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Would it offend you if I suggested that both of these men were the same man?
@Michiah-Imla and @Aunty Jane both of you need a language lesson like Peterlag does, after all, you liked Peterlag's fool, anti-linguist post.
In language, there is (1) first person [I, me], (2) second person [you], and (3) third person [he, she, it].
The last two words of John 8:58 are first person, not third person. The words are "ego eimi" which translates using legal grammar into "I AM".
When you convey that John 8:58 would be correctly translated as "I am he", then your fool linguistics show in extreme clarity. YOU MIX IN THIRD PERSON WHERE THE THIRD PERSON IS NOT REPRESENTED IN THE SOURCE GREEK!
You all fight to stuff your words into Lord Jesus Christ's mouth to change the meaning away from the Truth that Jesus is everlasting - your words that are not there among Jesus' words; therefore, your words are your evil words that lead to everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46, John 8:24).
The Truth (John 14:6) is that Jesus is God for the ever living Word of God proclaims this Truth "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM" (John 8:58) and the Word of God says "I will settle him in My house and in My kingdom forever, and his throne shall be established forever" (1 Chronicles 17:14), so according to the Word, Lord Jesus existed in eternity past and will exist in eternity future which means the Word is uncreated thus the Word proclaims that the Word is YHWH God for there is NO other that exists in eternity past and future (Isaiah 45:5).
Jesus is God with us per the Apostle (Matthew 1:23), so Jesus is truly Almighty God, YHWH, with us (Revelation 1:8)!
I’m big on definitions. I’ve read the soul = body + spirit.
However, verses like you reference call that into question. I don’t agree with @Peterlag on this matter. And I suspect Language Usage plays a roll in the confusion. Some people use soul and spirit interchangeably even though not precisely correct based on the above definition/equation.
There is only one immortal Spirit, the Spirit of God. He breathed his Spirit of Life into Adam and Eve, who propagate it on through the generations. That is, only temporally and bodily. When our body dies, our God given spirit returns to God.
Although we are made in the image of God, it does not mean we are God or fully make his Spirit our own spirit for our ego may push aside the spirit of God for our glory rather than his.
We cannot purge ourselves of self by our own will. We need Christ for that, God’s only mediator to us. We cannot help but be touched by God’s Spirit, since he made us. Again, being touched by, made in his image, does not mean we fully embrace his divine spirit.
Because of that rejection, the Spirit given to us returns to God - without Christ’s intervention. That’s my $0.02.
Hope that helps.
It is not about making Jesus anything. Jesus is God.
The reason this is necessary is redemption (in Christ man is reconciled to God).
It is not about making Jesus anything. Jesus is God.
The reason this is necessary is redemption (in Christ man is reconciled to God).
Can we MAKE Jesus anything?
Is that really within our power?
What benefit is it for us to MAKE the sun the center of the solar system? We should make the earth the center of the solar system. [except, of course, we have no power to make the sun or the earth the center of the solar system. We can only acknowledge the reality that the sun is the center of the solar system and Jesus is God … or we can play the fool and lie to ourselves.]
through a Man whom He has appointed
Other versions do say a Man he has appointed. I have no problem with that, Jesus is a man. He is also divine.
If I read the Bible with no foreknowledge of the Trinity I would conclude something similar to what was said in the discussion you posted of Origen. That Jesus was with God in the beginning and he is God and that he and God are One.Jesus is a man, but he’s no God-man. He’s more remarkable than that.
If any creature has the faithfulness of god, it is our beloved dogs.What about the dog? Body and soul? Or does the dog have the spirit of God?
I doubt it since Jesus died and god raised him from the dead. See Acts 17:31.If I read the Bible with no foreknowledge of the Trinity I would conclude something similar to what was said in the discussion you posted of Origen. That Jesus was with God in the beginning and he is God and that he and God are One.
If any creature has the faithfulness of god, it is our beloved dogs.
It would not be heaven for me if I were not re-united with Wranglers best friends.
Jesus said he had the power to do it.Agreed. All prophets are divine. All angels are divine but Scripture informs us there is only one deity.
Who appointed and raised this divine man from the dead?
Jesus said he had the power to do it.I doubt it since Jesus died and god raised him from the dead. See Acts 17:31.
John 2;19-21Agreed. All prophets are divine. All angels are divine but Scripture informs us there is only one deity.
Who appointed and raised this divine man from the dead?
If any creature has the faithfulness of god, it is our beloved dogs.
It would not be heaven for me if I were not re-united with Wranglers best friends.
This is merely a denial of the meaning of Jesus' words.He did not actually physically exist as a person, but rather he existed in the mind of God as God's plan for the redemption of man.
John 6:38-40 Where did Jesus come from? Who will raise us up?I doubt it since Jesus died and god raised him from the dead. See Acts 17:31.