Coincidences? Or Time to WATCH be READY for the Day and Hour Is Near

[David in NJ]

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Great. Now about those crowns in Revelation 4........................................

Crowns in Heaven does not equate Church in Heaven - don't be foolish here........again telling God what He can and cannot do.........

Where do His kings and priests go when they die............Heaven

What are the kings and priests in HEAVEN waiting for = His Return with THEM = Revelation 5:8-10 and 1 Thessalonians

“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall(future) reign on the earth.”

so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father
at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints. - 3:13

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who died in Jesus. - 4:13

 

[David in NJ]

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Great. Now about those crowns in Revelation 4........................................

Part 2 from Post #181

1 Peter 2:1-10 and Revelation 1:6 confirm His kings and priests are on earth, now/today waiting for His Return/the Second Coming.

Revelation chapter 5 and Forward shows us the spirits of "kings and priests" in Heaven that are also waiting for His Second Coming.

Revelation chapter 6 and forward shows us there are the spirits of Saints in Heaven and there are Saints still on earth, with the Gospel,
waiting for His Second Coming.

Now let us look at chapter 4 for the correct understanding.

Revelation chapter 4
After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven.
And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”

Notice that in Revelation the Door that is Open in Heaven does not close.............

JESUS tells us what this 'Door' is and why it is Open in Heaven and exactly when this same 'Door' closes.

John chapter 10
Jesus says: "he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep"
Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.

Revelation 3:7-8
These things says He who is holy, He who is true, “He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens”:
“I know your works. See, I have set before you an open door, and no one can shut it; for you have a little strength, have kept My word, and have not denied My name.

SEE = JESUS is the Open Door = JESUS is the Gospel = the Gospel is the Open Door

Now the question remains - When does the Door shut? = Part 3

PART 3 is found in Post #187

 

[ewq1938]

Did Adam and Eve die the very day they ate the fruit?

Yes.

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus comes at the 6th seal which will be shown below in the Word of God.

No, he doesn't. He just arrived in heaven to open the seals, all of them including the last one. When finished with the seals, he still remains in heaven. You need to learn to identify prophecy of events VS. the actual events happening. Jesus described the second coming on the Mt of Olives but he DID NOT commence the second coming just because he described it. This same thing happens with the 6th seal. It does not happen when the seal is opened. Rev cannot be understood until this is understood.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes.

Genesis 5:1-5
"This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters.
So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and(then) he died.

So we see Adam lived 930 Years and did not physically die until then.

Therefore we must asses, weigh and determine the following:

a.) Did God lie? for HE said "in the day you eat thereof you will die"
b.) Did something else die, inside Adam's physical body, whereby he continued to live for 930 actual years: 365 x 930 = 339,450 days (approx).

 

[ewq1938]

So we see Adam lived 930 Years and did not physically die until then.

Your question was did they die, not did they physically die.

 

[David in NJ]

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Great. Now about those crowns in Revelation 4........................................

PART 3 = this is the continuance beginning with Post #181 and Part 2 Post #182

Part 2 (Post 182) We found out that JESUS is the Open Door

Now we find out = When does the DOOR Shut?

JESUS told us exactly when HE shuts the DOOR = Luke 13:22-30 and Matthew 25:1-13 and Matthew 24:14

And He went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem.
Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”

And He said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God. And indeed there are last who will be first, and there are first who will be last.”


Matthew 25:1-13
Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.

“And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!’
Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding;
and the door was shut.

“Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world (Open Door) as a witness to all the nations,
and then the end will come (Door is Shut).

The GOSPEL is the OPEN DOOR of Salvation for ALL nations - this Open Door is shut by the LORD upon His Second Coming.


The MASTER of the House of God is Christ = Hebrews 3:4
For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God. And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward,
but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

 

[David in NJ]

Your question was did they die, not did they physically die.

God only said "in the day you eat thereof you will die"

Notice that God only spoke of immediate death = "in the day you eat thereof"

 

[ewq1938]

God only said "in the day you eat thereof you will die"

Notice that God only spoke of immediate death = "in the day you eat thereof"

Yes, and they did die that very same day. The word for "die" in Hebrew is used twice in the verse. It's called the infinitive absolute verb pairing. It's complex but a great subject to research to understand what the dual verbs mean in Hebrew.

 

[David in NJ]

Part 2 from Post #181

1 Peter 2:1-10 and Revelation 1:6 confirm His kings and priests are on earth, now/today waiting for His Return/the Second Coming.

Revelation chapter 5 and Forward shows us the spirits of "kings and priests" in Heaven that are also waiting for His Second Coming.

Revelation chapter 6 and forward shows us there are the spirits of Saints in Heaven and there are Saints still on earth, with the Gospel,
waiting for His Second Coming.

Now let us look at chapter 4 for the correct understanding.

Revelation chapter 4
After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven.
And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”

Notice that in Revelation the Door that is Open in Heaven does not close.............

JESUS tells us what this 'Door' is and why it is Open in Heaven and exactly when this same 'Door' closes.

John chapter 10
Jesus says: "he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep"
Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.

Revelation 3:7-8
These things says He who is holy, He who is true, “He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens”:
“I know your works. See, I have set before you an open door, and no one can shut it; for you have a little strength, have kept My word, and have not denied My name.

SEE = JESUS is the Open Door = JESUS is the Gospel = the Gospel is the Open Door

Now the question remains - When does the Door shut? = Next Post - Part 3

Yes, and they did die that very same day. The word for "die" in Hebrew is used twice in the verse. It's called the infinitive absolute verb pairing. It's complex but a great subject to research to understand what the dual verbs mean in Hebrew.

ONLY their spirit/soul died the very same day.

Adam's physical body would eventually die 339,450 days later(approx) = not the very same day.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Genesis ch2 is Elohim = Let Us make man in Our Image according to Our Likeness"

Elohim created man to walk with Him = Genesis ch2

Genesis chapter 3 the Serpent/Satan tempts Eve and she sins and Adam follows her in sin = we know the story very well.

Genesis 2:16 - "And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”

Did Adam and Eve die the very day they ate the fruit?

Nor did they die 1,000 years later! And maybe you should read the Hebrew to understand what was fully said. For Adam did die that very day he ate the fruit- Spiritually! He became spiritually dead and then as the Hebrew fully says: " on the day you eat, in dying you shall surely die".

Adam was 930 years when he physically died! That is not 1,000 years. close enough is good for horseshoes and nuclear weapons, but not the word of God.

 

[David in NJ]

Nor did they die 1,000 years later! And maybe you should read the Hebrew to understand what was fully said. For Adam did die that very day he ate the fruit- Spiritually! He became spiritually dead and then as the Hebrew fully says: " on the day you eat, in dying you shall surely die".

Adam was 930 years when he physically died! That is not 1,000 years. close enough is good for horseshoes and nuclear weapons, but not the word of God.

i already covered that Adam died spiritually the very same day.

AND because Adam sinned he was not permitted to live 1,000 years.

The fact that Adam lived 930 years confirms God's original Plan for man that has been Redeemed in Christ = 1,000 Years.

Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands.
And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years(1,000 Years).

 

[The Light]

No, he doesn't. He just arrived in heaven to open the seals, all of them including the last one.

As I said, " Simple as pie. And yet somehow the obvious can't be seen."

The cosmic signs of Matthew 24 and Revelation 6 mark the event of the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. And somehow it is not seen. It boggles the mind.

When finished with the seals, he still remains in heaven.

Obviously He left heaven for the gathering from heaven and earth. Then returns to heaven with the great multitude. Simple as pie and agrees exactly with scripture.

You need to learn to identify prophecy of events VS. the actual events happening.

Ok. All events from the seals to the trumpets and vials are prophesy of events. I won't be here to identify actual events happening. I will be before the throne.

Jesus described the second coming on the Mt of Olives but he DID NOT commence the second coming just because he described it.

All events from the seals to the trumpets and vials are prophesy of events.

This same thing happens with the 6th seal. It does not happen when the seal is opened.

When the 6th seal is opened the cosmic signs of the sun, moon and stars occur as we can see in Matthew 24. Jesus returns for the harvest just as we can see in Matthew 24. Then the wrath God begins.

Rev cannot be understood until this is understood.

What John tells us in Revelation 6 is exactly what Jesus tells us in Matthew 24. The four horsemen of the Apocalypse, the first four seals are the beginning of sorrows of Matthew 24. The 5th seal occurs durning the great tribulation. The 6th seal is the coming of Jesus for the gathering from heaven and earth. THEN THE WRATH OF GOD BEGINS. If you don't understand that, you just don't understand.

 

[ewq1938]

What John tells us in Revelation 6 is exactly what Jesus tells us in Matthew 24.

Jesus described the second coming on the Mt of Olives but he DID NOT commence the second coming just because he described it. This same thing happens with the 6th seal. It does not happen when the seal is opened. What is in Matthew 24 is far more alike with the seals than you so far realize. Both passages tell us about future events, including the FUTURE second coming in both passages.

A description does not equal an event happening in real time! The second coming DID NOT happen in the OD and it's doesn't happen at the 6th seal either. It happens at the last and 7th trump.

How you cannot see what is obvious there is the real issue.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, and they did die that very same day. The word for "die" in Hebrew is used twice in the verse. It's called the infinitive absolute verb pairing. It's complex but a great subject to research to understand what the dual verbs mean in Hebrew.

i did not see it used twice in Strongs but maybe i missed something

The 'pairing' would make sense since there was a Pair to whom it was spoken to = Adam and Eve

Equally as well, the pairing would make sense since Adam died twice = immediately in his spirit/soul and the second time his flesh.

 

[ewq1938]

i did not see it used twice in Strongs but maybe i missed something

The 'pairing' would make sense since there was a Pair to whom it was spoken to = Adam and Eve

Equally as well, the pairing would make sense since Adam died twice = immediately in his spirit/soul and the second time his flesh.

It does not mean dying twice and has nothing to do with Adam and Eve as a pair of humans. It's use is for emphasis as well as signifying either a long slow death or an immediate death, depending on how it's written/spelled in the Hebrew as well as the verb's order of appearance. The form it's in signifies an immediate death.

Gen 2:17 But of the treeH4480 H6086 of the knowledgeH1847 of goodH2896 and evil,H7451 thou shalt notH3808 eatH398 ofH4480 it: forH3588 in the dayH3117 that thou eatestH398 thereofH4480 thou shalt surely die.H4191 H4191

 

[David in NJ]

It does not mean dying twice and has nothing to do with Adam and Eve as a pair of humans. It's use is for emphasis as well as signifying either a long slow death or an immediate death, depending on how it's written/spelled in the Hebrew as well as the verb's order of appearance. The form it's in signifies an immediate death.

Gen 2:17 But of the treeH4480 H6086 of the knowledgeH1847 of goodH2896 and evil,H7451 thou shalt notH3808 eatH398 ofH4480 it: forH3588 in the dayH3117 that thou eatestH398 thereofH4480 thou shalt surely die.H4191 H4191

Adam and Eve died an immediate spiritual death = "in the day you eat thereof" = not any other day but the very same day

Adam and Eve died again when their physical bodies died later.

This is why the Scripture says "It is appointed unto all men once to die after death the Judgement"

If a man/woman does not come to Christ they will die a Second Time = the Second Death

 

[The Light]

Jesus described the second coming on the Mt of Olives but he DID NOT commence the second coming just because he described it.

Both John in Revelation 6 and Jesus in Matthew 24 are describing the gathering from heaven and earth. It is the second harvest which we see here
Rev 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

In Revelation 14 we see the beginning of the wrath of God AFTER Jesus comes for the harvest.
We see the same beginning of the wrath of God in Revelation 6.

Revelation 6
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The 6th seal, is the coming Jesus in Matthew 24. That is why we see a great multitude in heaven BEFORE the wrath of God. This is the EXACT coming of Jesus in Revelation 14 for the harvest. IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS COMING TO THE MOUNT OF OLIVES AT THE END OF THE TRUMPETS. Completely different coming.

This same thing happens with the 6th seal. It does not happen when the seal is opened. What is in Matthew 24 is far more alike with the seals than you so far realize. Both passages tell us about future events, including the FUTURE second coming in both passages.

A description does not equal an event happening in real time! The second coming DID NOT happen in the OD and it's doesn't happen at the 6th seal either. It happens at the last and 7th trump.

How you cannot see what is obvious there is the real issue.

Why you can't see that Jesus returns BEFORE the wrath of God is a complete mystery. Then Jesus returns again at the end of the wrath of God. Jesus remains in the clouds and sends His angels in Matthew 24, Revelation 6 and Revelation 14
Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

 

[The Light]

PART 3 = this is the continuance beginning with Post #181 and Part 2 Post #182

Part 2 (Post 182) We found out that JESUS is the Open Door

Now we find out = When does the DOOR Shut?

JESUS told us exactly when HE shuts the DOOR = Luke 13:22-30 and Matthew 25:1-13 and Matthew 24:14

And He went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem.
Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”

And He said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God. And indeed there are last who will be first, and there are first who will be last.”


Matthew 25:1-13
Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.

“And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!’
Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’
And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding;
and the door was shut.

“Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world (Open Door) as a witness to all the nations,
and then the end will come (Door is Shut).

The GOSPEL is the OPEN DOOR of Salvation for ALL nations - this Open Door is shut by the LORD upon His Second Coming.


The MASTER of the House of God is Christ = Hebrews 3:4
For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God. And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward,
but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

Matthew 25

10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

 

[David in NJ]

Matthew 25

10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

You still cannot find a single pre-trib rapture verse in the entire length of Scripture = Genesis to Revelation

And He said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, many will seek to enter and will not be able.
When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’
Luke 13:22-27