee. Another childish temper tantrum. Without refute.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

So, when Scripture is given you don't like. It's not the Lord for you to obey.

Well, since obviously you do speak for the Lord, as the Lord, so that you can blanketly reject any Scripture you disagree with, then perhaps I should return to sinning against God part time like you, so that I can then condemn any preacher of righteousness, as being 'mean'.

I've admonished twice, I'm now free to move on.

 

[Wynona]

When Paul speaks of dying to the law, he means dying to righteousness of obeying the law

Die to righteousness of obeying the law and sin shall not be your master. And Paul could testify to the truth of it

I don't think it's about dying to righteousness of obeying the law. It's about dying to dead works without faith.

Romans 3:31

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.


The law is not void but fulfilled through faith. I don't think Christians should simply ignore the law because sin is lawlessness (1 John 3:4).

True faith results in obedience to the law through the power of the Holy Spirit.

The law points us to Christ and Christ leads us to fulfilling the laws demands through love and other fruit of the Spirit.

 

[Michael S. Blanchard]

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There IS righteousness in obeying the law of God. BUT that righteousness must be imputed to the obedient one by God not ourselves. We can never justify ourselves by what we have done OR what we believe. It is God who justifies and no other.

Should we obey the law! YES! No unrighteous person will inherit the kingdom. The law is a gauge of sin. Are we sinners? Then let us be repentant and be broken in the outer man so that we truly take on a contrite and lowly heart.

WOW!!

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't think it's about dying to righteousness of obeying the law. It's about dying to dead works without faith.

Romans 3:31

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.


The law is not void but fulfilled through faith. I don't think Christians should simply ignore the law because sin is lawlessness (1 John 3:4).

True faith results in obedience to the law through the power of the Holy Spirit.

The law points us to Christ and Christ leads us to fulfilling the laws demands through love and other fruit of the Spirit.

Let all praise and thank the glorious Lord .

 

[Robert Gwin]

Yeah. That Sabbath is such a burden and a right pain isn't it.

Amen to that sir. I and everyone I know would have to be executed if we were still under that law. Num 15:32-36

 

[mailmandan]

Amen to that sir. I and everyone I know would have to be executed if we were still under that law. Num 15:32-36

Good point. If the sabbath day law was still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Now who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue, the Seventh day Adventist church or perhaps the Government?

 

[Robert Gwin]

It means that you have received the Holy Spirit (as Jesus promised), are under God's grace and have received forgiveness of sins.

All Christians are under God's grace and receive forgiveness of sin Jim, and I do agree with your definition that those born again have received the Holy Spirit, as a matter of fact they are baptized with it. Now what is the reason for their receiving the calling sir?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Of course I agree with that. If anyone has received the Holy Spirit but does nothing to love (assist) their neighbor then they are just being selfish. However, "works" are not a requirement if one can't do them. Think of people in nursing homes, for example. They are at the end of their lives. What "works" should they be doing?

I fully agree Jim, hence the parable of the talents, according to your ability. For God to be just, all non compass people will get the chance through the resurrection, as well as all who have not had the opportunity to know Him. God is not unrighteous sir, but we work according to our capabilities.

 

[Brakelite]

Good point. If the sabbath day law was still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Now who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue, the Seventh day Adventist church or perhaps the Government?

How about the same government that enforces the penalty for covetousness?

Amen to that sir. I and everyone I know would have to be executed if we were still under that law. Num 15:32-36

I was being facetious. And you are actually absolutely correct. The wages of sin is death. And because now you are in borrowed time, doesn't mean the chickens will not come home to roost.

 

[Jim B]

I don't think it's about dying to righteousness of obeying the law. It's about dying to dead works without faith.

Romans 3:31

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.


The law is not void but fulfilled through faith. I don't think Christians should simply ignore the law because sin is lawlessness (1 John 3:4).

True faith results in obedience to the law through the power of the Holy Spirit.

The law points us to Christ and Christ leads us to fulfilling the laws demands through love and other fruit of the Spirit.

If you go back three verses you read this: "For we consider that a person is declared righteous by faith apart from the works of the law." Romans 3:28

Try reading Galatians. It clearly explains that those who are under the law have missed the truth in Christ.

Here is an excerpt: "You foolish Galatians! Who has cast a spell on you? Before your eyes Jesus Christ was vividly portrayed as crucified! The only thing I want to learn from you is this: Did you receive the Spirit by doing the works of the law or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? Although you began with the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by human effort? Have you suffered so many things for nothing?—if indeed it was for nothing. Does God then give you the Spirit and work miracles among you by your doing the works of the law or by your believing what you heard?" Galatians 3:1-5

And a few verses later: "For all who rely on doing the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not keep on doing everything written in the book of the law.” Now it is clear no one is justified before God by the law, because the righteous one will live by faith. But the law is not based on faith, but the one who does the works of the law will live by them. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us (because it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”) in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles, so that we could receive the promise of the Spirit by faith." Galatians 3:10-14

If you put yourself under the law you are denying Christ. It's that simple.

 

[Wynona]

If you put yourself under the law you are denying Christ. It's that simple.

When you say, put yourself under the law, what exactly do you mean? Do you mean trying to obey the ten commandments?

How are Christians supposed to behave without risking denying Christ, then?

 

[Jim B]

When you say, put yourself under the law, what exactly do you mean? Do you mean trying to obey the ten commandments?

How are Christians supposed to behave without risking denying Christ, then?

Putting yourself under the law means obeying, not only the ten commandments, but the entire Old Testament law, the Torah. It is impossible to do so by human effort.

I don't understand the second question. Christians are guided internally by the Holy Spirit, who Jesus said will guide us into all truth. Also, since Jesus paid the price for all sins for all time, we are justified -- deemed innocent -- by faith.

 

[Brakelite]

Putting yourself under the law means obeying, not only the ten commandments, but the entire Old Testament law, the Torah. It is impossible to do so by human effort.

I don't understand the second question. Christians are guided internally by the Holy Spirit, who Jesus said will guide us into all truth. Also, since Jesus paid the price for all sins for all time, we are justified -- deemed innocent -- by faith.

God wrote the Ten Commandments... The law of God... With His own finger on stone. The holy Spirit of God does indeed guide and lead us to righteousness... We receive imputed righteousness by faith, we receive imparted righteousness by faith. The thing is you, and many other antinomian believers, think the Spirit of God contradicts the one who wrote the currents on Sinai.
KJV Psalms 23:3
3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake

KJV Psalms 24:3-5
3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?
4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.
5 He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.

KJV Psalms 119:172
172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness

KJV Isaiah 42:21
21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

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[savedbygrace1]

I don't think it's about dying to righteousness of obeying the law. It's about dying to dead works without faith.

Romans 3:31

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.


The law is not void but fulfilled through faith. I don't think Christians should simply ignore the law because sin is lawlessness (1 John 3:4).

True faith results in obedience to the law through the power of the Holy Spirit.

The law points us to Christ and Christ leads us to fulfilling the laws demands through love and other fruit of the Spirit.

If I may respond here:

You wrote

I don't think it's about dying to righteousness of obeying the law. It's about dying to dead works without faith


And if we are careful to obey all this law before the Lord our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.” Deut6:25

Under the old covenant, righteousness of obeying the law was in place(officially)

But under the new covenant:

21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in[h] Jesus Christ to all who believe Romans3:20-22

Note but now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known. This righteousness is through faith in Christ

So under the old covenant righteousness of obeying the law was in place, under the new covenant it has been removed. So figuratively speaking, we do die to the law where righteousness is concerned. Believers must die to righteousness of obeying the law and live by righteousness of faith in Christ. You quoted

Romans 3:31

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

That is a great scripture. Paul did not state the law itself had been removed/what is written in it, only righteousness of obeying it had been removed:

For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness(not full stop) to every one that believeth. Romans10:4

I will write another post directly relating to your verse.

You wrote:

The law is not void but fulfilled through faith. I don't think Christians should simply ignore the law because sin is lawlessness (1 John 3:4).

Absolutely, the law/what is written in the law is not void, only righteousness of obeying it is void. You cannot ignore what is within you, the law is now in your heart. Through faith(in Christ) we obey.

You wrote:

‘’True faith results in obedience to the law through the power of the Holy Spirit’’

Absolutely!


You wrote:

‘’The law points us to Christ and Christ leads us to fulfilling the laws demands through love and other fruit of the Spirit.’’


Wonderfully put

 

[savedbygrace1]

Romans 3:31

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

In regards to Romans 3:31, that verse is part of a much larger section of verses. Reading a verse in isolation, without verses associated with it, can give a misleading understanding of the verse:

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith inh]">[h] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,i]">[i] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith(righteousness of faith)? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. 20-31



In the above section, of which verse 31 is included, Paul states no one will declared righteous in God’s sight by works of the law/obeying the law. Believers have a righteousness apart from law. A believer’s righteousness is faith in Christ. Boasting is excluded, because a person is not justified/righteous by law but by faith(in Christ) apart from the law.

Now what would many of Paul’s readers have thought when reading the above? The same as many on this website it seems would think. ‘Well if we have righteousness apart from the law, we can act however we like, and ignore the good and Holy laws of God.’ And so, Paul, knowing many would come to that conclusion, finished the chapter with verse 31

Paul’s view was the complete opposite of what many believe. To him, if you live by a righteousness of faith in Christ, not one of obeying the law, you will not nullify, or make void the law, but rather you will uphold it, or establish it.

So to accept Paul’s message concerning this subject, two questions need to be asked

1) Why, if a believer has no righteousness of obeying the law is this not a licence to sin?

2) Why, if you live under a righteousness of faith in Christ, rather than one of obeying the law, will this result in you upholding, or establishing the law?

 

[mailmandan]

In regards to Romans 3:31, that verse is part of a much larger section of verses. Reading a verse in isolation, without verses associated with it, can give a misleading understanding of the verse:

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith inh]">[h] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,i]">[i] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. 20-31

In the above section, of which verse 31 is included, Paul states no one will declared righteous in God’s sight by works of the law/obeying the law. Believers have a righteousness apart from law. A believer’s righteousness is faith in Christ. Boasting is excluded, because a person is not justified/righteous by law but by faith(in Christ) apart from the law.

Now what would many of Paul’s readers have thought when reading the above? The same as many on this website it seems would think. ‘Well if we have righteousness apart from the law, we can act however we like, and ignore the good and Holy laws of God.’ And so, Paul, knowing many would come to that conclusion, finished the chapter with verse 31

Paul’s view was the complete opposite of what many believe. To him, if you live by a righteousness of faith in Christ, not one of obeying the law, you will not nullify, or make void the law, but rather you will uphold it, or establish it.

So to accept Paul’s message concerning this subject, two questions need to be asked

1) Why, if a believer has no righteousness of obeying the law is this not a licence to sin?

2) Why, if you live under a righteousness of faith in Christ, rather than one of obeying the law, will this result in you upholding, or establishing the law?

Amen! We uphold the law by putting our faith in the One who fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf and who offers us His perfect righteousness as a gift. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9) Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4)

 

[Robert Gwin]

Good point. If the sabbath day law was still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Now who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue, the Seventh day Adventist church or perhaps the Government?

When the law was in force it was done by someone in the faith. Since it is a law of a faith, then it would be up to that faith to determine who would take care of it. Interesting thought however, heck I don't even know who was responsible in my faith, the account I listed showed the individual stoned by the whole assembly. We all benefit from the new covenant for sure Dan.

 

[Robert Gwin]

How about the same government that enforces the penalty for covetousness?

I was being facetious. And you are actually absolutely correct. The wages of sin is death. And because now you are in borrowed time, doesn't mean the chickens will not come home to roost.

We are not really in borrowed time Brake, the appointed time, will come exactly on time sir. An interesting point that you may not have considered is that there will be survivors through the great tribulation, the chickens may not come home to roost for them, interesting huh?