The beliefs of the early Chiliasts were the antithesis of modern Premil

[Truther]

Never and nowhere in Scripture are enemies of the gospel identified as the elect(ion).

The elect(ion) are solely and exclusively believers in Christ, His Church.

Never and nowhere in Scripture are enemies of the gospel identified as the elect(ion).

The elect(ion) are solely and exclusively believers in Christ, His Church.

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes...but as touching the election, they are beloved

 

[Truther]

Is this your covenant or their covenant?

 

[Truther]

How many of you Christians teach that God made a covenant with you?

 

[Truther]

Fact is, God made a covenant with the fathers of Israel concerning their descendants and the gentiles are only admitted partially into it in a dark glass way.

 

[covenantee]

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes...but as touching the election, they are beloved

Colossians 3:12
Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

1 Thessalonians 1:4
Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

 

[Truther]

Colossians 3:12
Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

1 Thessalonians 1:4
Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

Now you are starting to see it...

The election is future Israel and the church is included in it now.

They are the election and we are too.

 

[Truther]

Don't steal God's election.

Don't be a Democrat.

 

[Truther]

How many of you Christians teach that God made a covenant with you?

Well?

 

[WPM]

No one.

When we see passages that say "angel of the LORD, it is called a Christophany, an appearance of God in the form of a man or angel. The pre-incarnate Christ appeared many times in the Old Testament. How do we known it is not just an angel? Well for instance in Gen. 16:13, Hagar says, "You are the God who sees me." It was God appearing in physical form. GOD told her He would increase her descendants - angels can't do that. He also comforts her. Other passages you quoted are more examples: Gen. 18:1-3;
Gen. 32:24; Ex. 3:5 (receiving worship), Ex. 23:21 ( forgiving sin); Judges 6:11-14, 13:22.
Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego survived a firey furnace with who do you think? Outside they saw a fourth man with them. They did not know what they saw. It was God in the form of a man. Angels come in the form of a man as well. Man could only conceive that it was an angel, He looked like one, but again, angels are not worshipped, they cannot create an increase of one's descendants, they cannot forgive sins.
Remember the Prince and the Pauper? Folks did not know they were in the presence of a Prince, because he came down below their level. Jacob was wrestling with someone who he thought was a man or an angel but it was the LORD, Whom he received a blessing from.

So are you going to apologize and withdraw your false charge against me?

No Catholic or Prostestant would identify this angel as Jesus. Angel is not symbolic for Jesus. Jesus is not an angel. He created angels. This view puts you in the category of a Non-Trinitarian. So you have more problems then just being an Amillennialist. No symbolism here! error

 

[covenantee]

Fact is, God made a covenant with the fathers of Israel concerning their descendants and the gentiles are only admitted partially into it in a dark glass way.

Absolute nonsense.

2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

 

[WPM]

The election were the beloved enemies of the church...

I never heard such nonsense in my life! The election are the elect. Hello!

I am beginning the think Premils have lost it.

 

[Truther]

Absolute nonsense.

2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

No, this is todays church...


9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away....

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

 

[Truther]

I never heard such nonsense in my life! The election are the elect. Hello!

I am beginning the think Premils have lost it.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved...


Read your Bible, preterist.

 

[Truther]

That's the problem with replacement theology teachers,...they blank out per Rom 11.

 

[Dropship]

How many of you Christians teach that God made a covenant with you?

God put the same deal on the table for ALL humans regardless of whether they're Christians or not, namely "Accept Jesus or go up the spout"..:)

 

[Truther]

God put the same deal on the table for ALL humans regardless of whether they're Christians or not, namely "Accept Jesus or go up the spout"..:)

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Did God make a covenant with you similar to what He made to the fathers of Israel?

Where did that happen?

With your gentile fathers back in history maybe?

 

[jeffweeder]

Well?

Gal 3
6 Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness, [as conformity to God’s will and purpose—so it is with you also]. 7 So understand that it is the people who live by faith [with confidence in the power and goodness of God] who are [the true] sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, proclaimed the good news [of the Savior] to Abraham in advance [with this promise], saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.”

 

[Truther]

Gal 3
6 Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness, [as conformity to God’s will and purpose—so it is with you also]. 7 So understand that it is the people who live by faith [with confidence in the power and goodness of God] who are [the true] sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, proclaimed the good news [of the Savior] to Abraham in advance [with this promise], saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.”

Is this God's covenant with the gentiles?

 

[Truther]

Or, did God INCLUDE us in their future fulfilled covenant?

 

[jeffweeder]

Is this God's covenant with the gentiles?

keep reading the chapter.

Now the promises [in the covenants] were decreed to Abraham and to his seed. God does not say, “And to seeds (descendants, heirs),” as if [referring] to many [persons], but as to one, “And to your Seed,” who is [none other than] Christ.