The soon coming rapture?

[The Light]

Which verses. Revelation 14 is divided into several different events.

I'll repost the exact question. Ok, I'm ready. Can you explain what is going in Rev 14 when Jesus comes? How does that fit in the end times timeline?

I'll go ahead and post the verses to try and eliminate your confusion.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

 

[The Light]

Some only have one.

https://www.hgtv.com/outdoors/flowers-and-plants/trees-and-shrubs/twig-newton-how-to-grow-a-fig-tree

"Some varieties produce one crop of figs each year, while others produce two."

Great. The one in the word is talking about two as the fathers of Israel were seen as the first ripe in the fig tree, at her first time. But they served other Gods and would not be the first harvest.

Hos 9
10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

 

[The Light]

Then why does Revelation 11 show the end of the Great Tribulation at the end of the 6th trump?

That's simple. It does not show the end of the great tribulation at the end of the 6th trump. That is only something that you think. It is incorrect. The great tribulation is over at the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. Here is the proof.

Rev 7
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

And why when the 7th trump sounds, we are told the wrath of God has come?

Simple. Because it has come. It's come and its over.

Rev 10
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

How does the Great Tribulation end in the 6th seal and end again in the 6th trump?

Again. Simple. The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. The fact that you think it ends again at the 6th trumpet is wrong.

How does the wrath of God start at the 6rth seal and also start at the 7th trump?

Simple Simon. It doesn't. We see the wrath of God coming at the 6th seal and it actually begins when the 1st trumpet is blown. The wrath of God does not begin at the 7th trumpet, it ends at the 7th trumpet.

The problem is that you think that the tribulation and the wrath of God are the same thing. They are not. The great tribulation is when the dragon goes after the seed of the woman. The woman is Israel and the seed of the woman is the 12 tribes across the earth. When the dragon can't get to the woman, he goes after her seed.

If the great tribulation was not shortened, no flesh would be saved. That means no flesh would be alive to be raptured alive unto salvation. All believers would be dead.

So, the tribulation is the dragon going after believers, and the wrath of God is the wrath of God. These are two completely separate events. The tribulation is over at the 6th seal and the wrath of God is over at the 7th trumpet.

 

[ewq1938]

That's simple. It does not show the end of the great tribulation at the end of the 6th trump.

Of course it does. The beast is still in power, and kills the two prophets! That means the Great Tribulation is still in place and has not ended.

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

That happens near the end of the Great Tribulation.

 

[amigo de christo]

All i know is the COMING OF THE LORD draws nigh indeed . And if one has not Christ they will wail on that day .
But for those who know the LORD , they will be forever with HE who has saved them .
So my advice is , GET THE GOSPEL OUT and LEARN the JESUS of that bible well . cause another jesus aint gonna save ya .

 

[James Macbeth]

All i know is the COMING OF THE LORD draws nigh indeed . And if one has not Christ they will wail on that day .
But for those who know the LORD , they will be forever with HE who has saved them .
So my advice is , GET THE GOSPEL OUT and LEARN the JESUS of that bible well . cause another jesus aint gonna save ya .

Please tell me more.

 

[The Light]

The Rapture might be from sunset August 11th unto sunset September 25th; the day, hour, or year no man knows.

But that is the season of the Fig tree, talked about by our Lord Jesus.

I will post more information later.

Jesus said summer is near in regard to the fig tree. Much more likely that the rapture of the Church will be on Pentecost

 

[James Macbeth]

Jesus said summer is near in regard to the fig tree. Much more likely that the rapture of the Church will be on Pentecost

But people do not marry on Pentecost.
And the Jews fast from meats and eat dairy.
The Season I gave, is from the last holy day in the Jewish calendar unto the Jewish New Years.
That is the time of Harvest for the Jews.
Our Lord: they shall be eating & drinking, marrying, and giving into marriage.
The last Jewish holy day, men & woman marry, and get engaged, and do not fast, but are happy and eat & drink.
Untill their New Years, then fasting, and repentance, and much praying.

 

[The Light]

But people do not marry on Pentecost.
And the Jews fast from meats and eat dairy.
The Season I gave, is from the last holy day in the Jewish calendar unto the Jewish New Years.
That is the time of Harvest for the Jews.
Our Lord: they shall be eating & drinking, marrying, and giving into marriage.
The last Jewish holy day, men & woman marry, and get engaged, and do not fast, but are happy and eat & drink.
Untill their New Years, then fasting, and repentance, and much praying.

There are two raptures. Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. The Church will be raptured pre trib before the seals are open. The seals are the 70th week of Daniel. There will also be a pre wrath rapture of the 12 tribes at the 6th seal. The time you mentioned is the time for the rapture of the 12 tribes.

There are 144,000 first fruits, 12,000 from each tribes. That should tell you there will be a harvest of the twelve tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman. If the first fruits are pumpkins, the harvest is pumpkins. So it will be with the 12 tribes.

 

[Timtofly]

Jesus said summer is near in regard to the fig tree. Much more likely that the rapture of the Church will be on Pentecost

I guess we will figure that out by next Monday. If not a whole year will have to pass.

 

[The Light]

I guess we will figure that out by next Monday. If not a whole year will have to pass.

Pentecost is the most likely time as it is the 2nd harvest. The Passover barley harvest would be the 1st. The dead in Christ rise first.

 

[Timtofly]

There are two raptures. Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. The Church will be raptured pre trib before the seals are open. The seals are the 70th week of Daniel. There will also be a pre wrath rapture of the 12 tribes at the 6th seal. The time you mentioned is the time for the rapture of the 12 tribes.

There are 144,000 first fruits, 12,000 from each tribes. That should tell you there will be a harvest of the twelve tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman. If the first fruits are pumpkins, the harvest is pumpkins. So it will be with the 12 tribes.

What about the sheep and the goats? Are the sheep separate from the 144k? Why did the sheep stand in Judgment in Jerusalem, and not the 144k? Did you not take this as literal:

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats."

How is appearing before a throne in Jerusalem considered being raptured? Or do you reject that Jesus even sets up a throne in a temple in Jerusalem? The very place Satan will take over if given 42 months.

Why do people think Satan is going to set up Jesus' glorious throne instead of Jesus as Prince setting up His own throne?

Paul only gave us one rapture at the Second Coming. Now people think they can pull multiple raptures out of thin air and insert them into God's Word?

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus said summer is near in regard to the fig tree. Much more likely that the rapture of the Church will be on Pentecost

No, he said when we see certain signs that will will know summer is near.

 

[The Light]

Paul only gave us one rapture at the Second Coming.

EXACTLY, so we are on the same page. There is only one rapture at the second coming AT THE 6TH SEAL.

Now people think they can pull multiple raptures out of thin air and insert them into God's Word?

Yeah. It's a shame isn't it? Some people think Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. And some people think the very day Lot left Sodom destruction came. Some people think that the Lord Himself will come for His church and some people think He will send His angels for the gathering from heaven and earth. Some people think that the Lord will come at the trump of God or voice of God and some people think that he will come at the last trump. And some people thing that the fig tree has two harvest. Where could these people possibly come up with these ideas? Thin air or scripture?

 

[ewq1938]

EXACTLY, so we are on the same page. There is only one rapture at the second coming AT THE 6TH SEAL.

No, it's at the last trump, long after all the seals have been opened.

 

[The Light]

No, it's at the last trump, long after all the seals have been opened.

the last trump blown on a feast of God not the 7th trumpet blown by an angel

 

[ewq1938]

the last trump blown on a feast of God not the 7th trumpet blown by an angel

The verse says nothing about a feast of God. It says the last trump and the dead resurrect, that's also what happens when Christ comes in another verse where the dead rise and the rapture happens. All these events happen at the last of 7 trumps.

 

[Timtofly]

EXACTLY, so we are on the same page. There is only one rapture at the second coming AT THE 6TH SEAL.
Yeah. It's a shame isn't it? Some people think Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. And some people think the very day Lot left Sodom destruction came. Some people think that the Lord Himself will come for His church and some people think He will send His angels for the gathering from heaven and earth. Some people think that the Lord will come at the trump of God or voice of God and some people think that he will come at the last trump. And some people thing that the fig tree has two harvest. Where could these people possibly come up with these ideas? Thin air or scripture?

So the only rapture is mentioned in Revelation 6:12 because that is the one and only Second Coming. Revelation 19 is not the Second Coming. It is the return after those 42 months mentioned in Revelation 13:5.

That means Jesus is on the earth with His angels from the 6th Seal until, and only leaves if, there is a 42 month period, given to Satan in Revelation 13:5. Otherwise Jesus nevers leaves earth at all but stays on earth from the 6th Seal until the 7th Trumpet, and the start of the Millennium.

I understand, everyone wants to jumble it all up and claim everything happens at the same time. It is just not physically possible to claim all prophecy is just figurative, thus it all means the same thing. If that were the case, God would have not given us so much detail and different time stamps.

 

[Truth7t7]

I'll repost the exact question. Ok, I'm ready. Can you explain what is going in Rev 14 when Jesus comes? How does that fit in the end times timeline?

I'll go ahead and post the verses to try and eliminate your confusion.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

It clearly states the angel had power over fire, as the earth is being harvested

Revelation 14 that you provide is nothing more than the second coming, harvest in resurrection, and final judgement by fire

 

[Truth7t7]

the last trump blown on a feast of God not the 7th trumpet blown by an angel

It doesn't state anything about a trump blown on a feast of God as claimed, pure assumption in speculation