Types of Christians….what type are you?

[BloodBought 1953]

If someone doesn't do what God requires of them in the Law, then they are not a Christian, no matter how much they claim to be one.



What does God *REALLY* require? The Disciples asked Jesus to reveal the “Will Of The Father” .....Jesus complied.... “ The WILL Of the Father was to “ BELIEVE ON THE ONE THAT HE SENT”.....

The True Christian knows that they can not meet the requirements of the Law and that the Law was given to Convict us of our Sin and our helpless and hopeless reality and that it would “ shut us up” in regard to keeping it, and reveal our need for the Gospel.....Some people just don’t know how to Shut Up....


The Law can never make anybody the “ New Creation” That they MUST become in order to be Saved—- Trusting in the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4 * CAN* accomplish that ......

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The Bible teaches only past sins are forgiven us (not future sins).

Believers need to confess and
forsake sin to continue to obtain forgiveness (or salvation).

Here are the verses in the Bible that teach or imply that past sins only are forgiven:

2 Peter 1:9 KJB
“But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.”

2 Peter 1:9 BLB
“For in whomever these things are not present, he is blind, being short sighted, having received forgetfulness of the purification from his former sins.”

1 John 1:9 KJB
“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

Acts of the Apostles 8:22 KJB
“Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.”

Hebrews 10:26 KJB
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,”

Proverbs 28:13 KJB
“He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.”

Romans 6:22-23 KJB
22 “But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

Romans 8:13 KJB
“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 KJB
9 “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.”

John 3:20 KJB
“For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.”

1 John 3:15 KJB
“Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.”

1 John 3:8 KJB
“He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.”

Acts of the Apostles 5:1-11 KJB
1 “But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.”

Matthew 10:33 KJB
“But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.”

Matthew 6:15 KJB
“But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”

Revelation 22:12-15 KJB
12 “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie

The Following was “ borrowed” from a great Site.....” Gracethrufaith.com” ......it has a Fantastic Question and Answer section—- check it out !



In Colossians 2:13 Paul wrote, “He forgave us all our sins”. The Greek word translated “all” means each and every, any and all. That means when we are born again all our past, present, and future sins are forgiven.

In Ephesians 1:13-14 he said our salvation was guaranteed from the time we believed. How could he have said that unless our future sins had been forgiven as well as our past ones? He said essentially the same thing in 2 Cor. 1:21-22, 2 Cor. 5:5 and Ephesians 4:30.

In Hebrews 10:14 the writer said, “Because by one sacrifice He has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.” How could God see us as perfect forever unless all our sins had been forgiven?



The fact is, remaining sin free is humanly impossible by God’s standards, because to do so we would have to be perfect, as our Heavenly Father is perfect (Matt. 5:48). Since we can’t be as perfect as God is, we would all have been lost again within a short time, and the Lord’s death would have amounted to nothing.

More to Follow.......

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Had this not been the case, everyone who has been saved would have to remain absolutely sin free for the rest of his or her life. That means we would become responsible for keeping ourselves saved. This is a violation of Ephesians 2:8-9which says we’re saved by grace and not by works, lest anyone should boast. Certainly those who were able to remain sin free for the rest of their lives would have something to boast about.

The fact is, remaining sin free is humanly impossible by God’s standards, because to do so we would have to be perfect, as our Heavenly Father is perfect (Matt. 5:48). Since we can’t be as perfect as God is, we would all have been lost again within a short time, and the Lord’s death would have amounted to nothing.

To prevent this, God imputed to us a righteous equal to His own. We can’t earn this righteousness by trying to be perfect. It comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus(Romans 3:21-24). He is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he is at the right hand of God and is always interceding for us (Romans 8:33-34, Hebr. 7:25).

 

[quietthinker]

Types of Christians….what type are you?
One who tries to stay a step ahead of auto correct but still gets sucked in.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The Following was “ borrowed” from a great Site.....” Gracethrufaith.com” ......it has a Fantastic Question and Answer section—- check it out !



In Colossians 2:13 Paul wrote, “He forgave us all our sins”. The Greek word translated “all” means each and every, any and all. That means when we are born again all our past, present, and future sins are forgiven.

In Ephesians 1:13-14 he said our salvation was guaranteed from the time we believed. How could he have said that unless our future sins had been forgiven as well as our past ones? He said essentially the same thing in 2 Cor. 1:21-22, 2 Cor. 5:5 and Ephesians 4:30.

In Hebrews 10:14 the writer said, “Because by one sacrifice He has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.” How could God see us as perfect forever unless all our sins had been forgiven?



The fact is, remaining sin free is humanly impossible by God’s standards, because to do so we would have to be perfect, as our Heavenly Father is perfect (Matt. 5:48). Since we can’t be as perfect as God is, we would all have been lost again within a short time, and the Lord’s death would have amounted to nothing.

More to Follow.......

First, you are not dealing with the verses I presented that talk about how only past sin is forgiven you.

Second, Colossians 2:13 does not say future sin but it simply says, “having forgiven you all trespasses” which can easily be in reference to past sins. In fact, past sin has to be the interpretative viewpoint because Paul lists various sins in Colossians 3:5, and says that the wrath of God comes upon the children of disobedience (Colossians 3:6). To clarify, Paul lists various sins in Galatians 5:19-21 and says that they which do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. So living holy is a part of the faith that accesses the grace of God. Proof? Just read 1 John 1:7. Walking in the light = Loving your brother and 1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the light, the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin. So if you want to be cleansed of all sin (even if you take that to be future sin), you have to meet the condition of loving the brethren in the present tense. So it’s not a walk in the park. You have to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

Three, as for Ephesians 1:13-14: Again, the wording does not mention anything about future sins being forgiven you. It merely talks about the down payment (the Holy Spirit of promise) of our purchased possession. It’s like a down payment somebody gives you as a gift on a house you purchase. But you still have to pay off the mortgage just as we have to continue to endure to the end (in our faith) to be saved. For the Spirit can be grieved. Believers can die spiritually by sin (although they can come back - See Luke 15:11-32, and James 5:19-20).

Four, as for Hebrews 10:14: God is saying that God has perfected forever those who are BEING MADE holy. The King James says sanctified. Meaning it is talking hindsight of those believers who have lived out their sanctification successfully. Seeing you don’t know the future, you have to continue to live holy by your own free will choice and not justify sin in this life in order for Hebrews 10:14 to apply for you. Narrow is the way that leads unto life and FEW be there that find it (Matthew 7:14). Do you honestly think that the narrow way is just a belief alone in Jesus while sin is treated like a fluffy kitten? I say this because if you believe future sin is forgiven you, that means it gives you a safety net to sin on some level and you have to go about ignoring the many Scripture verses that talk about how sin can destroy our soul in the afterlife.

Five, as for Matthew 5:48: Well, you fail to understand the context is being perfect in a certain area of your life and it is not talking about being perfect in every aspect or every possible area of your life spiritually. It’s talking about loving your enemies, and doing good towards them, etcetera. So this is not a case for… “Hey, we all cannot be perfect and so we all must justify sin.” That’s not the point Jesus was making.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Types of Christians….what type are you?

The Born Again of the Holy Spirit "type".

There is no other "type".

There are many denominations, but that's not "Christianity", and not the "Church" - it's just "organization". The CHURCH is just PEOPLE who are Born Again of the Holy SPirit and indwelled by HIM.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Had this not been the case, everyone who has been saved would have to remain absolutely sin free for the rest of his or her life. That means we would become responsible for keeping ourselves saved. This is a violation of Ephesians 2:8-9which says we’re saved by grace and not by works, lest anyone should boast. Certainly those who were able to remain sin free for the rest of their lives would have something to boast about.

Read the context of Ephesians 2:8-9. You will discover that the context says, “you hath he quickened,” (Ephesians 2:1). To be quickened means to be made alive (to be resurrected). When did this happen? When we first came to the Lord Jesus Christ in our Initial Salvation. I know. I received a love, joy, and peace that I had never known before when I accepted Jesus Christ. It was like a light that went on inside of me. I was quickened which happened in my acceptance of Christ in my Initial Salvation. Ephesians 2:8 says that by grace are ye saved,… it is the gift of God. How many times do you receive a gift? Generally people receive a gift one time and they don’t keep receiving the same gift over, and over again. So this is talking about our Initial Salvation. Paul is not referring to the secondary aspect of salvation which follows after being saved by God’s grace in Ephesians 2:8-9. Paul refers to the secondary aspect of salvation in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 (Which is a call of the gospel). This call is that God has chosen you to salvation through Sanctification of the Spirit and a belief of the truth. But most Christians ignore this passage or they seek to twist it to fit their church beliefs.

To prevent this, God imputed to us a righteous equal to His own. We can’t earn this righteousness by trying to be perfect.

Please show me in the Bible where you have to be Sinless Perfect in every area of your life spiritually in order to be saved and therefore because of this… belief alone in Jesus as the Savior (despite how we live) is the alternative.

As hard as you might try to find something so ridiculous in the Bible, you will simply not find such a teaching in the Scriptures. Teachers have fed you this garbage and you have bought into it. Anyways this is simply an excuse or an assumption not found in the Bible.

Not all sin leads to death (1 John 5:16). There are sins that lead to punishment in earthly courts, and a sin that can lead to hellfire (See Matthew 5:22 in the AMP Translation).

It comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.

Faith starts off as a belief alone in Jesus, but faith does not remain that way.
Faith is everything written in your Bible for you to believe. If you don’t obey God’s instructions, then you don’t truly trust Him or have faith in Him.
For it would be like God telling you to sit in a chair that looks like it could break but God is telling you to trust Him that it will not break. You can believe that it will hold you up until the cows come home, but unless you sit in the chair, you don’t truly trust or believe God. Faith is followed by the test of our faith in obeying what God says for us to do. If not, then our belief is like (similar of) that of demons.

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus(Romans 3:21-24).

When you apply verses like Romans 3:10, and Romans 3:23 to present day walk of even the Christian, you also have to apply Romans 3:11 that says that they do not seek after God and they have no understanding, too. Are you saying that you and other Christians do not seek after God and you do not have any understanding? This has to be the interpretation you take if you believe you and every other Christian out there has fallen short of the glory of God in your present day walk. So Romans 3 must be referring to our past life before we came to God. If not, then you must believe you have no understanding and you do not seek after God (According to Romans 3:11 - which is the context).

He is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he is at the right hand of God and is always interceding for us (Romans 8:33-34,

When you read Romans 8:33-34, you also have to read verses in context like Romans 8:13 that says if you walk after the flesh (sin), you will die, but if you put to death the misdeeds of the body (sin) by the Spirit, you will live (live eternally).

Hebr. 7:25).

And this has to be read with Hebrews 10:26 that says if we willfully sin after we receive the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sin. Meaning, we have to confess and forsake sin in order to have mercy (See: Proverbs 28:13, 1 John 1:9, 1 John 1:7).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

@BloodBought 1953

I challenge you to check out all the verses in this video.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

@BloodBought 1953

I challenge you to check out all the verses in this video.

Thanks , but no thanks.....I’ve been around a long time....I’ve heard every type of Biblical Error and Confusion That is out there....and your post # 127 has so much Baloney In It , I don't even know where to start.......I might get ambitious later and throw in some valuable verses so that the Newbies That have not been ruined yet by Legalism might get some ammunition when they encounter “ Leaven” out there in the Real World.....

 

[Alfredthefifth]

The Born Again of the Holy Spirit "type".

There is no other "type".

There are many denominations, but that's not "Christianity", and not the "Church" - it's just "organization". The CHURCH is just PEOPLE who are Born Again of the Holy SPirit and indwelled by HIM.

I have a problem with this, born again type.
People that I have known from young ages that,
QOUTE, "WERE BORN AGAIN BY THE HOLY SPIRIT!" QUOTE.
Didn’t change from their path to destruction. They were holy than thou because of being reborn but they didn't change one bit or one thing that if changed would have prevented their early death from addiction.

The Holy Spirit has been an active participant in my life for as long as I can recall. But I had not known anything that is described for a born again moment. I can point to moments in my life where there is no way to doubt that I was touched by an angel. One left bruises when no one was there.

Yes I have had a vision, awesome and glorious but I am the same struggling Christian I was before. More in tune with the Holy Spirit but the same struggling Christian.

My attitude that the born again Christian movement is all smoke and mirrors with little substance is stronger from having had a vision than it was when I wondered if I was ever going to have a vision.

I will go farther.
The doctrine of back sliding is the most unchristian teaching that has ever been taught.

Sin entered the world through Adam's fall and while Jesus payed for all the sins of all mankind. He didn't remove sin from mankind!

There are more bible verses saying we are still the sinners no matter what our relationship with Jesus than those that vaguely refer to being better in Jesus. My born again acquaintances prove this with every breath they take. If anything by denial of sin there actions are bigger sins yet!

Ones relationship with Jesus, with faith and with salvation are so deeply personal that only a little bit of the light of Jesus's love for us, is all that avery strong Christian can shine out while striving to live the best Christian life they can.

I will go into scripture but Paul writes about this little light frequently.

Advertising BORN Again! My experience is run away! Run fast and run far but run!

Al

 

[Enoch111]

My attitude that the born again Christian movement is all smoke and mirrors with little substance is stronger from having had a vision than it was when I wondered if I was ever going to have a vision.

Whatever vision you might have had, the fact remains that the New Birth is clearly taught in the Bible. But you are trying to apply a broad brush based upon your limited personal experiences, which is foolishness.

1. Did Jesus say that it is absolutely imperative to be born again in order to enter and to see the Kingdom of God? Absolutely.
2. Are people born again every day by the power of the Holy Spirit? Absolutely
3. Should their lives be totally changed after they are regenerated? Absolutely

So if someone claims to be born again but his or her behavior and life has not changed at all, then it means that that person was not really born again. Also, sanctification does not take place overnight for many. And lastly you are not the one to decide who is and who is not born again. That is totally God's business. Your business is to focus on your own witness, growth, and sanctification.

Also, there are all kinds of claims today about dreams and visions. Then we have the apparitions of Mary. But it is only the written Word of God that is given for the "perfection" of the saints.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Please show me in the Bible where you have to be Sinless Perfect in every area of your life spiritually in order to be saved



Remember the Sermon on the Mount? Jesus made it very clear that if you merely harbor a hateful or
Lustful thought , you are in the Eyes of God no better than an Adulterer or Murderer ? How ya doin’ on just “ those” two warnings about Sin......Cutting to the Case, Jesus just that if you are going to choose the “Performance” Route to be Justified , That “ Performance” must be Perfect 24/7 — “ You are to be * PERFECT*, even as your Father in Heaven is Perfect! .....once again, I will ask—- How’s “ that” workin’ for you ?

For those out there with the Wisdom and the Humility, and for those out there who possess a Contrite Heart that knows that they are Lost and Hopeless Sinners and get the Message that Jesus was attempting to convey with His Sermon, there is hope for you!

Here is the reaction that Jesus wants you to have—- don’t be like the proud, Stiff- Necked , Religious Pharisees Of His Day ( you see the modern versions of these fools in these Forums every day , Right Highlighter ? ) .....Jesus will only Save you if you have the same reaction to His Sermon in the Mount as the Wicked Tax- Collector did...Remember Him? His reaction was to simply and sincerely cry out to God After Jesus proved That He could not reach God’s Standard Of Righteousness to “merit” Salvation....All he could do was cry out , ”Lord ,have Mercy on me, a Sinner!” .....Jesus said that that man went home a Saved Man ( Justified) ....

Don't pretend that you don’t have a Sin Nature and Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you can overcome that Old Adamic Nature while you exist in a Body Of Flesh and somehow think stupidly that you can “ overcome” it and “ make yourself Worthy” Of Heaven ....Realize That you are a Sinner ( the purpose of the Law).....ADMIT that you are a Sinner....... and REPENT ( that is, * TURN TO GOD* , as the Tax Collector did) .....Throw yourself upon the Mercy of our God — a God That is “ RICH IN MERCY” , and will bestow it on “Anybody that Asks for it!” “ Anybody that Asks to be Saved will be Saved”......

“Turn to God , with Faith in Jesus Christ”.....Acts20:21..... ( a Repentance That will Save) and God will put His Holy Spirit in you and you will “ Find Yourself ” Doing a better job Of pleasing God with an Obedience that flows from Love and Gratitude instead of Fear and Obligation as the Self- Righteous Legalists do....It takes TRUST.....not Work...God will not save those Trying to be Saved—-He will Save ALL that are TRUSTING to be Saved.....Trust In the Shed Blood and the Finished Work Of The Cross ...Trust in the * GRACE* That the ignorant and confused reject.....

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Thanks , but no thanks.....I’ve been around a long time....I’ve heard every type of Biblical Error and Confusion That is out there....and your post # 127 has so much Baloney In It , I don't even know where to start.......I might get ambitious later and throw in some valuable verses so that the Newbies That have not been ruined yet by Legalism might get some ammunition when they encounter “ Leaven” out there in the Real World.....

First, Proverbs 18:13 says,
“He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.”

Second, are you simply refusing to see Scripture verses in order to not deal with them? That's what the Pastor in the video presents. Lots of Scripture. Of course, you have not dealt with even my own verses I put forth to you. So yeah. I am not buying your, “I've been around a long time” excuse. It simply looks like you have chosen to side with error for a long time and it has set in so deep that you don't want to see what the Bible actually says vs. the popular sin and still be saved view in the churches today. For the moment you say future sin is forgiven to a person, is the moment you are giving them a license to sin (Whether you want them to sin or not).

 

[Alfredthefifth]

Whatever vision you might have had, the fact remains that the New Birth is clearly taught in the Bible. But you are trying to apply a broad brush based upon your limited personal experiences, which is foolishness.

1. Did Jesus say that it is absolutely imperative to be born again in order to enter and to see the Kingdom of God? Absolutely.
2. Are people born again every day by the power of the Holy Spirit? Absolutely
3. Should their lives be totally changed after they are regenerated? Absolutely

So if someone claims to be born again but his or her behavior and life has not changed at all, then it means that that person was not really born again. Also, sanctification does not take place overnight for many. And lastly you are not the one to decide who is and who is not born again. That is totally God's business. Your business is to focus on your own witness, growth, and sanctification.

Also, there are all kinds of claims today about dreams and visions. Then we have the apparitions of Mary. But it is only the written Word of God that is given for the "perfection" of the saints.

Do I paint with a broad brush?

Jesus in simple ways warns against being boastful or being a braggert.
I have never met a BORN AGAIN that doesn't wear it like a badge! And have a boastful attitude to go with that badge!

I have been born again yet I am still the same struggling Christian as before. Any gift of being born again is so personally mine that if I tried to explain it, the BORN AGAINS have and will slam the door in my face.

Which leaves saying the Born Again movement is false and the bragging is proof enough.

Martin Luther was born again in two verses of scripture, yet he put JESUS first. "I am a worm filled bag of bones that was picked to teach Jesus's salvation of the world!"

Martin why where you successful where so many failed? Because my life was for Jesus never about me! My teaching was here are scriptures prove me wrong! Maybe paraphrased but still gis answer. Yes he became a famous historical figure. If he had ever bragged about himself he would have failed.

The apostle Paul says in all his writings, "No man will come to the father through me, it is learning about God's love in sending Jesus to make amazing gifts we do not deserve free to us. I am a simple messenger, do not follow Paul follow God!"
His miraculous conversion is recorded but ask yourself, DOES HE EVER BRAG ABOUT IT? OR DOES HE TRY TO HIDE FROM IT?
As a braggert he would have no credibility! And that shows in his writing.
Especially in his verses that are FAITH Statements!

Ephesians 2 8&9

For it is by Grace you are saved through faith lest any man should boast.

When I meet a born again that isn't boastful I will find a narrower brush.

Al

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Please show me in the Bible where you have to be Sinless Perfect in every area of your life spiritually in order to be saved
Remember the Sermon on the Mount? Jesus made it very clear that if you merely harbor a hateful or
Lustful thought , you are in the Eyes of God no better than an Adulterer or Murderer ? two warnings about Sin......

Again, you are ignoring the immediate context of Matthew 5:48. Read from verse 38 (Matthew 5:38) on down to Matthew 5:48. Being perfect as the Heavenly Father is perfect is in context to loving your enemies and doing good towards them.

Here are the things we as believers are to do so as to be perfect as the Heavenly Father is perfect:

#1. Whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also (Matthew 5:39).
#2. If someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well; (Matthew 5:40).
#3. Whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain (Matthew 5:41).
#4. Give to him that asketh thee, (Matthew 5:42).
#5. Do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you (Matthew 5:42).
#6. Love your enemies, (Matthew 5:44).
#7. Bless them that curse you, (Matthew 5:44).
#8. Do good to them that hate you, (Matthew 5:44).
#9. Pray for them which despitefully use you, (Matthew 5:44).
#10. Pray for them which... persecute you; (Matthew 5:44).

How ya doin’ on just “ those” How’s “ that” workin’ for you ?

We walk by faith and not by sight.
Also, I believe Sanctification can be a process for many believers in this life.
I believe it takes time for God's people to learn His commands and instructions so as to obey Him.
It's not a zero to hero overnight thing always.
But ignorance, or following the crowd or going off your own ability or experience is not an excuse to sin.
God's Word is still true. But you prefer the wide gate path that justifies sin like most of Christianity.

Cutting to the Case, Jesus just that if you are going to choose the “Performance” Route to be Justified , That “ Performance” must be Perfect 24/7 — “ You are to be * PERFECT*, even as your Father in Heaven is Perfect! .....once again, I will ask—-

No. That's not the point Jesus was making. Jesus was not making a point on disobedience to God so why even try. Nowhere does Jesus even say anything like that as His follow up point. That is something YOU and every other Christian today out there is falsely teaching that is not found in the words of Jesus.

You should be ashamed of yourself by adding to Scripture or to the words of our Lord.
Then again, you don't have to explain yourself to me. You will have to explain to Jesus at the Judgment why you added your own words to His words.

For those out there with the Wisdom and the Humility, and for those out there who possess a Contrite Heart that knows that they are Lost and Hopeless Sinners and get the Message that Jesus was attempting to convey with His Sermon, there is hope for you!

No. That's adding to Scripture! Jesus did not say towards the end that all His warnings against how sin can destroy your soul in hellfire was the Law abiding way vs. just believing in the finished work of the cross method. Jesus did not teach such garbage. That is your addition to His holy words.

Here is the reaction that Jesus wants you to have—- don’t be like the proud, Stiff- Necked , Religious Pharisees Of His Day ( you see the modern versions of these fools in these Forums every day , Right Highlighter ? ) .....Jesus will only Save you if you have the same reaction to His Sermon in the Mount as the Wicked Tax- Collector did...Remember Him? His reaction was to simply and sincerely cry out to God After Jesus proved That He could not reach God’s Standard Of Righteousness to “merit” Salvation....All he could do was cry out , ”Lord ,have Mercy on me, a Sinner!” .....Jesus said that that man went home a Saved Man ( Justified) ....

First, I believe there is grace and forgiveness with God in our Initial Salvation, and if we stumble on rare occasion, but this is in view that we will not seek to sin again at some future point in time or we must sin this side of Heaven. God never advocates us in sinning (Which is what your doctrine teaches).

Second, in Luke 18:9-14, nowhere does Jesus say that the Tax Collector was admitting he was a sinner every day of his life until he died. How do we know for sure? Well, Jesus also told two people to “sin no more” (See: John 5:14, John 8:11). Lessons from the Parable of the Tax Collector and the Pharisee is that the Pharisee did not seek forgiveness over his sins like the Tax Collector did and he did not try to help or pray for the Tax Collector to overcome their sin and find strength in God's grace. For you fail to understand that God’s grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12). You fail to understand that it was grace that helped the apostle labor more than the brethren (1 Corinthians 15:10).

Don't pretend that you don’t have a Sin Nature and Don’t fool yourself into thinking that you can overcome that Old Adamic Nature while you exist in a Body Of Flesh and somehow think stupidly that you can “ overcome” it and “ make yourself Worthy” Of Heaven ....Realize That you are a Sinner ( the purpose of the Law).....ADMIT that you are a Sinner....... and REPENT ( that is, * TURN TO GOD* , as the Tax Collector did) .....Throw yourself upon the Mercy of our God — a God That is “ RICH IN MERCY” , and will bestow it on “Anybody that Asks for it!” “ Anybody that Asks to be Saved will be Saved”......

This is just stupid. God is not advocating you to sin or to be a sinner your whole life. If that was the case, then God would not be holy. God wants us to obey Him and not to disobey Him. We only admit when we are a sinner when we first come to him to be saved (in our Initial Salvation), or if we went prodigal and we need to be regain spiritual life again (See: Luke 15:11 to Luke 15:32, and James 5:19-20).

Repentance = Seeking forgiveness of one’s past life of sin with the Lord Jesus or in seeking forgiveness over a sin we may have committed on rare occasion. Repentance (Seeking forgiveness with Jesus) only works if you intend to not sin again. If you believe you will sin again this side of Heaven, then you really are not sorry over your sin but you are just paying lip service to God. That would be like a husband who cheats on his wife and he tells her that he is sorry but he has no intention of ever stopping because he believes he cannot help himself. Is he really sorry? No. He simply loves the pleasure of sex from another woman more than his wife. He is not sorry. Sin is the real master or god of your life if you don’t bring forth fruits worthy of repentance. For the axe is laid to the root of the tree.

“Turn to God , with Faith in Jesus Christ”.....Acts20:21..... ( a Repentance That will Save) and God will put His Holy Spirit in you and you will “ Find Yourself ” Doing a better job Of pleasing God with an Obedience that flows from Love and Gratitude instead of Fear and Obligation as the Self- Righteous Legalists do....It takes TRUST.....not Work...God will not save those Trying to be Saved—-He will Save ALL that are TRUSTING to be Saved.....Trust In the Shed Blood and the Finished Work Of The Cross ...Trust in the * GRACE* That the ignorant and confused reject.....

First, faith is believing EVERYTHING in your Bible and not just a belief alone in Jesus. God gave us instructions on holy living in the New Testament and we have to obey them as a part of the faith. If not, then we are in unbelief.

Second, Legalists do not focus or emphasize the grace of God from our Initial Salvation as a means to obey God. They make it all about obedience and no grace whatsoever. They make it sound like that if you mess up once, and you are out of God’s kingdom for good. Believers can confess of their sins to Jesus in order to be forgiven of their sin (1 John 1:9) (1 John 2:1), but this in view of forsaking sin for good (1 John 1:7) (Proverbs 28:13). It’s in view of doing righteousness at all times and not just sometimes.

Psalms 106:3 says:
“Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.”

As for the blood of Christ:
While we have to believe in the blood as a part of salvation (Romans 3:25), you also have to walk in the light (love your brother - 1 John 2:9-11) in order for the blood of Jesus to cleanse you from all sin (See: 1 John 1:7). This walking in the light to have the blood of Jesus cleanse you of all sin is conditional because it has the “If” word in the beginning of the verse. 1 John 1:7 says, “If we walk in the light”… and 1 John 1:7 does not say, “we will walk in the light if we have been born again.” John includes himself with the word “we” in 1 John 1:7. So John includes himself in this conditional promise. But of course you twist 1 John 1:7 and other verses to your own destruction. So I can only imagine the horror you will be faced with when you stand before the Lord Jesus at Judgment Day (if you don’t reject popular candy coated Christianity that justifies sin). You will wish you heeded my warning to you on what God’s Word really said (over what you wish to be true).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I have a problem with this, born again type.
People that I have known from young ages that,
QOUTE, "WERE BORN AGAIN BY THE HOLY SPIRIT!" QUOTE.
Didn’t change from their path to destruction. They were holy than thou because of being reborn but they didn't change one bit or one thing that if changed would have prevented their early death from addiction.

The Holy Spirit has been an active participant in my life for as long as I can recall. But I had not known anything that is described for a born again moment. I can point to moments in my life where there is no way to doubt that I was touched by an angel. One left bruises when no one was there.

Yes I have had a vision, awesome and glorious but I am the same struggling Christian I was before. More in tune with the Holy Spirit but the same struggling Christian.

My attitude that the born again Christian movement is all smoke and mirrors with little substance is stronger from having had a vision than it was when I wondered if I was ever going to have a vision.

I will go farther.
The doctrine of back sliding is the most unchristian teaching that has ever been taught.

Sin entered the world through Adam's fall and while Jesus payed for all the sins of all mankind. He didn't remove sin from mankind!

There are more bible verses saying we are still the sinners no matter what our relationship with Jesus than those that vaguely refer to being better in Jesus. My born again acquaintances prove this with every breath they take. If anything by denial of sin there actions are bigger sins yet!

Ones relationship with Jesus, with faith and with salvation are so deeply personal that only a little bit of the light of Jesus's love for us, is all that avery strong Christian can shine out while striving to live the best Christian life they can.

I will go into scripture but Paul writes about this little light frequently.

Advertising BORN Again! My experience is run away! Run fast and run far but run!

Al

So what do you make of Jesus saying to Nicodemus that we must be born again to enter the Kingdom of God?
Read John chapter 3.

 

[Dropship]

Jesus in simple ways warns against being boastful or being a braggert.
I have never met a BORN AGAIN that doesn't wear it like a badge! And have a boastful attitude to go with that badge!..

Christians are the children of God himself..
"..says the Lord, I will be a Father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters" (2 Corinthians 6:14-18)





and are his Elect-
"For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect" (Matthew 24:24)

so it's understandable if Christians can't help sometimes doing a little bragging..
Paul said-"As surely as the truth of Christ is in me, nobody in the regions of Achaia will stop this boasting of mine" (2 Corinthians 11:10 NIV)

 

[Alfredthefifth]

Thrown out boldly

1 John 1 starting with verse 8

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar and his word is not in us.

Psalm 51:5
Behold I was born in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me.

While living a life of love, living and refecting God's love for us. To say we can be sinless at all is false. We are sinful because Adam fill from grace in sin, our very nature is that sinful man.

The MAN that says "I am a Christian and cannot sin any more!" is so false it is almost funny.

I will try hard in love for Jesus not to sin but the human condition is sin. To deny that sin is your natural condition is deny NOT only God but the grace and salvation worked for us by Jesus dieing for our sins and rising again.
If you can be without sin at time from birth to death YOU DIDN'T NEED JESUS! You didn’t need Jesus to live die and rise again.

Jesus did work a victory over sin not to make us sinless but to give us salvation. If Jesus had removed sin from the world there would be no sin left.

Personally I have not met the person that is sinless. The more one claims they are perfect and sinless the more that is learned of their secrets the more viel and sinful they truly are, just hidden away so no one sees it!

Holier-than-thou is Appearance only! A coat that a sinner wears to hide sin!

I am glad I will know most if not all here from this place alone. Because here their face of righteousness will never be turned to show their sinful self. I will never have to see the sin they try to hide from the world.

My struggles with being a Christian are in seeing and living in the pain caused by these sinless Holier-than-thou Christians whose sins cause more harm because they sin with a smile on their face while saying, "I DON'T SIN!"

AL

 

[Alfredthefifth]

Whom here has seen a Christian fall away saying, " if that is what it is to be a Christian I am out!"

When I see this happen it is direct result of the actions of A SINLESS CHRISTIAN, that is the biggest sinner in church! That isn't a judgment call it is trying to eat the fruit of the sinnless Christian!

Al

 

[ChristisGod]

Thrown out boldly

1 John 1 starting with verse 8

If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar and his word is not in us.

Psalm 51:5
Behold I was born in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me.

While living a life of love, living and refecting God's love for us. To say we can be sinless at all is false. We are sinful because Adam fill from grace in sin, our very nature is that sinful man.

The MAN that says "I am a Christian and cannot sin any more!" is so false it is almost funny.

I will try hard in love for Jesus not to sin but the human condition is sin. To deny that sin is your natural condition is deny NOT only God but the grace and salvation worked for us by Jesus dieing for our sins and rising again.
If you can be without sin at time from birth to death YOU DIDN'T NEED JESUS! You didn’t need Jesus to live die and rise again.

Jesus did work a victory over sin not to make us sinless but to give us salvation. If Jesus had removed sin from the world there would be no sin left.

Personally I have not met the person that is sinless. The more one claims they are perfect and sinless the more that is learned of their secrets the more viel and sinful they truly are, just hidden away so no one sees it!

Holier-than-thou is Appearance only! A coat that a sinner wears to hide sin!

I am glad I will know most if not all here from this place alone. Because here their face of righteousness will never be turned to show their sinful self. I will never have to see the sin they try to hide from the world.

My struggles with being a Christian are in seeing and living in the pain caused by these sinless Holier-than-thou Christians whose sins cause more harm because they sin with a smile on their face while saying, "I DON'T SIN!"

AL

a believer is not sinless but they sin-less. our life should be one marked by righteousness/holiness not sinfulness, habitual sin which scripture condemns in many places saying those who practice such things shall not enter the kingdom of God. And we will not become perfect/sinless until the Resurrection of the saints when we will put on incorruptibility, immortality as per 1 Corinthians 15.