How to Walk in Righteousness

[ChristisGod]

I thank God He didn’t allow what men have done to you to happen to me.

I’m not condoning sinful behavior or false teaching.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Yes I realize you are basing your belief on a solitary verse.

You’re not even basing yours on ONE.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I’m not condoning sinful behavior or false teaching.

You sure are!

 

[ChristisGod]

You’re not even basing yours on ONE.

Correct of the entire NT

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Correct of the entire NT

Right. Well, not ALL of the NT…you’ve stricken at least three verses thus far.

 

[Johann]

I'm not so sure about that myself. I don't mean in terms of writing new Scriptures, but apostles are "sent ones", aren't these the modern day missionaries? Going where the Gospel hasn't yet been preached?

Much love!

1) "Are all apostles?" (me pantes apostoloi) "Not all (are) apostles (are they)?" Paul asked seven successive rhetorical questions by use of parallelism. Each question implied a negative answer to be right.

2) "Are all prophets?" (me pantes prophetai) "All (are) not prophets (are they)?" Surely all church members were neither of the first four kinds name, 1) apostles, 2) prophets, 3) teachers, and 4) miracle

I’m not condoning sinful behavior or false teaching.

May the Lord help us all to stay true to the Scriptures.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Apostolos - sent one, person sent. (Sent only by men that is.)

Navi - One who declares or announces. (Announces what only men teach him that is.)

There really is nothing new under the sun…men just really like to steal vineyards I guess…

 

[APAK]

That wouldn’t be resetting truth. It never was truth. That would be the renewing of your mind and the removal of leaven.
But that isn’t going to happen unless men give up their doctrines and the traditions which theyve used to cancel out Gods word.

The key thought here I believe, for me anyway, where I have had to change my mind as you say SBG... is we still need doctrine (from men via the Spirit of God) that does work in our lives that is sound and harmonizes with scripture. That is at the heart of much debate, discord and disharmony in the Body of Christ throughout the centuries. And it's also the goal in our daily walk to know the truth in Christ and his Father. There are denominations that mirror each other, and others that vary slightly in doctrine and then those that are alien to others. The Spirit tells me to go with what it/personalized as he says to me. That's what I've been doing anyway for all these adult years.

And I also do not go to any established official denomination of Christian worship. I gave that up 30 odd years ago for some of the reasons you and Epi have made and more. I know also that Epi and maybe you are Binitarian, and I'm a Unitarian, and most in this 'Christian' world are Trinitarians....

This major difference alone, in the Nature of God and the Son trickles down into major hardline difference in doctrine, always. It's unavoidable.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

you have not listened to Me,” declares the Lord, “in order that you might provoke Me to anger with the work of your hands to your own harm.
They have turned back to the iniquities of their ancestors who refused to hear My words


All I’ve heard here is the work of men’s hands.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That’s just useless. No understanding has ever been arrived at by ignoring some of the verses.

Are you saying that John is greater than Paul?

And no, I’m not saying I’m sinless. I’ve very specifically stated, over and over again, that I’ve never walked in the Spirit. I have been weaned though.

Then were is your power?

Paul did not contradict John. Paul said the same thing in Romans 7 how he even struggled (present tense) with the flesh. And he did nto always do what was right. Or what he desired to do.

Are you greater than both of them?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We’ve sunk to the point that it can’t work. If you have more men to hand out and oversee more poison, it’s not going to do anything but poison more.
All I can think to do is start with a prophet at this point. Someone has to have the vision to begin to restore. What you do past that I can’t imagine…unless it’s to grow in unity and let the Spirit work…

There has to come a point where at least someone sees it’s not working and dares to stand up and say so. Someone has to eventually say, but where is the God of Paul?.?!

Thats how a lot of cults got started. False teachers who called themselves prophets.

But hey, God told us in these days there would be many

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's got a lot to do with how we get there.


Yes! Suffering is God's gift to us to pry us away from fleshiness. And it works! For the child of God.

James 1:2-4 KJV
2) My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
3) Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
4) But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

Let's fully believe this, and when suffering comes, as it will, and does, that we might be truly grateful! Thanking God for the work He is doing for us through our suffering changes the entire aspect of that suffering. I mean, pain still hurts, but we are not our bodies, we can rejoice in God's love, and be thankful regardless.

I don't mean to say it's easy, or anything like that. But as He builds our faith, we learn how to remain unmoved.

Much love!

Yes. The act of God continuing to sanctify us A lifetime project. Until we see him face to face

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I’m not a prophet and no one else is unless they are a false prophet. Prophets went by the wayside along with the Apostles at the same time.

You only need prophets if the word of God is incomplete.

people need prophets when the Bible does not support their doctrines.

Thats again how cults are formed

 

[Johann]

you have not listened to Me,” declares the Lord, “in order that you might provoke Me to anger with the work of your hands to your own harm.
They have turned back to the iniquities of their ancestors who refused to hear My words


All I’ve heard here is the work of men’s hands.

You quote scriptures out of context

a. Jeremiah had begun to prophecy during the thirteenth year of Josiah's reign, (2Ch_34:1-3; 2Ch_34:8).
b. Four years have passed since Josiah was slain in the battle of Carchemish.
3. Numerous other prophets have been sent - urging Judah to abandon the worship of other gods, and to return to Jehovah - and with similar results, (vs. 4-5; Jer_26:4-6; Jer_4:1-2; Jer_35:15; Isa_55:6-7; Eze_18:30; comp. Jon_3:8-10).
4. Though they should have, long ago, learned the exorbitant cost of rebellion, the people of Judah seemed determined to provoke the anger of Jehovah, (vs. 6-7; Jer_7:19; Jer_32:30-33; comp. 2Ki_17:17; 2Ki_21:12-15).
a. From ancient times they have been forbidden to bow before foreign gods, (Deu_6:14; Deu_8:19; 2Ki_17:34-36).
b. By "the works of your hands" He obviously includes the making of idols as objects of adoration and worship!
c. But, Judah has refused to heed the word of Jehovah. 5. Jeremiah is teaching that uncomplaining submission to the judgments of God is Man's surest hope for the future.

Seems you have a strong aversion to anything "men"

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What you have done is given all control to men. God is not allowed to appoint, anoint or send anyone out. Only men get to do that. No Holy Spirit. Which brings us back to what Epi said - what you think is a church is definitely not. It’s just men dressed in suits who other men approve of…

Nope

thats what lone wolf people who call themselves prophets do

God appointed elders in the church. And gave them the task of weeding out false prophets

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I thank God He didn’t allow what men have done to you to happen to me.

Says the one who blindly follows a MAN

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I’ve never even GONE to a church except a handful of times and even I can see you aren’t going by scripture…

How can one be a christian walking wiht God and fail to assemble together like Paul commanded them to?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Then were is your power?

You aren’t listening. I have never walked in the Spirit.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Thats how a lot of cults got started. False teachers who called themselves prophets.

But hey, God told us in these days there would be many

Oh well, Christophany fixed that. The only prophets today are false ones. Problem solved.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You aren’t listening. I have never walked in the Spirit.

then you should not be in here trying to teach people or tell them anything about God.

and you should repent and Ask God why he has failed you so far and seek answers to why he has not given you a spirit if you are saved.