Ferris Bueller
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Yes, they are believers in the sense that they may have once been saved. The point you're not getting is they had to go back to unbelief in order to go back to sinning willfully, habitually, as mailmandan describes 'willfully' in his post. The description of willfully sinning is, Biblically, the description of an unbeliever who is not born again, not a born again believer. That's why I say that person is an unbeliever. Whether he always was or went back to being one is a secondary issue. Believing born again people will never be subject to the wrath of God described in the passage. The 'we' in the passage have to either never been born again, or ceased to be born again by going back to unbelief. But either way, the simple fact these people will be subject to the fiery wrath of God shows us they are in unbelief, not belief. If they were in belief the blood of Christ would protect them from the wrath of God...and they would not be living in willful, habitual sin in the first place for it to even matter.No my friend. The believers are the “we” in the passage. Otherwise the writer would have clear in saying if “they” the unbelievers sin willfully…
Or, if we “stop believing and sin willfully”…
It’s not a logical proposition @Ferris Bueller
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