What OSAS Rejects

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Romans 4 is dealing with our Initial Salvation of being saved by God’s grace.

Some heretic has told you, taught you, that there is "initial salvation".
And that heresy, is not found in Mainline Protestant Theology.
So, you are of THAT, and i have no idea of this denomination, but, i assure you that BORN AGAIN, is the ETERNAL result, not the "initial", result of "faith is counted as Righteousness"....

 

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So that means you believe you can sin and still be saved then.

Paul teaches that "God made Christ to be sin" for the sin of the World.

Paul this teaches this..... 1 Corinthians 5:19 that clearly says that God was in Christ not counting man's sins against them.

Paul then teaches in Romans 4:8, that God does not charge sin to the Born again.

So, its not "do you sin" or not, its..... those 2 verses and what they TEACH.
Read them carefully, as its really obvious that you have not read them since '1993, and if you have, you have not understood them, or believed them.

 

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"Jesus" is in spiritual Union with the Born again Spirit, in ever Believer.

There is no 'losing that".

Listen carefully.
God, CHRIST, and the HOLY SPIRIT, are in Spiritual UNION< with a born again believer's SPIRIT.

God is A Spirit, and the born again are "ONE WITH GOD" = Spiritual UNION.

So, if a born again person went to hell, then God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit, will go to Hell with them.
You think that will or can happen, BibleHighlighter?
Guess AGAIN.
Keep Guessing, as its your theology, according to your posts.

So this means a believer can lie and not lose their salvation if they believe in Jesus for salvation.
So this means a believer can look upon a woman in lust and not lose their salvation if they believe in Jesus for salvation.
So this means a believer can hate their brother an not lose their salvation if they believe in Jesus for salvation.

Is that right?

 

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Paul teaches that "God made Christ to be sin" for the sin of the World.

Paul this teaches this..... 1 Corinthians 5:19 that clearly says that God was in Christ not counting man's sins against them.

Paul then teaches in Romans 4:8, that God does not charge sin to the Born again.

So, its not "do you sin" or not, its..... those 2 verses and what they TEACH.
Read them carefully, as its really obvious that you have not read them since '1993, and if you have, you have not understood them, or believed them.

Ah, so you are teaching a license to sin (Which you appeared to condemn involving OSAS) which is hypocritical.

This junk you propose sounds like the false Dual Nature Theology.

Dual Nature Theology Exposed

 

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So this means a believer can lie and not lose their salvation if they believe in Jesus for salvation.
So this means a believer can look upon a woman in lust and not lose their salvation if they believe in Jesus for salvation.
So this means a believer can hate their brother an not lose their salvation if they believe in Jesus for salvation.

If you are born again, then that is the final answer, as you can't stop being born again.

What you do, in your mind, or with your body, is separate from the Born again Spirit that exists IN CHRIST as "ONE WITH GOD".

Colossians 2:11 teaches that the Spirit, born again, is the eternal life, having been "circumcised" "without hands".
This is God's SPIRIT, creating the NEW CREATION IN CHRIST that is the Son/Daughter of God.

You keep talking about the Body, and the "body is dead because of sin".
The BODY is not the Born Again Spirit.
The old man of flesh has been CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST.

You keep talking about THOSE, because you have no knowledge of the "new creation" that is "in Christ".

 

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Some heretic has told you, taught you, that there is "initial salvation".

No, it’s called reading the Bible. You should try it.
Ephesians 2:1 is speaking of our Initial Salvation. Why? Because how many times have you been quickened?

And that heresy, is not found in Mainline Protestant Theology.
So, you are of THAT, and i have no idea of this denomination, but, i assure you that BORN AGAIN, is the ETERNAL result, not the "initial", result of "faith is counted as Righteousness"....

Mainline Protestant Belief Alone Churches are the second largest branch of Christianity.
They number close to 1 billion.
Jesus said narrow is the way and few be there that find it.

 

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Ah, so you are teaching a license to sin

Ive said nothing about license to sin.

I only explained that the New Creation, is not the body.
The new creation is not the "Old man of sin".

So, you are obsessed with your gospel of works....so, in your mind, the only way to heaven is to work to get there.
That's Cross denying, and every OSAS cult member like you, obsesses on WORKS.
That is why all your scriptures that you use, when you talk about Salvation, have no JESUS In them, and no Cross of Christ.
Your "salvation theology" is this.. Galatians 1:8

 

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If you are born again, then that is the final answer, as you can't stop being born again.

What you do, in your mind, or with your body, is separate from the Born again Spirit that exists IN CHRIST as "ONE WITH GOD".

Colossians 2:11 teaches that the Spirit, born again, is the eternal life, having been "circumcised" "without hands".
This is God's SPIRIT, creating the NEW CREATION IN CHRIST that is the Son/Daughter of God.

You keep talking about the Body, and the "body is dead because of sin".
The BODY is not the Born Again Spirit.
The old man of flesh has been CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST.

You keep talking about THOSE, because you have no knowledge of the "new creation" that is "in Christ".

See, you are not answering because you are afraid to be exposed that you are teaching that God’s grace is a license to sin and or that believers can sin and still be saved. So what of your statements before about OSAS being a license to sin? Why were your feathers all in a bunch before about saying that? It does not sound like your previous words are being consistent with your license to sin you are promoting now.

 

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Because how many times have you been quickened?
Jesus said narrow is the way and few be there that find it.

The reason you can't talk about the Cross, The Grace of God, or "born again" is because you dont know anything about it.
And when you meet someone who does, you then want to talk only about works.

You are now talking about "quickened" because you can't talk about "Born again".

Listen... Jesus never told you to be "quickened"... Jesus said to you....>"you must be BORN AGAIN".
THis is why i talk about this endlessly, and you talk about your savior....."works".
And you'll do it again.

 

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Ive said nothing about license to sin.

I only explained that the New Creation, is not the body.
The new creation is not the "Old man of sin".

So, you are obsessed with your gospel of works....so, in your mind, the only way to heaven is to work to get there.
That's Cross denying, and every OSAS cult member like you, obsesses on WORKS.
That is why all your scriptures that you use, when you talk about Salvation, have no JESUS In them, and no Cross of Christ.
Your "salvation theology" is this.. Galatians 1:8

You fail to understand that Paul was fighting against a heresy of which I call, “Circumcision Salvationism.” This is the false belief that you had to first be circumcised to be saved to begin with. This is what Paul was fighting against. See Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Galatians 2:3, Galatians 5:2, Romans 3:1, etcetera.

 

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See, you are not answering .

Ive answered your clearly.
If you can't understand the answer, then that is on you, Bible Hightlighter.

 

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You fail to understand that Paul was fighting against a heresy of which I call, “Circumcision Salvationism.”

Yes, you make up a lot of terms that deny the Cross of Christ., by trying to deny it with your "works to be saved, works to stay saved", false Gospel. ..Galatians 1:8

 

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The reason you can't talk about the Cross, The Grace of God, or "born again" is because you dont know anything about it.
And when you meet someone who does, you then want to talk only about works.

Sorry, I don’t engage in cult like fantasies. Titus 2:11-12 says God’s grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world.

You are now talking about "quickened" because you can't talk about "Born again".

To be quickened or made alive is the born again experience. It happens when you are first saved by God’s grace.

Listen... Jesus never told you to be "quickened"... Jesus said to you....>"you must be BORN AGAIN".
THis is why i talk about this endlessly, and you talk about your savior....."works".
And you'll do it again.

You are stuck in a feed back loop of your own false thinking that you cannot escape from.
No Scripture will tell you otherwise.

 

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Ive answered your clearly.
If you can't understand the answer, then that is on you, Bible Hightlighter.

No. You are not answering directly what I asked because it will expose you that you are teaching that your an sin and still be saved. That’s the only reason you did not give a direct answer. You gave an answer but it was an indirect answer to evade the real truth of that answer that I was really seeking by the question I asked.

 

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So what of your statements before about OSAS being a license to sin?

Ive not said any "statements about OSAS being a License to sin".

I stated that the cult of OSAS, you, teach what the 1 Century heretics taught about the Grace of God, as they tried to twist the idea and understanding of it, as "license to sin" or "licentiousness".

 

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Titus 2:11-12 says God’s grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world.
To be quickened or made alive is the born again experience. It happens when you are first saved by God’s grace.

Titus does teach that you should live holy, but Titus does not say that if you dont, you lose your salvation.
Its the HERETICS who add that LEGALISM deception to the word of God.
As YOU KNOW.

Also, there is one Quickening, that is related to being born again......and not a few after it.

Being Born again, is Salvation attained.
This BIRTH of your SPIRIT happens one time........exactly once...........and that is when you give God your FAITH in Christ, and God gives the BELIEVER the "Gift of Salvation".

In that INSTANT, the BELIEVER< has become "a New Creation" in Christ"

 

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Yes, you make up a lot of terms that deny the Cross of Christ., by trying to deny it with your "works to be saved, works to stay saved", false Gospel. ..Galatians 1:8

So you deny that the Jews were trying to convince Gentile Christians to be circumcised to saved according to Acts of the Apostles 15:1?

 

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No. You are not answering directly what I asked because it will expose you that you are teaching that your an sin and still be saved. That’s the only reason you did not give a direct answer. You gave an answer but it was an indirect answer to evade the real truth of that answer that I was really seeking by the question I asked.

Fella, all you expose , is your Cross rejecting gospel of Works.
And you'll "expose " it again, as its all you have to teach., BibleHighligher.


Now, I gave a spiritual answer that you can't understand.

Let me try again....

God does not charge the born again, with their sin....

Romans 4:8

2 Corinthians 5:19

And listen, hiding from those verses, only exposes you more, BibleHighligher.

Listen CAREFULLY.... = God does not CHARGE....the BORN AGAIN, with their sin.

Why? = Because God has judged Christ for them all.. and Christ DIED for them ALL


Next.

The Born again Spirit,...... not the body or the mind..... is the CHRISTIAN.....And the Christian is ONE WITH GOD, Spiritually.


The body is DEAD because of SIN< but the Spirit is alive because Christ is in Spiritual Union with the born again.

 

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Ive not said any "statements about OSAS being a License to sin".

I stated that the cult of OSAS, you, teach what the 1 Century heretics taught about the Grace of God, as they tried to twist the idea and understanding of it, as "license to sin" or "licentiousness".

I agree that OSAS is a license to sin. A license to sin is also what you believe, as well. Unless of course you can convince me that you must live holy as a part of God’s saving grace. So far… you really have not convinced me of that. I asked you if a believer can lie and be saved. You say that sin cannot be charged to the account of the born again and this means that you believe that a believer can lie and be saved. This is a license to sin. So how exactly can you condemn others for teaching that God’s grace is a license to sin when you are in fact doing that, as well? You really are speaking in contradictions here.

 

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So you deny that the Jews were trying to convince Gentile Christians to be circumcised to saved according to Acts of the Apostles 15:1?

What?

You are now talking about Paul's FIGHT he had with PETER, who was caught up in that and had to be corrected by Paul, harshly ?

Are you caught up in it also?
Im not.

See, here is the Thing.
God came down Here as Christ on the Cross, and offers this death, this sacrifice as the only way God will accept you.
You have to hear this Gospel, i just told you, and you have to BELIEVE IT.
If you do, God will take that Faith, and accept it and you are "Justified by faith".
This is easy to understand, yet since '1993, you have not understood it.
So, apparently your "bible study" was moot, for many years.