Outer darkness

[stunnedbygrace]

Marks, I think maybe the 10 virgins, although it does not specifically say so, may also be cast into the outer darkness. I wouldn’t argue about it but…I do think I see some sort of…correlation between running out of oil and not being allowed in the wedding and being improperly dressed/trimmed invitees to the wedding and not being allowed in.

 

[marks]

I think maybe the 10 virgins, although it does not specifically say so, may also be cast into the outer darkness.

Being a parable, I think Jesus was making a particular point, not concerning what happened to the 5 virgins who ran out of oil.

Personally, I think this parable is the most frequently misunderstood as people seek to interpret all the details in the story. I don't think we can arrive at proper doctrine by trying to fill in the blanks as we see it in parables.

Much love!

 

[Space_Karen]

So why do we say hell and outer darkness are the same thing

Verses as per the following.

Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.

-John 3:20

 

[ScottA]

Yes, the outer darkness again. I revisit it a few times a year.

A lemon is yellow and a banana is yellow. We don’t say, therefore bananas and lemons are the same thing.

I need to put quarters in at a car wash and I need to put quarters in bubblegum machines. I don’t say, therefore car washes and bubblegum machines are the same thing and are the same place.

I cry when a baby is born and I cry when a baby dies. Because I cry at both does not mean birth and death are the same thing.

So why do we say hell and outer darkness are the same thing and same place just because people will cry and be in distress at going to both places?

If the kingdom of God is within you, if you look out from yourself--what do you see, outer space?

No, but outer darkness.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Good morning cady.
So you were born eternal from your mothers womb yet also needing to be born of the Holy Spirit to see eternal life? Those who were born of the two who surely died were born eternal beings? That makes bringing forth of your own kind not make any sort of sense to me. It would be the dead bringing forth the living…

I'm not sure I understand how you got that from my post.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Being a parable, I think Jesus was making a particular point, not concerning what happened to the 5 virgins who ran out of oil.

Personally, I think this parable is the most frequently misunderstood as people seek to interpret all the details in the story. I don't think we can arrive at proper doctrine by trying to fill in the blanks as we see it in parables.

Much love!

Oh…I don’t know what you think it means, so…all I know is that you think it’s greatly misunderstood, not what you think it means.
But I disagree, in general. I think…since the kingdom of heaven is spiritual, the kingdom of heaven is inside me, and I am in the temporal world, the parables should be pored over and meditated on and do tie in with the rest of scripture and give me some solid earthly things to look at and ponder as to what this spiritual kingdom is “like.” I actually NEED a comparison of what something is ”like” ,if I can’t see the thing with my eyes, in order to begin to grasp and understand it.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

If the kingdom of God is within you, if you look out from yourself--what do you see, outer space?

No, but outer darkness.

So you think the temporal world, trees, sky, grass, since it’s not inside of me, is outer darkness…? Sorry, I never can grasp what you say.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Have to go for a bit. Good conversation, thanks everyone.

 

[ScottA]

So you think the temporal world, trees, sky, grass, since it’s not inside of me, is outer darkness…? Sorry, I never can grasp what you say.

Ask yourself then (leaving me out of it if it helps):

Did God cast mankind into the world, or out of the garden? What then is the nature of this world--inward, or outward? And comparatively, by which did Jesus liken the kingdom of God?

 

[Webers_Home]

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It's commonly proposed that the five unwise girls were stupid for not
bringing along enough oil for their light sources. That may be true, but I
rather feel that their stupidity was scarcely related to the oil and mostly
related to abandoning their posts.

Had they stuck to their guns (so to speak) they could've joined the
procession along with everyone else. They may have endured a measure of
chagrin for letting their light sources go out, but at least they wouldn't miss
the party.

In other words; they let something relatively trivial distract their attention
from something far more important; sort of like Nero concerning himself
with trifles while Rome is on fire all 'round the city.

• Matt 25:10-12 . . While they were on their way to buy the oil, the
bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the
wedding banquet. And the door was shut. Later the others also came. Sir!
Sir! --they said-- Open the door for us! But he replied: I tell you the truth, I
don't know you.

I suspect the bridegroom was unfamiliar with all ten of those girls: even the
five who held their ground. The thing is; while the entrance was open, the
general public was welcome to come on in and join the celebration, but once
the door was shut and festivities commenced, late arrivals were permitted
inside only if they were the bridegroom's friends; which emphasizes that the
invitation, though generous, offered a narrow window of opportunity which if
missed, was lost forever.
_

 

[marks]

Oh…I don’t know what you think it means, so…all I know is that you think it’s greatly misunderstood, not what you think it means.
But I disagree, in general. I think…since the kingdom of heaven is spiritual, the kingdom of heaven is inside me, and I am in the temporal world, the parables should be pored over and meditated on and do tie in with the rest of scripture and give me some solid earthly things to look at and ponder as to what this spiritual kingdom is “like.” I actually NEED a comparison of what something is ”like” ,if I can’t see the thing with my eyes, in order to begin to grasp and understand it.

The thing I want to express is that I don't believe in "filling in the blanks" as it were in parables. Each will do so according to their preference, and each will find that it affirms their view. It's making arguments from silence. What happened to those 5 virgins who were shut out from the feast? Jesus didn't say. It wasn't part of His parable. We shouldn't try to change that. IMO.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

Being a parable, I think Jesus was making a particular point, not concerning what happened to the 5 virgins who ran out of oil.

Personally, I think this parable is the most frequently misunderstood as people seek to interpret all the details in the story. I don't think we can arrive at proper doctrine by trying to fill in the blanks as we see it in parables.

Much love!

He did make a point . notice it says FIVE WERE WISE and FIVE FOOLISH .
Five followed the lamb , the other five followed something else . perhaps another jesus .
The point is , YA BETTER BE READY , TRUST IN and FOLLOW CHRIST
cause on the day of the LORD its gonna be too late . ONCE that door is shut , ITS SHUT .
Regardless of what francis and scores of others try and say , THERE TRULY ONLY IS ONE WAY TO GOD
ONE NAME WHEREBY WE CAN be saved . JESUS CHRIST . And any other gospel
that teaches one does not have to beleive , WELL IT AINT GOOD NEWS at all . IT AINT NO GOSPEL .
Its a HELLSPELL that ends in the lake of fire . We better make sure its JESUS we been following
and not men . cause as you already know , antoher jesus , another gospel , CANNOT save .
Another jesus , another gospel , a false hope , A LIE , cometh from satan
and HE is already destined to the lake of fire , THUS let us not be followers of him or his men or any who teach
contrary to the one true gospel and teachings of the LORD and apostels given us in that bible .
Now lift those hands , CAUSE THE LORD IS WITH THE LAMBS . AND THAT GIVES ME GREAT PEACE .

 

[marks]

He did make a point . notice it says FIVE WERE WISE and FIVE FOOLISH .
Five followed the lamb , the other five followed something else . perhaps another jesus .
The point is , YA BETTER BE READY , TRUST IN and FOLLOW CHRIST
cause on the day of the LORD its gonna be too late . ONCE that door is shut , ITS SHUT .

Amen!

Much love!

 

[marks]

Oh…I don’t know what you think it means, so…all I know is that you think it’s greatly misunderstood, not what you think it means.
But I disagree, in general. I think…since the kingdom of heaven is spiritual, the kingdom of heaven is inside me, and I am in the temporal world, the parables should be pored over and meditated on and do tie in with the rest of scripture and give me some solid earthly things to look at and ponder as to what this spiritual kingdom is “like.” I actually NEED a comparison of what something is ”like” ,if I can’t see the thing with my eyes, in order to begin to grasp and understand it.

You don't have time to get ready once the bridegroom arrives.

But if you don't stay with what Jesus actually says in the parables, you'll be making your own comparisons and ascribing them to God.

Example, Jesus didn't define the lamp oil to be anything other than fuel for the lamp. We know oil is used both literally and symbolically in the Bible, but is it symbolic here? And if so, symbolic of what?

Without clear definition in the Scripture, some call the oil this, some call it that, each come to different conclusions, and I've personally heard the greatest number of conflicting interpretations of this particular parable, as people "fill in the blanks". Why 5? 10 total? What does "slept" refer to? They were dead? Or sleeping? In Error? Or sleeping? Complacent? Or asleep? Do you see what I'm saying?

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

The thing I want to express is that I don't believe in "filling in the blanks" as it were in parables. Each will do so according to their preference, and each will find that it affirms their view. It's making arguments from silence. What happened to those 5 virgins who were shut out from the feast? Jesus didn't say. It wasn't part of His parable. We shouldn't try to change that. IMO.

Much love!

Okay. But I can’t with you again now. I know how it ends. You pm because your feelings get hurt at some point and you talk about your anger and hurt feelings and want to have a conversation which you then run away from right after speaking your mind and your accusations about how awful I have treated you. Don’t care to repeat your game, sorry. Love ya but I can’t again. I’m not a good person for you to have too much conversation with. I grew up with touchy feelings and passive aggression and narcissism and always being told how wrong my thoughts are and how wrong the words I choose are and how wrong even my wonderings or musings are and I’ve left it for good. So…yeah, I think you’ll agree that too much conversation between us doesn’t usually go well for long. By all means, give your thoughts on the parable if you have any but my experience is that you usually don’t have any thoughts about a parable other than that I’m wrong about it. Pfft! Lol.

 

[marks]

Wow! OK. No worries, no responses needed.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You don't have time to get ready once the bridegroom arrives.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I'm not sure I understand how you got that from my post.

Hmm…okay…maybe I made an assumption on…something…? Lol. It’s been known to happen.

 

[marks]

I grew up with touchy feelings

Apparently so.

I'm sorry it doesn't work out better between us. I'm reminded of Episcopos, that any time I'd call him on inappropriate posts, he'd always say I'm all angry about being insulted and all that nonsense. Now here's the same nonsense, but without the previous bad behavior. What gives?

But again, no response is required. I just feel like you've bought into his defensiveness, even to the point of making up PM content. Yes, making it up. I've never PM'd what you've just said. Not once.

We all reveal ourselves in what we say.

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Apparently so.

I'm sorry it doesn't work out better between us. I'm reminded of Episcopos, that any time I'd call him on inappropriate posts, he'd always say I'm all angry about being insulted and all that nonsense. Now here's the same nonsense, but without the previous bad behavior. What gives?

But again, no response is required. I just feel like you've bought into his defensiveness, even to the point of making up PM content. Yes, making it up. I've never PM'd what you've just said. Not once.

We all reveal ourselves in what we say.

Much love!

See, again, it’s not good for us to converse too much. I’m not going to get into this again with you. Im not going to give you the argument you want and I’m certainly not going to spend time on copying the offended pm’s to here. And I’m certainly not going to have another discussion with you about how I have another parable all wrong even though you have no thoughts or insights on what it means. You aren’t going to get the supply you want from me. So…go ahead and have your last word, but you’ll be having it alone. I just don’t do this nonsense any more. It doesn’t even have any effect on me anymore. I just have no desire for that kind of conversation. It’s useless to me.