Who would you want with you on a deserted Island?

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Who would you want with you on a deserted Island?

My spouse. But accounting us as one...then my dog. ;)
 

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Add a fishing pole or two, a bible, and my dogs along with a good strong Christian.

Well if we can do add ons of things...yes a Bible, knife, and a propane fire starter...:)

And there is a way to catch fish without a pole, line, hook.
 
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I’ve been considering this question —almost placed this under Health—because to me it does apply to mental health.

surely we have read the passages concerning those brought out from the House of Slavery in the OT. Concerning mental health: mind, body, and soul…consider their passage in the wilderness…

would you want complaining, doubtful, nay-saying …a company of constant “what are we going to eat?” “What are we going to drink?” A company with you that tells you over and over “you are not going to make this journey to the land.” A constant “you will fail.” A constant “God brought you out from the house of slavery to strand you here.” Prophesying over and over “God brought you out to let you die in the wilderness.” An Urging over and over, a shouting loud uproar daily “God, we were better off back where we come out from!”


It feels like this often on this board, in daily life …all the voices fighting over “faith lost”, “salvation loss”, “not able to finish the race”, “missing the mark”, “not going to be able to make it to a better land” “falling short”, “sinking” “not having sufficient food”, or “not having sufficient drink”
for a three day journey in the wilderness…to the point that it mentally sucks the potential for Life, and any mental health of focus on He who Provides stability —right out of you.
Where—with so much convincing or pleading. As if badgering you into an agreement to the certain failure—repeated daily—or certain doom of it…the certain impossibly of not having the sufficiency for the three day journey out and away from the House of slavery…
All the naying screams “turn back” … “turn back to what you came out from” … “you (we)were better off in the house of slavery, then to be brought out of God from the House of slavery, to then be here out in the wilderness with God left to die!” There comes a point you want to cover your ears, screaming in agreement that “ok, You are right! I’m not stable!!” “ok, IF you love me, then why do you want me so hard and so long to Fail!”
you want to cover your ears and to not listen anymore to the love or watching over you coming failure. But all the naying has be planted and has gotten in deep, to where even with your ears shut” you hear “you Tare!” “God, The Father, is going to pluck you up by the roots!” “you better listen to what I’m telling you in Love; or you will fail.” “Not having sufficient food.” “Not having sufficient drink.” For the three day journey in the wilderness…
In all the uproar and fear naying…fear gets planted deep, no trust gets in, no Faith gets in…the voice must be right…there isn’t sufficient food for me out here in the wilderness or sufficient drink for me out here in the wilderness … “I don’t belong in this company” failure is certainly convincingly this way, out here, leads death. “turn back, return to the house of slavery God brought you out from”! Maybe there you will find life, maybe there you will have strength.
you do as the company instructs because all the doubting has won …being planted. Doubt has grown and sprouted, grown up like a weed so they must be right, return to the House of slavery you were better off there. “Run” “turn back” or you will surely die!

Will you be missed from their company?
No.
They are too busy planting and sowing fear to see you return to that house from which God brought you out from…too busy to see they have won, too occupied shouting at God “Give us enough food to eat that we don’t starve!” “give us enough drink that we don’t go thirsty!” to care or to even notice you go back to where God brought you out from.

what company do you want with you on a deserted island? I think about Christ temptation in the wilderness, how angels came to minister to Him. And then the devil left off and depart for a while from all the badgering of tempting Christ of “you should serve me. I can give you all this!” Calling and tempting “return you Son of man to the House of Slavery” and “serve me”
and you surely won’t die. I will give you life.
Someone that is a good cook and knows how to prepare bananas and coconut meals I suppose. A good rat stew might also be useful. And if you could catch a seagul for some stir fry that might be tasty too. :jest:
 

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Well if we can do add ons of things...yes a Bible, knife, and a propane fire starter...:)

And there is a way to catch fish without a pole, line, hook.
My guess is that most city folks landed on an island in the wild would shrivel up and die without their modern 'conveniences'
Goodness me, what would they do without toilet paper? o_O
 

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sorry venting. Maybe somewhere some one else has felt or heard those voices of certain doom. Of Certain failure planted to where it becomes easy to be convinced: you most certainly will fall on your face.

Christianity seems so dang hard and impossible to achieve…no wonder many leave. Exhausted and worn out. …all the voices fighting over “faith lost”, “salvation loss”, “not able to finish the race”, “missing the mark”, “not going to be able to make it to a better land” “falling short”, “sinking” “not having sufficient food”, or “not having sufficient drink”

it does make me think of the saying concerning children… be careful what you say and repeat, because little ears might be listening.

Actually, I hear the exact opposite by many in the world of Christianity today. Most Christian forums I attended are filled with many Christians there who believe they can sin and still be saved on some level by having a belief alone in Jesus. They want to tickle your ears to make grace and faith as easy as nothing more than a mental ascent. But God’s grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12). I would rather have a person warning me about a bridge that is out up ahead than them trying to sugar coat the truth of that. We all want to hear comforting things. Who doesn’t. But the reality is that we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12), and not with delusions of grandeur to make ourselves feel better.
 

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My guess is that most city folks landed on an island in the wild would shrivel up and die without their modern 'conveniences'
Goodness me, what would they do without toilet paper? o_O

Years ago there was a program called “survivor”. I watched some episodes...they spent more time plotting against each other...but anyway...not a clue what was priority and get to getting.

Probably most would die in short order. No clue what plants are for eating, medicine, how to build a shelter, fish, get fresh water, make a rope, make a weapon, on and on.
 

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Years ago there was a program called “survivor”. I watched some episodes...they spent more time plotting against each other...but anyway...not a clue what was priority and get to getting.
ahhhhgmmmm, did you say that program also went by the name of CB? :eek:
 
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To all:

Ear tickling is spoken about in 2 Timothy 4:3.
It says that after their own lusts, they will not endure sound doctrine.

Those who are disobedient and ungodly is in the same category of being contrary to sound doctrine according to 1 Timothy 1:9-10.

1 Timothy 1:9-10
9 “Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”

As I said before, most I have encountered in Christianity are seeking to be disobedient in some way (even when they might appear to be for obedience). Why? Well, some of them say stupid things like they cannot sin [when they do sin] according to a false misinterpretation on 1 John 3:10 because they had been saved in the past once by Jesus. Meaning, if they appear to sin in the eyes of others, they really are not sinning in reality with God. Such are enemies of the cross.
 
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To all:

Ear tickling is spoken about in 2 Timothy 4:3.
It says that after their own lusts, they will not endure sound doctrine.

Those who are disobedient and ungodly is in the same category of being contrary to sound doctrine according to 1 Timothy 1:9-10.

1 Timothy 1:9-10
9 “Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
...and so the texts are poured out.....smugly!
 

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2 Timothy 4:2
“Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.”
 
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An answer to the OP:

Isaiah 30:10 says,
“…Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:”
 

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Isaiah 55:11
“So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.”
 

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To all:

Ear tickling is spoken about in 2 Timothy 4:3.
It says that after their own lusts, they will not endure sound doctrine.

Those who are disobedient and ungodly is in the same category of being contrary to sound doctrine according to 1 Timothy 1:9-10.


Exactly. You brought up “contrary to sound doctrine” …that was my struggle or, the conflict I wrestled with in the OP “and of a sound mind”. Sometimes my doubting for the lack of “a sound mind”…
2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
 

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Exactly. You brought up “contrary to sound doctrine” …that was my struggle or, the conflict I wrestled with in the OP “and of a sound mind”. Sometimes my doubting for the lack of “a sound mind”…
2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Did you even look at the context? My guess is you did not.
Lets look at another similar verse.

Romans 8:15
“For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.”

Sounds like you are good to go to Heaven and you have no need to fear God. Right?

Well, lets read Romans 8:13.

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).

So if you live after the flesh (sin), you will die (die the second death). But if you through the Spirit do mortify (put to death) the deeds of the body (sin), you shall live (live eternally).

Because everybody dies. Even the righteous. So logic dictates that Romans 8:13 is talking about the second death if one lives back under the flesh or sin.

In fact, Ananias and Sapphira died instantly each for lying to the Spirit, and a great fear fell upon the church and all who heard about it (See: Acts of the Apostles 5:1-11 and pay attention to verse 11).

2 Corinthians 7:1 says let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Philippians 2:12 says work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

So why would Paul say we are not given the spirit of fear?

One reason most likely is that if you broke the Old Law (i.e. the Law of Moses) you could be stoned or put to death physically.

This is not the case in the New Covenant. We do have grace. We are able to confess of our sins and we are given time and space to overcome our sins in this life. But that does not mean God wants us to be a slave to our sin. The slave to sin will not abide in the house forever (John 8:34-35). Those in Christ’s kingdom who work iniquity will be gathered out by Christ’s angels at the Judgment and they will be cast into the furnace of fire (Matthew 13:41-42).

Try doing a study on the fear of God in your Bible. You cannot take one verse and read it at the expense of many others.