Does God love, or hate unbelievers?

[Earburner]

I don’t think so. My mother does not believe. Her Being 91 ..I can’t preach at her now because too wordy long speeches she has no ability to comprehend. Now every day she tells she waits to die and cease to be. Others here would have a hard time convincing me that my mother doesn’t have Fruit. Even though she spits, growls, wont own a thing she has ever done wrong…because through her unbelief I’ve obtained mercy. My sister and I have learned and been taught: patience, long-suffering, forgiveness, grace and mercy. My mother is hard as grizzle but to me the Lord says through her unbelief, I have obtained what she cries as never having or knowing fully that she needs which is mercy. I think my mother has Fruit and doesn’t even know it. It is her daughters …the other day my mother was angry and said “I have no purpose”…I said “sure you do. You have given your daughters an opportunity to bear kindness and care and nurture of their mother.” I don’t think my mother liked her purpose, is us. She did that eye rolling thing and sound of uninterested she does as if that isn’t enough. I wanted to say “wait and see.” But there it is…I think that is her purpose “through unbelief” that her daughters obtain “mercy” which hopefully God has taught us to give…

Next to your personal experience, it appears that you think that John 3:18 means nothing.
The Grace of God is not a "big blanket", covering those who choose and remain in unbelief.
I am sure, in her lifetime, Jesus came knocking on her door for repentance towards God, but now His knocking may be for her no more. Revelation 3:20.
Romans 8:8-9 IS a reality.
Remember, there were two thieves on crosses next to Jesus, facing death very soon. One repented, the other did not, and according to the record, only the one who repented, was promised to be in paradise with Jesus.

 

[Enoch111]

Does God love, or hate unbelievers?

The answer is found in John 3:14-17:
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

All are "unbelievers" until they become believers.

 

[Jack]

No surprise, nobody wants to answer, "Does God love those He burns in Hell forever and ever".

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Next to your personal experience, it appears that you think that John 3:18 means nothing.
The Grace of God is not a "big blanket", covering those who choose and remain in unbelief.
I am sure, in her lifetime, Jesus came knocking on her door for repentance towards God, but now His knocking may be for her no more. Revelation 3:20.
Romans 8:8-9 IS a reality.
Remember, there were two thieves on crosses next to Jesus, facing death very soon. One repented, the other did not, and according to the record, only the one who repented, was promised to be in paradise with Jesus.

I get others might not agree since I didn’t expect they would. For me I can’t see God the Father wanting me to stand at my mothers funeral and stand there with no hope. I just don’t. Can you tell me why my Father would want his daughter to stand there with so much doubt and sorrow and regret, beating herself up with “I asked, Father. Did you not hear? What was all that about a prayer of faith will save the sick?” So to me concerning what you quoted
John 3:18 would be towards my own lack of belief, not having believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Not my mothers. She hasn’t claim anything of the sort. It is me who has claimed to have believed the Father.
Really consider what we say in “I’m so sorry and saddened for our love ones who chose not to believe. What will become of them?” Why would the Father desire His children to have so much uncertainty? Reminds me of when the met Jesus and imposed “if you would have been here sooner. But our brother in now dead.” Consider that… “if you just would have been here sooner, Son of God.” I can’t assert enough how much I’m not buying that the Father, whom I’ve been told does indeed Love me…desires my standing by any love one’s grave with uncertainty in His Name, head hung in “wow. I failed to convince. Now that which I loved burns in hell, but oh well it was their choice.”

honestly, even though it will be expected I grieve and am heavy when my mother passes…God has given me a hope. Because I truly don’t think the Father wants his children filled with doubt and uncertainty…same with my brother who has already passed a couple years ago. I’ve never met someone so bitter. But I once saw that bitterness crack and him shake and sob like a small child. I will say it again…to me those who claim to know the Fathers love to me the “do not doubt” is theirs not those who do doubt.

 

[atpollard]

No surprise, nobody wants to answer, "Does God love those He burns in Hell forever and ever".

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

1. The question was off topic.
2. Those verses simply state that 'hell' is so ... they do not discuss how God "feels" about those he sends there.

Here is a verse about "How God feels":

• [Matthew 23:37] "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who have been sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
• [Luke 13:34] "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the [city] that kills the prophets and stones those who have been sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, just as a hen [gathers] her young under her wings, and you were unwilling!

Just to answer your question and be done with it: No.
(I gave an answer. Start a topic if you want a discussion.)

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Mark 7:25-28 For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet: [26] The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter. [27] But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs. [28] And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat off the children's crumbs.

the woman a Greek
She came and feel at His Feet
Needing help with her daughter which had an unclean spirit
Jesus said to her, Let the children be filled first, it is not holy to take the children’s bread and cast it to dogs.
She answered, “Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat off the children’s crumbs.”
…there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, [21] And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. (The dogs under the table eat off the children’s crumbs.) is it ugly what the Greek woman did?

 

[farouk]

I don’t think so. My mother does not believe. Her Being 91 ..I can’t preach at her now because too wordy long speeches she has no ability to comprehend. Now every day she tells she waits to die and cease to be. Others here would have a hard time convincing me that my mother doesn’t have Fruit. Even though she spits, growls, wont own a thing she has ever done wrong…because through her unbelief I’ve obtained mercy. My sister and I have learned and been taught: patience, long-suffering, forgiveness, grace and mercy. My mother is hard as grizzle but to me the Lord says through her unbelief, I have obtained what she cries as never having or knowing fully that she needs which is mercy. I think my mother has Fruit and doesn’t even know it. It is her daughters …the other day my mother was angry and said “I have no purpose”…I said “sure you do. You have given your daughters an opportunity to bear kindness and care and nurture of their mother.” I don’t think my mother liked her purpose, is us. She did that eye rolling thing and sound of uninterested she does as if that isn’t enough. I wanted to say “wait and see.” But there it is…I think that is her purpose “through unbelief” that her daughters obtain “mercy” which hopefully God has taught us to give…

@VictoryinJesus Keep praying.......

 

[VictoryinJesus]

@VictoryinJesus Keep praying.......

I’ve asked and asked @farouk. That is what I’m trying to share here: when does one move on pass asking, onto trusting in the receiving of what is asked for? That is what stands out to me about the passage of when Lazarus was dead. He corrected that Lazarus wasn’t sleeping but dead. Then Jesus wept telling them I’m glad I wasn’t here so that you might believe…did I not tell you that you would see the Glory of God? Then Jesus prays the Father “I know you have heard Me. But I ask for those standing by that they might hear, and believe.”

 

[farouk]

I’ve asked and asked @farouk. That is what I’m trying to share here: when does move on pass asking onto trusting the receiving of what is asked? That is what stands out to me about the passage of when Lazarus was dead. He corrected that Lazarus wasn’t sleeping but dead. Then Jesus wept telling them I’m glad I wasn’t here so that you might believe…did I not tell you that you would see the Glory of God?

@VictoryinJesus A searching passage there in John 11, right?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

@VictoryinJesus A searching passage there in John 11, right?

yes, that’s the one. But some of them said, Could not this man, who opened the eyes of him that was blind, have caused that this man also should not die?

 

[atpollard]

That is good.

If I were going to expand on "Probably." in response to "Does God love, or hate unbelievers?" I would add ...

"Both." [Just kidding, well not quite.]

It would depend on the specific "unbeliever". I mean we have "And you were dead in your offenses and sins, in which you previously walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them we too all previously lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the rest." [Ephesians 2:1-3] So did God hate the "sons of disobedience" that were "children of wrath"? [Maybe, probably.] What about "But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our wrongdoings, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come He might show the boundless riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus." [Ephesians 2:4-7] Weren't we also "Children of wrath" and didn't He love us with a great love? [Yes, we were and He did.]

So "BOTH".
For the unbelieving "son of disobedience" ("endured with great patience objects of wrath prepared for destruction" [Romans 9:22]) does God not have a right to hate those that have rejected His Son and the sacrifice made that might have saved them? For the the unbelieving "children of wrath" that are also "objects of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory" [Romans 9:23], does God not love us with a great love ... enough to save us (in spite of us)?

Does God love, or hate unbelievers?
"Yes, BOTH."

 

[Mantis]

I don't think he actually hates them, but scripture makes it quite clear that they're not his kind of people..-
"dogs, pigs" (Matthew 7:6)
"weeds" (Matthew 13:38 )
"brute beasts" (2 Peter 2:12)
"heathens" (Jeremiah 10:2)
"fools" (Psalms 94:8 )
"liars" (1 John 2:22-23)
"defiled, impure" (Titus 1:15)
"filthy" (Revelation 22:11)
"Evildoers...They return at evening: they make a noise like a dog, and go round about the city.." (Psalms 59:6)

Right Lassie?
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I was all of those things you mentioned when I met Jesus and I felt a love that is just unexplainable when I met him. But the thing was that I was tired of living a sinful life so I was repentant. I was actually looking for God and he walked right in! We are all sinners before we met him. I think he loves sinners but he is extremely angry at them as he should be. Once he started cleaning me up I realized how awful a sinner I was. People don’t even realize how much they offend God.

 

[MatthewG]

Why does John, describe a place for unbelievers and believers in Revelation?

 

[farouk]

I was all of those things you mentioned when I met Jesus and I felt a love that is just unexplainable when I met him. But the thing was that I was tired of living a sinful life so I was repentant. I was actually looking for God and he walked right in! We are all sinners before we met him. I think he loves sinners but he is extremely angry at them as he should be. Once he started cleaning me up I realized how awful a sinner I was. People don’t even realize how much they offend God.

Hi @Mantis

I'm sure that Psalm 40:1-3 strikes a personal chord, so to speak, among those who truly trust the Lord:

"I waited patiently for the Lord; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry.

2 He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings.

3 And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the Lord."

 

[Mantis]

Why does John, describe a place for unbelievers and believers in Revelation?

Do you mean when he separates the sheep and goats?

 

[shortangel]

God does not hate unbelievers, he wants everyone to come to know him & his Son, God doesn't turn away anybody, he might not agree with what some people are doing but he loves everybody

 

[Pearl]

From JOhn 3: 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

this says it all.

The wrath of God does not mean he hates unbelievers. Think about it. Have you ever been very angry with somebody you love?

 

[Dropship]

..but what confuses me
Is what we find admirable about him Becomes debated as not admirable..

Jesus was quite clear that it's fine to talk to unbelievers, BUT if they won't listen we should just walk away without wasting any more time on them; they had their chance..
Jesus said:-"If any place will not welcome you or listen to you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave, as a testimony against them" (Mark 6:11)
Paul said- "What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?..Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord, I will be a Father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters" (2 Corinthians 6:14-18)
Donald Trump said- "If you hang around with losers you become a loser"

 

[Dropship]

..I think God loves sinners but he is extremely angry at them as he should be..

Yes, they killed his son so he's got every right to run them through the shredder on judgement day, same as all other jesus-rejecting nonchristians and atheists..

 

[Earburner]

I get others might not agree since I didn’t expect they would. For me I can’t see God the Father wanting me to stand at my mothers funeral and stand there with no hope. I just don’t. Can you tell me why my Father would want his daughter to stand there with so much doubt and sorrow and regret, beating herself up with “I asked, Father. Did you not hear? What
was all that about a prayer of faith will save the sick?” So to me concerning what you quoted
John 3:18 would be towards my own lack of belief, not having believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Not my mothers. She hasn’t claim anything of the sort. It is me who has claimed to have believed the Father.
Really consider what we say in “I’m so sorry and saddened for our love ones who chose not to believe. What will become of them?” Why would the Father desire His children to have so much uncertainty? Reminds me of when the met Jesus and imposed “if you would have been here sooner. But our brother in now dead.” Consider that… “if you just would have been here sooner, Son of God.” I can’t assert enough how much I’m not buying that the Father, whom I’ve been told does indeed Love me…desires my standing by any love one’s grave with uncertainty in His Name, head hung in “wow. I failed to convince. Now that which I loved burns in hell, but oh well it was their choice.”

honestly, even though it will be expected I grieve and am heavy when my mother passes…God has given me a hope. Because I truly don’t think the Father wants his children filled with doubt and uncertainty…same with my brother who has already passed a couple years ago. I’ve never met someone so bitter. But I once saw that bitterness crack and him shake and sob like a small child. I will say it again…to me those who claim to know the Fathers love to me the “do not doubt” is theirs not those who do doubt.

I'll be blunt! God doesn't give to us what WE want.