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@mailmandan and @Behold and @Ronald Nolette (did I miss anyone?) they can be highminded! They don’t have to stand fast in the faith!

Faith given to God has a end result.

A.) Born again.

That is our STANDING "in Christ".

God accepted our Faith.......one time.........and we were "Justified by Faith", because our "faith is counted as Righteousness".

"its counted".

= Its in the bank.
The Transaction is Completed, = BORN AGAIN... "Made Righteous".
God , through the Cross of Christ, has caused us by "new birth".... to become His Spiritual Sons. ("God is A Spirit"), and what God completed will last as long as God exists.

That is "eternal Life".

Its not temporary, Michiah-Imla.
Eternal Life is JESUS HIMSELF, and he lives in the born again, having become joined to them = Spiritual Union.
That can never end.
 
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@mailmandan and @Behold and @Ronald Nolette (did I miss anyone?) they can be highminded! They don’t have to stand fast in the faith!

They might as well cross out these scriptures:

Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong.” (1 Corinthians 16:13)

“…thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.” (Romans 11:20-21)
Another straw man argument. So typical. Keep on trolling. You obviously have nothing better to do.
 

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also, all believers are "seated in heavenly places in Christ"...."One with God".
Thats the "New Creation"..(not the body)..... as Thats one of the eternal effects of being born again.
Eph 2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins
Eph 2:2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—
Eph 2:3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
Eph 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
Eph 2:6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Eph 2:7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.


For we are His workmanship
A reason why no man should glory. If we are God's workmanship, our salvation cannot be of ourselves. His is emphatic. His workmanship are we.

Created (κτισθέντες)

See on Joh_1:3. The verb originally means to make habitable, to people. Hence to found. God is called κτίστης creator, 1Pe_4:19, and ὁ κτίσας he that created, Rom_1:25. Compare Rev_4:11. Κτίσις is used of the whole sum of created things, Mar_10:6; Rom_8:22.
Afore prepared (προητοίμασεν)
Rev, more correctly, prepared. Made ready beforehand. God prearranged a sphere of moral action for us to walk in. Not only are works the necessary outcome of faith, but the character and direction of the works are made ready by God.
That we should walk

In order that; to the end that.
Vincent
Would you classify that as works?
Have i asked you any questions, other then...."why only the endless cut and paste".
Ive asked you that a few times.
Other questions?.......hummm..

So, read this with your NT turned to "Paul's Epistles".
Like I have said, you are not my rabbi, you seem to be sitting on a holy cloud, no earthly good, and again and again avoiding our "part" of the Covenant, obedience.


Php 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling,

...see here, perseverance, endurance...see the Morphologies on this is binding upon US to work....out OUR salvation....no need for you, rabbi, to work on my salvation. get that?

Php 2:13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

...this is God's "part" if I may, in the Covenant relationship, to work, to will, for His good pleasure, not that difficult to comprehend, our responsibilities, God to do what He does best.


Php 2:14 Do all things without grumbling or disputing,
Php 2:15 that you may be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and twisted generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world,
Php 2:16 holding fast to the word of life, so that in the day of Christ I may be proud that I did not run in vain or labor in vain.

Reminds me of Matt 25.


Are you doing something in the basileia ton Theou?
Or are you going to say, Oh, this is not applicable for us "Christians"
Jas 1:19 Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger;
Jas 1:20 for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God.
Jas 1:21 Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
Jas 1:23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror.
Jas 1:24 For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like.
Jas 1:25 But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.
Jas 1:26 If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.
Jas 1:27 Religion that is pure and undefiled before God the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

Jas 2:14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food,
Jas 2:16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that?
Jas 2:17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
Jas 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!
Jas 2:20 Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar?
Jas 2:22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works;
Jas 2:23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God.
Jas 2:24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Jas 2:25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?
Jas 2:26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.

You should preach a sermon on this, in which you are in denial of.
J.
 

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Eternal Life is JESUS HIMSELF, and he lives in the born again, having become joined to them = Spiritual Union.
That can never end.

“…if we deny him, he also will deny us:” (2 Timothy 2:12)

And in your works you can deny Him!

“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.” (Titus 1:16)
 

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Listen, you are that typical type who actually believes that if you post long, redundant, confused posts, that just because of sheer volume, this must make it all true.
Well, guess again, before you do it again.
Eyes they have, but they can't see
Ears they have, but they can't hear
You don't know "my type" but I have a good handle on "your type"
Mat 13:14 Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says: “‘“You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive.”
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.’

heart: Psa_119:70
ears: Zec_7:11; Joh_8:43-44; Act_7:57; 2Ti_4:4; Heb_5:11
their eyes: Isa_29:10-12, Isa_44:20; 2Th_2:10-11
and should be: Act_3:19; 2Ti_2:25-26; Heb_6:4-6
and I: Isa_57:18; Jer_3:22, Jer_17:14, Jer_33:6; Hos_14:4; Mal_4:2; Mar_4:12; Rev_22:2
 
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You should preach a sermon on this, in which you are in denial of.
J.

Food for thought for you..

If you , by works, can earn righteousness and God's eternal acceptance, then was God stupid to send Christ to the Nails for you, if you could do it for yourself?

Here is another thought.

Before you are saved....
You can try to live like Christ, and if you die, not saved, you go to hell...even tho you lived a good clean moral life., and were water baptized.

Whereas,

If you are not a good person, but you are born again, and later you are still not a good person and die, you are already "one with God"., no matter how you behaved after you were saved.
Why?
Its because. "while we were YET SINNERS, Christ died for us"......not after we stopped sinning.

and.

""""But to him that does no works..., but believeth on him that justifieth the UNGODLY, his faith is counted for righteousness.""

This means., that..

If God saves you as ungodly and yet a sinner, then after you are saved, you don't have to worry about losing your salvation, as God just gave it to you when you were "yet a sinner" and "ungodly".
 

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If you are not a good person, but you are born again, and later you are still not a good person and die, you are already "one with God"., no matter how you behaved after you were saved.
Any scripture references for this?

“If I am not for myself, who will be for me? But if I am only for myself, who am I? If not now, when?”
― Pirkei Avot
 

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Any scripture references for this?

“If I am not for myself, who will be for me? But if I am only for myself, who am I? If not now, when?”
― Pirkei Avot

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God.

But to the one who does not work [that is, the one who does not try to earn his salvation by doing good], but believes and completely trusts in God who justifies the ungodly, his faith in Christ is credited to him as righteousness (eternal right standing with God).


Also.

Religion, is man's self effort to try to be like God, or reach God, or to be accepted by God, = by self effort.
If they do this as a Christian, they are a heretic, a Legalist, and have "fallen from Grace".

CHRISTianity, is God offering His Son so that you can become God's Son.
No works required.
No works accepted.
You can't compete with the Cross.....so, give that self righteousness up and God will smile on you......reader.
 

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Hey, @Ronald Nolette

WHAT FAITH ARE WE STANDING ON?

“…thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.” (Romans 11:20-21)

The “thou” here are the GENTILES!

What faith are the GENTILES here standing on?

THIS ONE!

“…faith of Jesus Christ…” (Romans 3:22)

There’s only ONE faith in scripture!

“One Lord, one faith, one baptism,” (Ephesians 4:5)
Correct, so Jews as a people were cut off, and gentiles as a people could be cut off as well. Not individuals but ethnos.
 
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Foor for thought for you..

If you , by works, can earn righteousness and God acceptance, then was God stupid to send Christ to the Nails for you, if you could do it for yourself?
Nothing here that I don't know already, to YHVH and our great God and Savior Christ Jesus be the highest eulogy
Here is another thought.

Before you are saved....
You can try to live like Christ, and if you die, not saved, you go to hell...even tho you live a good clean moral life.
Fully aware of this, but you are veering off the passage in James and Matt 25.
Whereas,

If you are not a good person, but you are born again, and later you are still not a good person and die, you are already "one with God"., no matter how you behaved after you were saved.
Again, any scripture references for this statement? You are typing a lot of words, but rarely scripture quotations.
 

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When im dealing with the Godly, i keep it the same.

If im dealing with a Legalist, who is obsessed with OSAS, and has no idea what the Blood Atonement is, and is only on a forum to cause Chaos, and ruin real believer's faith, then , if they come to my Thread to do it, .. its going to be interesting for them.

God is Love and Jesus is God manifested in the flesh, and He told these types..."you are of the Devil" and occasionally used a whip to get ther attention.
So, there is "righteous indignation".
Even Paul said of the malicious Greeks that they were "dogs".

So, i do love these deceived people, but, that love is not going to feel good on them.
I do the same sometime. I think though we should attack the issue instead of the person. We must call them out for falsehoods and venom, but we must always strive to speak the truth in love.
 
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CHRISTianity, is God offering His Son so that you can become God's Son.
No works required.
No works accepted.
Eph 2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins
Eph 2:2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—
Eph 2:3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
Eph 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
Eph 2:6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Eph 2:7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

In full agreement on this particular post, what is your exegesis on Eph 2.10?