Adam was the first man made by Christ with natural flesh. Big deal. He didn't have anything to say about that, and neither do we. As the saying goes, "I don't know him from Adam."
God doesn't choose parents for children, but children for parents.
Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
This also shows children of the womb are not born in sin of the devil: all babes are still God's reward.
People who preach babes being made and born full of sin in their flesh, and of the devil, full well reject simple Scripture saying otherwise, that all babes are created by Christ good in mortal flesh and pure in spirit.
The devil is not a creator, maker, nor father to any babe of any living creature on earth.
If we do likewise. I don't follow any example I don't want to, other than that of Jesus, whether parent, neighbor, minister, or voted representative, especially if I didn't vote for them.
To a great degree youths are in bondage to the examples of their parents, until they learn to do otherwise: but no babe is born already guilty of deeds of others in the past.
No man is judged by God for the sinning of others, except they do likewise:
The soul that sinneth, IT only shall die.
Because we read about them in Scripture, and with the first Adam, God tells us he is not to be our example nor federal representative to follow, but only Jesus.
Federal representation pertaining to birth only applies to the natural shape of the living creature in mortal flesh: not the spirit nor deeds.
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Christ is still the Creator of every spirit of angels and men, one at a time, equally.
This is pseudo-Scriptural hogwash of OSAS.
Jesus only paid the price for forgiveness of sins, and until a man confesses with godly sorrow to Jesus, no man is forgiven by God. The price of forgiveness by God is paid for by Jesus alone, but is not recieved by any soul, until we pay our price of repentance on our own cross for His sake.
No man is righteous nor forgiven, that is doing unrighteousness with the devil: no child of the devil is also a born son of God at the same time.
Christ's obedience to the Father is our obedience, when we obey Him. Duh.
All this "His righteousness is our righteousness, His obedience is our obedience, His life is our life" by imagined faith alone is ideological christian pap.
What we have, is what we do, whether having the devil while sinning against Christ, or having Jesus while doing righteousness of God.
For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
Finally, someone addressing the point of the thread. Thanks much, and good job for proving the point:
All flesh and natural things of earth are still created by Christ today, the same as He did yesterday, both mortal and good.
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Christ makes no natural thing in itself unclean and full of sin, whether flesh of man or grass of earth, which certainly would not be for His pleasure.
Nice try. You are getting better at this, which makes my time with you much more profitable.
All souls lose the spiritual life of Christ they are created with, when they receive the devil's lust into their hearts to sin against God.
As you say, we are without life of Christ, and are dead in our sins and trespasses, when we sin and trespass against Jesus. Our flesh remains the same: mortal as created.
This is the false part, when applied to the flesh.
Children are living reward and heritage of the Lord, not dead devils born from the womb.
Satan is not the creator nor father of any living creature born into the world. Nor does he lighten them with darkness.
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
What died in Adam, as with every soul that sins, is the soul. Flesh only dies because Christ makes all flesh that way, which is good according to His will, not evil.
You reject having to name who creates a new sin seed in Adam, that is not there by Christ, then you do well, because there is no other creator of anything in heaven nor on earth, whether in flesh or spirit, than Christ.
And what is not created by Christ, does not exist, whether in stars or in flesh.
No seriously. I ceased to expect what most people on this sight do not give, and so I no longer care about it.
But you are getting much better at it: you actually address a point I make and try to refute it. That is rare. Most people just talk over and around each other, while repeating their own mantras.
I no longer bother with them, and so I am much happier.
And since the subject of this thread is mute with you, then if you would like to continue a point by point argument on being born by Satan with sin-filled flesh, we can do so in private, if you like.
