Nazis, foreshadowing the Christian Holocaust, by the Antichrist.

[Rita]

Did our Lord not pick up a physical Cross for you?
I am not ashamed of the Cross, I carry mine everyday.

When Satanist attack a Church, do they attack a white wall, or the holy images?

So you believe that Jesus was telling his followers to carry a crucifix around with them every day.
Sorry, I have nothing against people having crosses - so I definitely wasn’t saying you should be ashamed of having a cross. That verse is a symbolic reference to what we are willing to go through for following Christ, the cross represented Christ dying , suffering , for us.
Having a cross can remind someone of what Christ went through, but to interpret that verse literally and imply that it is a command to carry a physical representation of the actual cross ( which I might add would not have been any resemblance of the cross that is depicted in paintings ect ) is beyond me.
Rita

 

[James Macbeth]

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This is natural, simple, and based on five of the seven letters that in the Roman system have numerical values, namely i, v, l, c, and d. The letter u was originally the same as v, which can sometimes still be seen on monuments and tombstones.

Here we must remark that when he will have come, the name of Antichrist will be well known.

Before Christ came, the Jews did not know for certain by what name he would be called, although the prophets preached much concerning his name.

Even one of the Sibyls, in the first book of the songs of Sibyls, remarked that the number of the name of Christ was going to be 888, even as John writes that Antichrist’s number is 666.

But after Christ came, all controversy was abolished, and everyone knows he is called Jesus.

 

[James Macbeth]

So you believe that Jesus was telling his followers to carry a crucifix around with them every day.
Sorry, I have nothing against people having crosses - so I definitely wasn’t saying you should be ashamed of having a cross. That verse is a symbolic reference to what we are willing to go through for following Christ, the cross represented Christ dying , suffering , for us.
Having a cross can remind someone of what Christ went through, but to interpret that verse literally and imply that it is a command to carry a physical representation of the actual cross ( which I might add would not have been any resemblance of the cross that is depicted in paintings ect ) is beyond me.
Rita

But the Church has always done it, why change it?

 

[James Macbeth]

Amen

Are you a follower of Ellen G Witch?

 

[Rita]

But the Church has always done it, why change it?

Do you never question why a church does something and what it is based on ?
just because a church has always done something it does not make it scriptural, it just means that something was introduced by man and a tradition was born….all churches have traditions. Over time they become so ingrained and followed that future generations just believe they are scriptural and must be done.
How would you feel if you lost your cross, if you could not wear it for days……that would test whether you wear it as a protection and reliance.
When lock down happened many people who could not attend a church building fell apart, their whole faith was based on ‘ the church ‘ and not on a relationship with Christ that could be experienced anywhere without the need of others or artifacts , or traditions.
You do know that the eqyptians and assyrians, long before Christ had crosses ……
The crucifix was introduced into the church about 200 years after Christ’s death and it gradually became more popular.

 

[James Macbeth]

Do you never question why a church does something and what it is based on ?
just because a church has always done something it does not make it scriptural, it just means that something was introduced by man and a tradition was born….all churches have traditions. Over time they become so ingrained and followed that future generations just believe they are scriptural and must be done.
How would you feel if you lost your cross, if you could not wear it for days……that would test whether you wear it as a protection and reliance.
When lock down happened many people who could not attend a church building fell apart, their whole faith was based on ‘ the church ‘ and not on a relationship with Christ that could be experienced anywhere without the need of others or artifacts , or traditions.
You do know that the eqyptians and assyrians, long before Christ had crosses ……
The crucifix was introduced into the church about 200 years after Christ’s death and it gradually became more popular.

Ok. But do you take the book of Revelations literally or symbolically?

 

[Rita]

Ok. But do you take the book of Revelations literally or symbolically?

It’s symbolic of the events that will unfold , and it’s open to interpretation ( hence why so many predict so many different things )
The gospels are not written in the same way, they are diaries of events that were witnessed, the book of Revelation was given to John through a vision , insights ……..and he was told to write them down.
Also much depends on when you believe the revelations began and this has also led to so many different thoughts on how things would have unfolded since the book was written. Rita

 

[James Macbeth]

It’s symbolic of the events that will unfold , and it’s open to interpretation ( hence why so many predict so many different things )
The gospels are not written in the same way, they are diaries of events that were witnessed, the book of Revelation was given to John through a vision , insights ……..and he was told to write them down.
Also much depends on when you believe the revelations began and this has also led to so many different thoughts on how things would have unfolded since the book was written. Rita

It's probably fake, that's what a lot of scholars are saying now.

And many early churches rejected it.

And it was added to the Aramaic canon very late.

Maybe it's just the Gospels that have the end times.

 

[Rita]

‘ It’s probably fake ‘ …….and you believe that just because some scholars question it.
I may not understand all it’s symbolic references, but as far as I am concerned it is one of the most important books of hope within scripture. It reveals who is sovereign within the world and who ultimately holds the power and knowledge of all things…. It also reveals the ultimate victory.

I think it is very unwise to state ‘ it’s probably fake ‘ on a forum that values all scripture. That believes that scripture is the inspired word of God ………..
I find that so odd, you open a thread about the mark of the beast that is mentioned in revelation, you conclude how events will unfold, which is what revelation does but then choose to second guess the whole book of relevation itself and claim it’s probably not true!
You also take things literal , like wearing the cross as meaning ‘ carry your cross ‘ ……….
I understand scripture from what is laid on my heart through the Holy Spirit, which includes trusting that the book of revelation is inspired. You seem to base things on what your church does and what scholars have concluded …….

 

[Brakelite]

Antichrist Will be a Specific Man.

Now I come to the Scriptures whereby it is proved that the seat of the Antichrist is going to be in Jerusalem, not Rome.

Revelations 11:8, where John says that Enoch & Elijah are going to fight with Antichrist in Jerusalem, and must be killed there by the same Antichrist: ‘And they will throw their bodies in the streets of the great city, which is spiritually called Sodom, and Egypt, where even their Lord was crucified.’

Arethas in this citation says: ‘Their bodies he will cast out unburied in the streets of Jerusalem, for in it he will reign as King of the Jews.’
Likewise, all other interpreters show, and this can be rightly said to be Jerusalem, and it cannot be denied.

For what City is it in which the Lord was crucified but Jerusalem?

Can you show from scripture that those 'witnesses' are Enoch and Elijah? Thankyou.

 

[Brakelite]

The Reformers recognized the apostasized papacy as the prevailing antichrist of their era with whom God had called them into spiritual battle. However, they were also well familiar with John's epistles, and recognized that there had been many antichrists before their time, and would be many thereafter.

Yet there has ever been only one Antichrist entity that has fulfilled every criteria demanded of it in prophecy.

 

[Brakelite]

So why do you not have a Crucifix?
Did our Lord not say pick up your Cross?

The cross was an instrument of Roman torture, designed to inflict excruciating (a word devised by Rome in order to describe the suffering inflicted and from which the word crucify comes)pain. The cross never needed to be the means by which Christ offered His life. The real memorial of the death of Christ is baptism. And the cross we bear is not a piece of brazen metal imaging torture, but a self sacrificing life spent in the service of others, as Jesus did.

 

[Brakelite]

It is in John’s Gospel where the Lord says to the Jews: ‘I have come in my Father’s name, and you have not received me. If another will have come in my name, you will receive him.’

We proved that this citation ought to be understood to be about Antichrist in the second chapter above.

Then from the Apostle: ‘For the reason, since they do not receive the charity of truth that they may be saved, God will send to them the operation of error, that they would believe lies, etc.’

Calvin and other heretics in commentaries on these words argue that these words are about us [Catholics], who, because we do not receive their Gospel, he permitted to be seduced by Antichrist.

But we have all the interpreters on our side, who show it speaks about the Jews.
See Ambrose, Chrysostom, Theodoret, Theophylactus, and Oecumenius.

The root meaning of anti-christos is in the place of...instead of. How can the Jews present themselves in the place of Christ, and place themselves in a position which replaces Christ in the minds of the world leading to false worship, any more than Catholicism that has placed images, statues, Mary, saints, a false priesthood, good works, and ritualism, all of which you approve of and encourage on this forum, and all of which is designed for and effectively accomplishes a system of religion that removes Christ as the focal point of worship and salvation?

 

[James Macbeth]

‘ It’s probably fake ‘ …….and you believe that just because some scholars question it.
I may not understand all it’s symbolic references, but as far as I am concerned it is one of the most important books of hope within scripture. It reveals who is sovereign within the world and who ultimately holds the power and knowledge of all things…. It also reveals the ultimate victory.

I think it is very unwise to state ‘ it’s probably fake ‘ on a forum that values all scripture. That believes that scripture is the inspired word of God ………..
I find that so odd, you open a thread about the mark of the beast that is mentioned in revelation, you conclude how events will unfold, which is what revelation does but then choose to second guess the whole book of relevation itself and claim it’s probably not true!
You also take things literal , like wearing the cross as meaning ‘ carry your cross ‘ ……….
I understand scripture from what is laid on my heart through the Holy Spirit, which includes trusting that the book of revelation is inspired. You seem to base things on what your church does and what scholars have concluded …….

Who knows, it's only there because of.the Catholic church. That's what I heard. Not sure how true it is.

 

[covenantee]

Yet there has ever been only one Antichrist entity that has fulfilled every criteria demanded of it in prophecy.

Wouldn't you say that talmudism qualifies, according to John's description?

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

 

[Brakelite]

Here we must remark that when he will have come, the name of Antichrist will be well known.

It is impossible for one individual to meet the specification/criteria that describe the Antichrist. Only an institution can accomplish that. For example, the little horn of Daniel 7 grows from the head of a political power...pagan Rome, and uproots 3 other powers/horns that grew previous to the little horn's emergence. This can only describe the rise of the Papacy in the 6th century, who under her influence and authority, the 3 kingdoms of the Heruli, the Ostrogoths, and the Vandals were destroyed. How can an individual meet that essential criteria, which took place 1600 years ago, and still be present at the second coming of Christ a described in 2 Thessalonians? Only an institution could accomplish such a feat. The Catholic church. I could offer more evidence if you want. That's just one criteria...there are at least 10 or more specific conditions that prophecy is clear on from both Daniel and Revelation. All of which completely destroy the Jesuits' efforts of obfuscation and deception when in the counter reformation they invented the idea you espouse, a future individual Jew taking over a literal rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.

 

[James Macbeth]

It is impossible for one individual to meet the specification/criteria that describe the Antichrist. Only an institution can accomplish that. For example, the little horn of Daniel 7 grows from the head of a political power...pagan Rome, and uproots 3 other powers/horns that grew previous to the little horn's emergence. This can only describe the rise of the Papacy in the 6th century, who under her influence and authority, the 3 kingdoms of the Heruli, the Ostrogoths, and the Vandals were destroyed. How can an individual meet that essential criteria, which took place 1600 years ago, and still be present at the second coming of Christ a described in 2 Thessalonians? Only an institution could accomplish such a feat. The Catholic church. I could offer more evidence if you want. That's just one criteria...there are at least 10 or more specific conditions that prophecy is clear on from both Daniel and Revelation. All of which completely destroy the Jesuits' efforts of obfuscation and deception when in the counter reformation they invented the idea you espouse, a future individual Jew taking over a literal rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.

The Pope? Which one?

 

[Brakelite]

Wouldn't you say that talmudism qualifies, according to John's description?

There are numerous individuals and institutions over the centuries that have met one or more of the 10 or so criteria that prophecy requires for a true identification. But there is only one that meets every one of those criteria. Papal Rome.

 

[Brakelite]

The Pope? Which one?

Not one Pope, no. The entire succession of Popes from the 6th century on which head the institution. It is the institution that is the Antichrist, not the Popes, not the people within that institution, but the institution itself. The Popes are but spokesmen. They are the mouthpiece of the little horn speaking great things, declaring themselves God by pretending to forgive sin, and be the sole means through which men may be saved. Oh look, another criteria, and both replace Jesus.

 

[JohnPaul]

The Nazis & Adolf Hitler are but a foreshadowing of the Antichrist & his power.

The Antichrist will be a circumcised Jewish man.

The Antichrist will rule for 3 1/2 years, or 42 months, or 1260 days.

He will declare himself as Christ.

He will use the Scriptures to argue that he the Messiah.

The Devil will dwell in him in his very conception, or at least from infancy.

He will worship the Devil secretly.

He will rebuild the 3rd Temple in Jerusalem.

Israel will become the greatest & final super power.

The Antichrist will go to war & win.

The Vatican will be demolished.

With maximum power, he will start persecuting Christians, as Hitler did the Jews.

Because Christians will not offer sacrifices to the 3rd Temple!

The majority of people will submit to the Antichrist, as subjects submit to a King.

Like when you eat at a Thai food restaurant, and they have a picture of their King hanged up, or the English with the portrait of their Queen, so shall it be with the Antichrist.

Every "good" citizen of the Antichrist will have his image hanged up in their home, and office.

But not Christians!

Christians will have holy images hanged up: the Crucifix, our Lady, the holy Family, Saints, Angels, Priests, Bishops, Martyrs, etc.

When "good" citizens of the Antichrist sit to eat, they will thank the Antichrist for their food & drink.

But not Christians!

Christians will look up and give grace to God Almighty.

Thus the persecutions will intensify, just as the Nazis did the Jews.

Eventually Christianity will be outlawed.

He will have men recite a Creed that denies Baptism, Confirmation, holy Matrimony, the Eucharist, Confessions, the Priesthood, Last rights.

He will promote polygamy, and have one wife of every race, most fair.

He will promote & practice LGBT.

And a antichristian Gestapo will be created by the Antichrist.

And as the Jews were hunted in Germany, so shall Christians be hunted.

The New Testament will be outlawed and burnt.

Churches will be demolished.

Church leaders will be executed, like the Rabbis in Germany.

Children will be separated from their parents.

Christians will be beaten and starved to death, just like the Jews were.

Many will leave the Faith and take the Mark.

The Antichrist will curse & abolish the sign of the Cross.

Christians who are caught making the sign of the Cross, will have their right hand cut off.

But like in the time of the 1st Holocaust, Christians took in Jews and hid them.

And in the Christian Holocaust, Jews will take in Christians and hide them.

These are the 144,000 Jews in Revelations.

And Enoch & Elijah will descend from Heaven during this time.

Enoch for the Gentiles, and Elijah for the Jews.

They will offer the Sacrifice of the Mass, in opposition to the Sacrifices of the 3rd Temple.

The Church will go underground, and administer the Sacraments secretly.

Enoch & Elijah will be betrayed, and killed by the Antichrist.

The Antichrist will wield great power, and fool many, pretending to perform the same miracles of our Lord Jesus.

But on his last "miracle" he will "ascend" into the sky, only to be cut down by the Archangel Saint Michael!

The earth will swallow him up, and all his ministers, and followers, etc.

The Preaching of the Antichrist​

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Or was it Stalin and the Communists?