The beliefs of the early Chiliasts were the antithesis of modern Premil

[Truther]

Preterists, who is the highlighted in this inclusion?....

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Who is, "to us"?

 

[covenantee]

Preterists, who is the highlighted in this inclusion?....

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Who is, "to us"?

Who was the book of Hebrews written to?

Do you need a hint?

 

[jeffweeder]

Who was the book of Hebrews written to?

hmmm, he is usually quick to answer. I wonder if he will

 

[covenantee]

hmmm, he is usually quick to answer. I wonder if he will

He often seems to be away for some hours around this time, but I expect him back.

 

[jeffweeder]

Its 10:30 pm or so over there so maybe .
Peace at last

 

[covenantee]

Its 10:30 pm or so over there so maybe .
Peace at last

Amen.

 

[Truther]

Who was the book of Hebrews written to?

Do you need a hint?

Christians.

 

[covenantee]

Christians.

Hebrew Christians.

You did need a hint.

 

[No Pre-TB]

Hebrew Christians.

No such thing. No difference between Jew, Gentile, Greek..all one in Christ = Christian. Saying Hebrew Christian is putting back up the wall that was broken down. We are grafted into the olive tree that already stood, not making 2 trees: 1 Hebrew and 1 formerly Gentile.

 

[covenantee]

No such thing. No difference between Jew, Gentile, Greek..all one in Christ = Christian. Saying Hebrew Christian is putting back up the wall that was broken down. We are grafted into the olive tree that already stood, not making 2 trees: 1 Hebrew and 1 formerly Gentile.

I completely agree.

But the early NT church still had to deal with issues between Jews and Gentiles, wherein e.g. the former were continuing to attempt to retain and perpetuate old covenant trappings, and impose them upon the latter. Hebrews was written to "take Jews out to the woodshed" and give them a New Covenant thrashing.

This it very effectively did.

 

[jeffweeder]

I completely agree.

But the early NT church still had to deal with issues between Jews and Gentiles, wherein e.g. the former were continuing to attempt to retain and perpetuate old covenant trappings, and impose them upon the latter. Hebrews was written to "take Jews out to the woodshed" and give them a New Covenant thrashing.

This it very effectively did.

Well said.
Reminds me of the Jerusalem council. Acts 15

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Corroborated empirically by the Jewish community itself.

Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places
Jewish-Roots Arabs in Israel
Tracing the lost tribes to Jewish communities in Africa
Nigeria's Igbo Jews: 'Lost tribe' of Israel? - CNN
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Not one of these articles confimrs or even advances your supposition that everyone is Jewish. They do support there are more people of physical Jewish ancestry that originally thought, but not one dares goes off your cliff and says everyone is Jewish. NOt even close. They add millions, but not billions.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The most recent common ancestor of every European today (except for recent immigrants to the Continent) was someone who lived in Europe in the surprisingly recent past—only about 600 years ago. In other words, all Europeans alive today have among their ancestors the same man or woman who lived around 1400. Before that date, according to Chang’s model, the number of ancestors common to all Europeans today increased, until, about a thousand years ago, a peculiar situation prevailed: 20 percent of the adult Europeans alive in 1000 would turn out to be the ancestors of no one living today (that is, they had no children or all their descendants eventually died childless); each of the remaining 80 percent would turn out to be a direct ancestor of every European living today.

This is where you can empirically see that math and reality can diverge drastically! There were Europeans in Europe long before this mythical person who lived 622 years ago.

I am sure the math is correct and the calculation and algorithms were performed error free, but they plugged in holes with assumptions and possibilities to come to their answer and history shows this research is not worth the paper it is written on. for this to be true, Europe would had to have been wiped out with the exception of this one person in 1400AD and we know that did not happen.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

look at the ancestry of Europe. They took advantage of a compilation of information about 2257 people from across the continent. Scientists had examined half a million sites in each person’s DNA, creating a distinctive list of genetic markers for each of them.

You can use this kind of genetic information to make some genealogical inferences, but you have to know what you’re dealing with. Your DNA is not a carbon copy of your parents’. Each time they made eggs or sperm, they shuffled the two copies of each of their chromosomes and put one in the cell. Just as a new deck gets more scrambled the more times you shuffle it, chromosomes get more shuffled from one generation to the next.

This means that if you compare two people’s DNA, you will find some chunks that are identical in sequence. The more closely related people are, the bigger the chunks you’ll find. This diagram shows how two first cousins share a piece of DNA that’s identical by descent (IBD for short).

2257 people out of over 300,000,000?? really?? Are you gullible enough that a sample less than .00025% of a population is going to give you the answer they assumed? And yes if you read the article carefully, words like inferences, assumption appear in it.

These are all old articles that have been debunked or known to be true but do not , I REPEAT DO NOT show that everybody on the plaanet is a physical descendnat of Abraham, I saac and Jacob- or an Israelite!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I'm thinking like dispensationalists think. They quote Zechariah 12:10 incessantly.

Judas was one of "they".

So dispensationalists interpret Zechariah 12:10 allegorically??

Heaven forbid!!

Dispens of course do interpret the verse very allegorically, as they claim that it refers to end-time Jews, whereas in reality those who literally pierced Christ were the historical Romans.

Well no you are not thinking like a dispensationalist thinks.

No we do not interpret Zech. 12:10 at all! We accept it as written in context and coupled with all other verses that address the issue.

If you did you would know it is talking about a certain tiume that is yet to happen and is not all inclusive as you falsely accuse brethren of thinking.

Dispens of course do interpret the verse very allegorically, as they claim that it refers to end-time Jews, whereas in reality those who literally pierced Christ were the historical Romans.

In your embittered heart against dispensationalists, you love to make up lies about your fellow brethren ( or was it you that said dispensationalists are demonic?)

This just shows you have so little understanding of grammar, context and word usage at all. Given the enormous amount of verses in Scripture, which you declared you have no time to read, people learn it is talking about the Jewish people(for they are the ones who conspired to have Jesus killed) and not the actual physical blood lines (oh wait according to you Pilate was a Jew as well!).

 

[covenantee]

Not one of these articles confimrs or even advances your supposition that everyone is Jewish. They do support there are more people of physical Jewish ancestry that originally thought, but not one dares goes off your cliff and says everyone is Jewish. NOt even close. They add millions, but not billions.

Awaiting your link to credible scientific disproof.

Not your deluded opinions.

 

[covenantee]

This is where you can empirically see that math and reality can diverge drastically! There were Europeans in Europe long before this mythical person who lived 622 years ago.

I am sure the math is correct and the calculation and algorithms were performed error free, but they plugged in holes with assumptions and possibilities to come to their answer and history shows this research is not worth the paper it is written on. for this to be true, Europe would had to have been wiped out with the exception of this one person in 1400AD and we know that did not happen.

Awaiting your link to credible scientific disproof.

Not your deluded opinions.

 

[covenantee]

2257 people out of over 300,000,000?? really?? Are you gullible enough that a sample less than .00025% of a population is going to give you the answer they assumed? And yes if you read the article carefully, words like inferences, assumption appear in it.

These are all old articles that have been debunked or known to be true but do not , I REPEAT DO NOT show that everybody on the plaanet is a physical descendnat of Abraham, I saac and Jacob- or an Israelite!

Provide your credentials as an expert in sampling science.

Awaiting your link to credible scientific disproof.

Not your deluded opinions.

 

[covenantee]

Well no you are not thinking like a dispensationalist thinks.

No we do not interpret Zech. 12:10 at all! We accept it as written in context and coupled with all other verses that address the issue.

If you did you would know it is talking about a certain tiume that is yet to happen and is not all inclusive as you falsely accuse brethren of thinking.



In your embittered heart against dispensationalists, you love to make up lies about your fellow brethren ( or was it you that said dispensationalists are demonic?)

This just shows you have so little understanding of grammar, context and word usage at all. Given the enormous amount of verses in Scripture, which you declared you have no time to read, people learn it is talking about the Jewish people(for they are the ones who conspired to have Jesus killed) and not the actual physical blood lines (oh wait according to you Pilate was a Jew as well!).

Thanks for the confirmation of everything that I said.

The dispen interpretation is a thoroughly allegorical interpretation.

And Judas will be in that allegorical crowd.

And you'll be meeting and greeting Judas in heaven.

If you can explain to Jesus how he got there.

Thanks for the guffaws.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Awaiting your link to credible scientific disproof.

Not your deluded opinions.

As oppossed to you r delsusion conclusions?

Not one of those articles says every one is a Jew.

So when you give me material that backs up your claim- your childish ad-hominems are music to my ears!