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It was made by Jesus Christ, Who is both God and man. It is directed by humans whom He calls to do so. (A "vocation" is a callling, not a self-appointment.)
No it wasn't. That is your biased view. No such thing as a catholic in the New Testament Church. So God calls Popes who produce children with someone who is not his wife.

And where does the scripture talk about praying to the saints? Complete bunkum.
 

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Did you know that one method of abortion is to tear the baby limb from limb whilst it is still alive? I bet you would not like that to happen to you.
 

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That is why I asked them questions. If I can't believe what Catholics told me who do I believe?
You've hit on an important point. Catechesis, at least in western affluent society, is abysmal. And it's not a recent problem. It's now generational. I would wager that a majority of Catholics in this country have about a 2nd grade education in the faith. The sad thing is that there are so many resources now available for them to "catch up" and learn their faith. Yes, the Church does have the fullness of Divine Revelation, handed on from Christ to the Apostles, who did likewise to their successors, the bishops. But many problems crop up if the lay people aren't being taught, as Christ commanded. From whom much is given, much will be required. Faith in poor countries like in Africa is thriving. We're even getting some priests from Africa to make up for the lack of vocations here in the U.S. In fact, we have one at our parish.
 

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Wrong! As James says:
the body without the spirit is dead,” James 2

A fetus is nothing more than an earthly tent in the process of being manufactured. Upon completion, the fetus will be ejected from the manufacturing facility, upon which God will breath into its nostrils the breath of life making it a LIVING being.

Back to the drawing board!
So according to you quoting James- the fetus is a dead thing? That has been proven false- it is living! An infant who is three weeks old is still being manufactured! The child breathes in the womb, has a heartbeat, a circulatory system and moves! It is alive.

All unsaved people according to your strict interpretation of James are not alive according to Ephesians then for all unsaved are dead spiritually.
 

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but they both have complete DNA codes so using DNA as evidence of life just doesn't work
But it is. For to the pro abort crowd, they say a fetus is only a potential human. But if you want strict personhood evidence, it has its own DNA, its own blood type, is growing according to the genetic plan, at a certain point has a heartbeat and circulatory system, breathes and moves! Acorpse has a degenerating DNA while a fetus has a generating DNA.
 

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So according to you quoting James- the fetus is a dead thing? That has been proven false- it is living! An infant who is three weeks old is still being manufactured! The child breathes in the womb, has a heartbeat, a circulatory system and moves! It is alive.

All unsaved people according to your strict interpretation of James are not alive according to Ephesians then for all unsaved are dead spiritually.
JAMES is the one who says that without the spirit the fetus is dead thing
Confirmed by other Scriptures which say one does not become a living being until God breathes into it's nostrils the Breath [Spirit] of Life.

If you choose to reject Scripture, and replace it with some false religion of your own, that's YOUR option! But as for me, I will follow Scripture.
 

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JAMES is the one who says that without the spirit the fetus is dead thing
Confirmed by other Scriptures which say one does not become a living being until God breathes into it's nostrils the Breath [Spirit] of Life.

If you choose to reject Scripture, and replace it with some false religion of your own, that's YOUR option! But as for me, I will follow Scripture.
No, you follow the propaganda of the pro abortion movement!

God told Jeremiah that before He was even born God KNEW HIm ( had a relationship with Him) So according to you God descends everytime a baby is born and breathes in their nostrils the breath of life? You really donot know the Scriptures then concerning how God started life and then set it in an order.

Even in teh Mosaic law it shows if a man hits a pregnant woman and the baby dies, he is gulty of manslaughter!
 

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>>No, you follow the propaganda of the pro abortion movement!
Quite the opposite! You are following the false teaching of the anti-abortion movement!

>>God told Jeremiah that before He was even born God KNEW HIm ( had a relationship with Him) So according to you God descends everytime a baby is born and breathes in their nostrils the breath of life? You really donot know the Scriptures then concerning how God started life and then set it in an order.

Are you totally nuts!?!? God knew EVERYONE before the beginning of the world!! How you figure that has anything to do with abortion, is beyond normal common sense. Ultimately, you are revealing that you can't find a single passage in all of Scripture that forbids abortion!

>>Even in teh Mosaic law it shows if a man hits a pregnant woman and the baby dies, he is gulty of manslaughter!

The Bible says no such thing!! That passage of Scripture has to do with an eye for an eye and a life for a life law. For the miscarred fetus, the man was only required to pay a fine, ie like a parking ticket.

You are talking to someone who has studied Scripture, and you are obviously skirting around the Levitical Law that not only approves of abortion, but in some instances demands it!!! Come back when you have taken the time to read the Bible, rather than the political bull being spouted to from pulpits these days.
 
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No, you follow the propaganda of the pro abortion movement!

God told Jeremiah that before He was even born God KNEW HIm ( had a relationship with Him) So according to you God descends everytime a baby is born and breathes in their nostrils the breath of life? You really donot know the Scriptures then concerning how God started life and then set it in an order.

Even in teh Mosaic law it shows if a man hits a pregnant woman and the baby dies, he is gulty of manslaughter!
Calling it "the pro abortion movement" is propaganda
 
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You are absolutely right!
One thing I have noticed about most Christian Boards they all get their fair share of people writing on them who have no idea what they are talking about. I guess it is an opportunity to regale us with what they don't know and try and make it sound as though they do know.

They give the impression that because they said it therefore it must be right. it makes me wonder what churches out there are teaching or not teaching. In a lot of cases can't be much.
 

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One thing I have noticed about most Christian Boards they all get their fair share of people writing on them who have no idea what they are talking about. I guess it is an opportunity to regale us with what they don't know and try and make it sound as though they do know.

They give the impression that because they said it therefore it must be right. it makes me wonder what churches out there are teaching or not teaching. In a lot of cases can't be much.
It's easy to see why people support killing babies. The Satanic, America hating, Left media has brainwashed them. Hopefully God will deliver some of them from Hell fire!
 
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The difficulty is that which is flesh is flesh, and a newly conceived body of flesh has that which exists in hope, but not more than spirit. Some people see the hope, others don't; some people agree with the spirit, some don't.

This is why I have argued the point that those who don't see the hope, should be compelled to give it to those who both see the hope and agree with the spirit, by law.

If you can't make a law, for the sake of saving children, what hope have you got, of saving yourself?