farouk
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The NWT is a fabrication.Yes, which elaboration was added for the fathers of Israel who would recognize Him by that name. But first He said "I AM" when Moses ask what name.
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The NWT is a fabrication.Yes, which elaboration was added for the fathers of Israel who would recognize Him by that name. But first He said "I AM" when Moses ask what name.
That is an assertion which is pointless unless you provide proof...please do.The NWT is a fabrication.
This is the exchange between God and Moses:
Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?”Is that not what you are referring to?
14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you."
Thanks, that's all very informative!...................................................
It is very clear that although YHWH (Jehovah) is used many thousands of times as God’s personal name throughout the OT by God Himself and His followers, the word ehyeh is used only once (Ex.3:14) for God.
The New Bible Dictionary, Douglas (ed.), 1962, pp. 478, 479, published by Eerdmans, explains it well:
“Strictly speaking, Yahweh [or ‘Jehovah’ in traditional English form] is the only ‘name’ of God .... Elohim [the Hebrew word translated ‘God’ in English] says, ‘this [YHWH] is my name for ever’ (Ex. 3:15). Yahweh [Jehovah], therefore, in contrast with Elohim [‘God’], is a proper noun, the name of a person .... He [Moses] inquires, ‘when ... the children of Israel ... shall say, what (mah [in Hebrew]) is his name? What shall I say unto them?’ (Ex. 3:13). The normal way to ask a name is to use the [Hebrew] pronoun mî; to use mah invites an answer which goes further, and gives the meaning (‘what?’) or substance of the name.”
[[For an example of this, see Ex. 13:14 in the NIV Interlinear Hebrew-English Old Testament. Mah, exactly as in Ex. 3:13, clearly has this meaning and is even translated in the NRSV; RSV; REB; NAB; NJB; JB; NIV as “what does this mean?” Perhaps an even better parallel is the use of mah at Ezekiel 37:18 where mah is rendered as "what you mean" in KJV; NASB; RSV; NRSV; REB; NAB; NJB; JB; NIV; etc. Also carefully examine the use of mah at Gen. 37:10; Ex. 12:26; Deut. 6:20; 29:24; Josh. 4:6, 21; 1 Sam. 4:6, 14; 15:14; Ezek. 17:12; 18:2.]]
“This helps to explain the reply, namely, ‘I AM THAT I AM’; and He said, ‘Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM [ehyeh] hath sent me unto you’ (Ex. 3:14). By this Moses would not think that God was announcing a new name, nor is it called a ‘name’; it is just the inner meaning of the name Moses [and the Israelites already] knew. We have here a play upon words; ‘Yahweh’ is interpreted by ehyeh. M. Buber translates ‘I will be as I will be’ and expounds it as a promise of God’s power and enduring presence with them in the process of deliverance.[15] That something like this is the purport of these words, which in English sound enigmatical, is shown by what follows, ‘Yahweh [‘Jehovah’] the God of your fathers .... this is my name for ever’ (15). The full content [meaning] of the name comes first, the name itself follows.” (The New Bible Dictionary, 2nd ed., Douglas, 1982, Tyndale House, p. 430, is nearly identical to the above quote also.) - [Material in double brackets and emphasis added by me – RDB.]
“Nevertheless, Exod. 3 does not appear to give a new name for the first time but the explanation of a name known already but now identified as the saving God of Israel....” - The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, p. 69, Vol. 2, Zondervan, 1986.
In its commentary to Exodus 3:14, the JPS Tanakh, Jewish Study Bible, Oxford Edition states:
"God's proper name disclosed in the next verse is YHVH (spelled yod-heh-vav-heh. In Heb., in ancient times, the "vav" was pronounced "w"). But here God first tells Moses its meaning; ehyeh-asher-ehyeh, probably best translated as "I will be what I will be" meaning: "My nature will become evident from my actions."
“The name of God
“Israel’s ancestors knew God as ‘the LORD’, Yahweh (or Jehovah) (Genesis 2:4; Gen 12:1; Gen 26:2; Gen 28:21; Gen 49:18), but the name meant little to the Israelites of Moses’ time. God’s revelation to Moses in the ‘I am’ statement of Exodus 3:14 was an explanation of what the name Yahweh should have meant to God’s people.” - Bridgeway Bible Commentary.
“God had made Himself known to Abraham as Jehovah (Genesis 15:7). But here [Ex. 3:14] He gives the explanation of His name Jehovah. The patriarchs knew the name Jehovah, but the blessed significance of that name was not known to them.” - Arno Gaebelein's Annotated Bible.
NET Bible fn. for Ex, 3:14,15 - “First the verb ‘I AM’ [ehyeh] was used (v. 14) in place of the name to indicate its meaning and to remind Moses of God’s promise to be with him (v. 12). Now in v. 15 the actual name is used for clear identification: ‘Yahweh…has sent me.’ This is the name that the patriarchs invoked and proclaimed in the land of Canaan.”
So we see that Moses is really asking at Ex. 3:13, “when the children of Israel shall say ‘what is the meaning [mah] of his name?’ What shall I say to them?” Therefore, what is given in Ex. 3:14 is not his name at all (which they all knew already) but the meaning (or “explanation”) of his personal name “Jehovah.” That name (which even Moses knew at this time - his mother’s name, in fact, at Ex. 6:20, means “Jehovah is glory” according to Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance) is plainly stated in Ex. 3:15 and obviously is to be known and used as God’s personal name forever by all his true worshipers. Contrast the 7000 times that “Jehovah” is clearly used as God’s name in the scriptures with how many times “I AM” (or ehyeh) is clearly used for God’s name (none)!
......................................................The NWT is a fabrication.
Please see post #84.Yes sir that is exactly what I am referring to, so why did you cut Him off in the middle of what He told Moses His name was, I AM was not His name, but a quality of His name that He went on to give Scott. So now continue on, and what name did God give Moses that would be His name forever as found in the very next verse? Secondly, why do you suppose most people stop where you did and say His name is I AM?
Thanks, that's all very informative!
However, personally--which was the nature of the Original Post question, it all brings me full circle to "it is just the inner meaning of the name." That inner meaning is indeed what is behind the names also given, just as most names are--and it is that inner meaning that I prefer. Just as many would think it right to call my own father Mr., I would never do that, but prefer to call him what He is, that being my father, or Dad.
Again, that is all very informative, and I do appreciate it. But I also fear that much is lost in referring to or the "making many books" of which "there is no end, and much study is wearisome to the flesh."Likely the problem lies in the version of the Bible you choose as your primary, which altered God's name. You must not realize the importance of Jehovah's name perhaps not even realizing that calling upon His name is a requirement for salvation Rom 10:13. His name occurs in the oldest manuscripts we believe 6973 times, in the Hebrew passages alone. You may be familiar that the oldest passages available of the Greek Scriptures do not have it at all, but we firmly believe that the original penmen used God's name, and especially would have not changed it when they quoted Hebrew passages in their texts.
According to Jesus, he made God's name known Jn 17:26, and of course his followers make it known as well Rom 10:14,15. You do not personally have one close friend you do not call by name, and knowing and being a friend of God is a requirement for salvation as well. It would be impossible for us to make God's name known to others without using it.
Here are multiple examples of God's people using or calling Him by name sir: (Genesis 4:1) . . .In time she gave birth to Cain and said: “I have produced a man with the aid of Jehovah. . .
(Genesis 4:26) . . .At that time a start was made of calling on the name of Jehovah.
(Genesis 9:26) . . .And he added: “Blessed be Jehovah, Shem’s God,. . .
(Genesis 12:8) . . .Then he built an altar there to Jehovah and began to call on the name of Jehovah.
(Numbers 5:21) . . .“May Jehovah set you for a cursing and an oath in the midst of your people by Jehovah’s letting your thigh fall away, and your belly swell.
(Numbers 6:22-26) . . .Then Jehovah spoke to Moses, saying: 23 “Speak to Aaron and his sons, saying, ‘This is the way YOU should bless the sons of Israel, saying to them: 24 “May Jehovah bless you and keep you. 25 May Jehovah make his face shine toward you, and may he favor you. 26 May Jehovah lift up his face toward you and assign peace to you.”’
(Numbers 27:15-17) . . .Then Moses spoke to Jehovah, saying: 16 “Let Jehovah the God of the spirits of all sorts of flesh appoint over the assembly a man 17 who will go out before them and who will come in before them and who will bring them out and who will bring them in, that Jehovah’s assembly may not become like sheep that have no shepherd.”
And still today this is established: (Acts 15:14) . . .Symʹe·on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.
Again, that is all very informative, and I do appreciate it. But I also fear that much is lost in referring to or the "making many books" of which "there is no end, and much study is wearisome to the flesh."
You also connect it to what is "requirement for salvation", of which I also have personal knowledge. And therefore, it is my witness that according to all that you have shared, I would not have called upon the rightful name of God, but instead just approached Him as "God" by my then almost non-existent knowledge; and that if He had not received my cry to Him by what was rather in my heart--then He would not have answered...and yet He did, which to me was salvation and life everlasting. And for this reason, I am rather also satisfied at that same point and measure as He extended to me.
@Taken Scripture is full of God's glorious titles. The NWT is a fabrication.What is God's Personal Name?
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Every NAME, God has revealed to call Him.
Ex;
I Am
Jehovah
JAH
JESUS
Same as Every, Title God has revealed to call Him.
Ex;
LORD
Lord
KING
Same as Every, Express Description God has revealed to Apply to Him.
Ex.
Spirit
Everlasting
Holy
Creator
Maker
ROCK
Faithful
True
Savior
Heavenly Father
Son
Christ
Power
Word
Wisdom
Sinless
Righteous
Good
Deliverer
Light
Overcomer
Giver
Taker
Glory to God,
Taken
@Taken Scripture is full of God's glorious titles. The NWT is a fabrication.
Not for not, but for.You have stated a lot of words to do your utmost to give reasons not to use God's name, so I guess this topic is exhausted Scott.
Not for not, but for.
Thus, while it is certainly all well and good to call God by His surname, I am happy to call Him by His given name.
God Himself is behind what He has done in Christ whose given name is above every name. It is a new day.So then why haven't you Scott? His people certainly address Him by His name 1 Kings 8:28, and use it in their conversations with each other as well as the verses I quoted you did. Who do you suppose is behind the suppression of Jehovah's name sir?
....................................................God Himself is behind what He has done in Christ whose given name is above every name. It is a new day.
Ceptn Jehovah's of course. Remember Jesus is #2 in position, who sits at Jehovah's right hand. Most likely where the term right hand man originated from.God Himself is behind what He has done in Christ whose given name is above every name. It is a new day.
"Praise ye the Lord" or just "Praise."....................................................
Do you know the meaning of "Hallelujah"? Why would this phrase be used for the Father in Rev. 19:1-6 if the name were not to be used by Christians?
There is an order of things in the breakdown of revelation, but not in the end, which is One as in the beginning.Ceptn Jehovah's of course. Remember Jesus is #2 in position, who sits at Jehovah's right hand. Most likely where the term right hand man originated from.