What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[RLT63]

I don’t. Do you? If not, why not?

I usually don't. I have been in Church services where we prayed for The Holy Spirit to come or to fill someone. Not at my current Church though.

 

[Windmillcharge]

I gave 2 verses that say a man had to pay for our sins. Can you give me 2 verses that say a god-man had to do it?

consquence of sin
Numbers 32:23, Isaiah 59:2, Habakkuk1:13
Romans 6:23

If man tries to deal with his sins he must accept that dealing with them means punishment, eternal separation from God.

Man cannot deal with his own sins let alone the sins of the world.

Only God can do that.
John1:29 the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
Romans 8:3For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh.”
1 Peter 2:24 – “He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.”
2 Corinthians 5:21 – “For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.”

 

[Matthias]

OK.

Those who are about to die salute you!

There’s no need to fear the trinitarians. All that we are asked to do is abide by the Board rules.

 

[Matthias]

I usually don't. I have been in Church services where we prayed for The Holy Spirit to come or to fill someone. Not at my current Church though.

Thanks. I’ve met few trinitarians who say they pray to the Holy Spirit. Being as the Holy Spirit is the Third Person of their deity, I’ve never understood why the hesitancy on the part of many trinitarians to pray to the Holy Spirit.

The “best” answer I’ve been given is that the First and Second Persons of the Trinity are in heaven and the Third Person of the Trinity is on earth, with the trinitarian. There is reason and need to pray to the First and the Second who are (or should it be, is?) in heaven, but no need to pray to the Third who is on earth.

What do you think about that answer? Does it sound reasonable to you? Does it sound unreasonable to you? Do you think there is a better explanation? I’d like to understand it.

 

[Wrangler]

If you believe Jesus is the Son of God, that he died for our sins and rose from the dead on the 3rd day, repent of your sins and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior I think you are saved. I think to do so you have to pray to Jesus.

You think that EVE THOUGH Jesus taught us to pray to God, our Father (and not to him or a trinity)?

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Those who are about to die salute you!

There’s no need to fear the trinitarians. All that we are asked to do is abide by the Board rules.

I don't fear Trinitarians.
Or anyone .

 

[RLT63]

Thanks. I’ve met few trinitarians who say they pray to the Holy Spirit. Being as the Holy Spirit is the Third Person of their deity, I’ve never understood why the hesitancy on the part of many trinitarians to pray to the Holy Spirit.

The “best” answer I’ve been given is that the First and Second Persons of the Trinity are in heaven and the Third Person of the Trinity is on earth, with the trinitarian. There is reason and need to pray to the First and the Second who are (or should it be, is?) in heaven, but no need to pray to the Third who is on earth.

What do you think about that answer? Does it sound reasonable to you? Does it sound unreasonable to you? Do you think there is a better explanation? I’d like to understand it.

I just don't find examples in the Bible of people praying to The Holy Spirit. Jesus prayed to The Father.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

I just don't find examples in the Bible of people praying to The Holy Spirit. Jesus prayed to The Father.

The father is holy spirit.

 

[Matthias]

I just don't find examples in the Bible of people praying to The Holy Spirit. Jesus prayed to The Father.

I think that’s a reasonable answer.

Still, people pray to their deity.

You cited in your response Jesus praying to his God and my God.

 

[Wrangler]

To the Father and Jesus.

I noticed people pray FOR the HS, not to the HS.

 

[Johann]

I’m glad you recognize this as a belief you hold and nothing more. That kind of awareness should make you less likely to condemn others who believe differently.

There's a big difference between condemning, and rebuking, according to the scriptures.

 

[Matthias]

There's a big difference between condemning, and rebuking, according to the scriptures.

You stand rebuked. I don’t have the authority to condemn anyone. I do have the authority to rebuke. Do whatever you think best in response to it.

 

[Johann]

You stand rebuked. I don’t have the authority to condemn anyone. I do have the authority to rebuke. Do whatever you think best in response to it.

I stand rebuked, because I believe in the Triune Godhead, Christ Jesus pre-existence, not a "created being" but the Creator?
You hold to the Shema, is worshipping Jesus idol worship?!

 

[Matthias]

I stand rebuked, because I believe in the Triune Godhead, Christ Jesus pre-existence, not a "created being" but the Creator?

You stand rebuked for having a deity which the Messiah himself didn’t, doesn’t and never will.

You hold to the Shema…

Yes. A thousand times, yes.

Why do I hold to the Shema? Because the Messiah himself does.

…is worshipping Jesus idol worship?!

No. Worshipping Jesus isn’t idol worship.

 

[Wrangler]

What does that tell you? What is the name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit?

Language usage. What is the name of Peter Paul and Mary! What is the name of the Pittsburg Steelers.

 

[Johann]

You stand rebuked for having a deity which the Messiah himself didn’t, doesn’t and never will.

Jesus a deity? Jesus NOT God!
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος
Bereshis (in the Beginning) was the Dvar Hashem [YESHAYAH 55:11; BERESHIS 1:1], and the Dvar Hashem was agav (along with) Hashem [MISHLE 8:30; 30:4], and the Dvar Hashem was nothing less, by nature, than Elohim! [Psa 56:11(10); Yn 17:5; Rev. 19:13]
OJB

I stand rebuked for this! That Christ is Elohim! Not a created being, but the CREATOR!


Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

 

[Matthias]

Jesus a deity? Jesus NOT God!
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος
Bereshis (in the Beginning) was the Dvar Hashem [YESHAYAH 55:11; BERESHIS 1:1], and the Dvar Hashem was agav (along with) Hashem [MISHLE 8:30; 30:4], and the Dvar Hashem was nothing less, by nature, than Elohim! [Psa 56:11(10); Yn 17:5; Rev. 19:13]
OJB

I stand rebuked for this! That Christ is Elohim! Not a created being, but the CREATOR!


Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

You stand rebuked for the reason I stated. I wouldn’t rebuke you, or anyone else, if I didn’t care about you.

 

[Johann]

You stand rebuked for the reason I stated. I wouldn’t rebuke you, or anyone else, if I didn’t care about you.

Can you read John 1:1 and give me your interpretation?

Then read


Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Joh 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
Joh 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Joh 17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
Joh 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
Joh 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Joh 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
Joh 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Joh 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
Joh 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

How do you read the scriptures?

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Wow! Project much?!

If you don’t have a verse in 66 books that directly teaches your dogma, AND IF you had the fruit of the Spirit, including humility and self control, you’d simply humbly admit you believe what is not there, not call people names.

Make a blessed day!

Have a verse for what ?????

I calls um as I sees um.........

You are arrogant and obtuse.

Please put me on ignore so YOU can't see what I write, you dont read it all anyway. Just tantrum throw.

 

[Matthias]

“I believe believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth.” - the Apostles’ Creed, supported by policy on this Board.

When someone tells me that someone else besides my God created the heavens and the earth they are telling me that they don’t agree with the assertion made in the Apostles’ Creed.

The $64,000 question: Does scripture agree with this particular assertion made in the Creed?

My response to the question, it does.