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Augustin56

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The bottom line, @Augustin56 is that to be a Catholic one must believe that the Bible is NOT the complete word of God for men here on Earth. No, the Bible does not contain ALL truths but it does contain what we need to be a follower of Christ. Undoubtedly our education will continue in the hereafter.

I cannot be a Catholic because to be a Catholic is to follow doctrines that are contrary to what God tells us. I encourage you to follow the God of the Bible rather than the worldly institution known as the Catholic Church.
Patrick, let me rewrite a part of your post to make it accurate...

I cannot be a Catholic because to be a Catholic is to follow doctrines that I have created by my self-interpretation of the Bible that the Catholic Church provided me and that are contrary to what I personally think God tells us.

There are literally thousands of man-made, doctrinally contradicting Protestant denominations, all founded on some individual's personal interpretation of the Bible, which is in direct violation of what the Bible itelf says in 2 Peter 1:20-21.

Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the Holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.
 

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Patrick, let me rewrite a part of your post to make it accurate...

I cannot be a Catholic because to be a Catholic is to follow doctrines that I have created by my self-interpretation of the Bible that the Catholic Church provided me and that are contrary to what I personally think God tells us.

There are literally thousands of man-made, doctrinally contradicting Protestant denominations, all founded on some individual's personal interpretation of the Bible, which is in direct violation of what the Bible itelf says in 2 Peter 1:20-21.

Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the Holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.

Does the Pope in this picture appear to be humbling himself?

Matthew 23:12
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

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No it's not. You have been deceived. The church founded by Christ was hijacked by the apostate system known as Catholicism.
You cannot show me a Church that existed before the Catholic Church. Not one! Even the well-known Protestant historian, J.N.D. Kelly acknowledges that the Catholic Church was first.

You have a Bible, thanks to the Catholic Church! It was hand copied over the centuries by monks, until the printing press was invented.

You have to explain, if you believe in Protestantism, how did the beliefs that differ from the original beliefs taught from the beginning of Christianity by the Catholic Church changed? Did an angel come down and hand Martin Luther a list of changes? Or did Jesus? How did the constant teaching from the beginning come to be changed by Protestantism?
 

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Does the Pope in this picture appear to be humbling himself?

Matthew 23:12
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

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The Pope sits in the dynastic office created by Christ to govern and sanctify His Church as His second-in-command. The "keys to the kingdom" were given this position in Matt. 16:19. Everyone in Jesus' time and region understood that the keys were a symbol of office of the king's second-in-command. Whenever the king wasn't available, the second-in-command ran the kingdom. Whatever he loosed, and whatever he bound, was upheld by the king upon his return. We claim Christ as our King! The Pope is His second-in-command. If you have a problem with that, then take it up with Jesus, since He established it!
 

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I agree. I don't belong to any of them. We are the church, my brother, not any denomination.
Christ's Church is not a mass of humanly founded organizations, all believing something different. Christ founded a (one!) Church and gave it the fullness of Divine Revelation, along with His Divine authority to teach and preach. He never gave anyone the authority to found a church apart from the one He founded. That would imply His Church failed and these mere mortals were going to do a better job than Christ.
 

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Christ's Church is not a mass of humanly founded organizations, all believing something different. Christ founded a (one!) Church and gave it the fullness of Divine Revelation, along with His Divine authority to teach and preach. He never gave anyone the authority to found a church apart from the one He founded. That would imply His Church failed and these mere mortals were going to do a better job than Christ.
The Catholic Church is a worldly organization that is loved and adored by the world. It is the only faith system recognized by the world as being its own nation. It also participates at the United Nations.

John 15:19
If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
 

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The Catholic Church is a worldly organization that is loved and adored by the world. It is the only faith system recognized by the world as being its own nation. It also participates at the United Nations.

John 15:19
If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
The anti-Catholicism is the last accepted bigotry in the world. The only unifying principle among Protestants is anti-Catholicism. How do you imagine that the Catholic Church is "loved" by the world?
 

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Unbiblical and demonstrably FALSE.
Then you don't know what the Bible says. Clearly. There is ample evidence in the New Testament that Peter was first in authority among the apostles. Whenever they were named, Peter headed the list (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13); sometimes the apostles were referred to as “Peter and those who were with him” (Luke 9:32). Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, 17:24-27; Mark 10:23-28). On Pentecost it was Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts 2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the Church age (Acts 3:6-7).
It is Peter’s faith that will strengthen his brethren (Luke 22:32) and Peter is given Christ’s flock to shepherd (John 21:17). An angel was sent to announce the resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen Christ appeared first to Peter (Luke 24:34). He headed the meeting that elected Matthias to replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the first converts (Acts 2:41). He inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11) and excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23). He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15) and announced the first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11). It was to Peter that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48).

Peter the Rock​

Peter’s preeminent position among the apostles was symbolized at the very beginning of his relationship with Christ. At their first meeting, Christ told Simon that his name would thereafter be Peter, which translates as “Rock” (John 1:42). The startling thing was that—aside from the single time that Abraham is called a “rock” (Hebrew: Tsur; Aramaic: Kepha) in Isaiah 51:1-2—in the Old Testament only God was called a rock. The word rock was not used as a proper name in the ancient world. If you were to turn to a companion and say, “From now on your name is Asparagus,” people would wonder: Why Asparagus? What is the meaning of it? What does it signify? Indeed, why call Simon the fisherman “Rock”?
Christ was not given to meaningless gestures, and neither were the Jews when it came to names. Giving a new name meant that the status of the person was changed, as when Abram’s name was changed to Abraham (Gen.17:5), Jacob’s to Israel (Gen. 32:28), Eliakim’s to Joakim (2 Kgs. 23:34), or the names of the four Hebrew youths—Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah to Belteshazzar, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego (Dan. 1:6-7). But no Jew had ever been called “Rock.” The Jews would give other names taken from nature, such as Deborah (“bee,” Gen. 35:8), and Rachel (“ewe,” Gen. 29:16), but never “Rock.” In the New Testament James and John were nicknamed Boanerges, meaning “Sons of Thunder,” by Christ, but that was never regularly used in place of their original names, and it certainly was not given as a new name. But in the case of Simon-bar-Jonah, his new name Kephas (Greek: Petros) definitely replaced the old.

Promises to Peter​

When he first saw Simon, “Jesus looked at him, and said, ‘So you are Simon the son of John? You shall be called Cephas (which means Peter)’” (John 1:42). The word Cephas is merely the transliteration of the Aramaic Kepha into Greek. Later, after Peter and the other disciples had been with Christ for some time, they went to Caesarea Philippi, where Peter made his profession of faith: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God” (Matt. 16:16). Jesus told him that this truth was specially revealed to him, and then he solemnly reiterated: “And I tell you, you are Peter” (Matt. 16:18). To this was added the promise that the Church would be founded, in some way, on Peter (Matt. 16:18).
Then two important things were told the apostle. “Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven” (Matt. 16:19). Here Peter was singled out for the authority that provides for the forgiveness of sins and the making of disciplinary rules. Later the apostles as a whole would be given similar power [Matt.18:18], but here Peter received it in a special sense.
Peter alone was promised something else also: “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 16:19). In ancient times, keys were the hallmark of authority. A walled city might have one great gate; and that gate had one great lock, worked by one great key. To be given the key to the city—an honor that exists even today, though its import is lost—meant to be given free access to and authority over the city. The city to which Peter was given the keys was the heavenly city itself. This symbolism for authority is used elsewhere in the Bible (Isa. 22:22, Rev. 1:18).
Finally, after the Resurrection, Jesus appeared to his disciples and asked Peter three times, “Do you love me?” (John 21:15-17). In repentance for his threefold denial, Peter gave a threefold affirmation of love. Then Christ, the Good Shepherd (John 10:11, 14), gave Peter the authority he earlier had promised: “Feed my sheep” (John 21:17). This specifically included the other apostles, since Jesus asked Peter, “Do you love me more than these?” (John 21:15), the word “these” referring to the other apostles who were present (John 21:2). Thus was completed the prediction made just before Jesus and his followers went for the last time to the Mount of Olives.
Immediately before his denials were predicted, Peter was told, “Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again [after the denials], strengthen your brethren” (Luke 22:31-32). It was Peter who Christ prayed would have faith that would not fail and that would be a guide for the others; and his prayer, being perfectly efficacious, was sure to be fulfilled.

Who is the rock?​

Now take a closer look at the key verse: “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church” (Matt. 16:18). Disputes about this passage have always been related to the meaning of the term “rock.” To whom, or to what, does it refer? Since Simon’s new name of Peter itself means rock, the sentence could be rewritten as: “You are Rock and upon this rock I will build my Church.” The play on words seems obvious, but commentators wishing to avoid what follows from this—namely the establishment of the papacy—have suggested that the word rock could not refer to Peter but must refer to his profession of faith or to Christ.
From the grammatical point of view, the phrase “this rock” must relate back to the closest noun. Peter’s profession of faith (“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God”) is two verses earlier, while his name, a proper noun, is in the immediately preceding clause.

Another alternative​

The previous argument also settles the question of whether the word refers to Christ himself, since he is mentioned within the profession of faith. The fact that he is elsewhere, by a different metaphor, called the cornerstone (Eph. 2:20, 1 Pet. 2:4-8) does not disprove that here Peter is the foundation. Christ is naturally the principal and, since he will be returning to heaven, the invisible foundation of the Church that he will establish; but Peter is named by him as the secondary and, because he and his successors will remain on earth, the visible foundation. Peter can be a foundation only because Christ is the cornerstone.
In fact, the New Testament contains five different metaphors for the foundation of the Church (Matt. 16:18, 1 Cor. 3:11, Eph. 2:20, 1 Pet. 2:5-6, Rev. 21:14). One cannot take a single metaphor from a single passage and use it to twist the plain meaning of other passages. Rather, one must respect and harmonize the different passages, for the Church can be described as having different foundations since the word foundation can be used in different senses.

Look at the Aramaic​

Opponents of the Catholic interpretation of Matthew 16:18 sometimes argue that in the Greek text the name of the apostle is Petros, while “rock” is rendered as petra. They claim that the former refers to a small stone, while the latter refers to a massive rock; so, if Peter was meant to be the massive rock, why isn’t his name Petra?
Note that Christ did not speak to the disciples in Greek. He spoke Aramaic, the common language of Palestine at that time. In that language the word for rock is kepha, which is what Jesus called him in everyday speech (note that in John 1:42 he was told, “You will be called Cephas“). What Jesus said in Matthew 16:18 was: “You are Kepha, and upon this kepha I will build my Church.”
When Matthew’s Gospel was translated from the original Aramaic to Greek, there arose a problem which did not confront the evangelist when he first composed his account of Christ’s life. In Aramaic the word kepha has the same ending whether it refers to a rock or is used as a man’s name. In Greek, though, the word for rock, petra, is feminine in gender. The translator could use it for the second appearance of kepha in the sentence, but not for the first because it would be inappropriate to give a man a feminine name. So he put a masculine ending on it, and hence Peter became Petros.
 

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Yes, Jesus called Peter "a rock", not the rock.
Neither is correct. The proper translation into English is “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church.” Peter means "rock," not "a rock" and not "the rock" but "rock." It was a new name that Christ (God) gave Simon. Like when God renamed Abram to Abraham, Jacob to Israel, Jesus changed Simon's name to Peter (Rock).
 

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Neither is correct. The proper translation into English is “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church.” Peter means "rock," not "a rock" and not "the rock" but "rock." It was a new name that Christ (God) gave Simon. Like when God renamed Abram to Abraham, Jacob to Israel, Jesus changed Simon's name to Peter (Rock).
My brother, even Peter acknowledged that Jesus is the "stone" or, rather, the cornerstone. You have been misled.


1 Peter 2:7-9 ESV
So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe, “The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,” and “A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do. But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
 

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Yes, the Left is FILLED with Satanic propaganda! They own the media!
As I have studied Scripture.

B efore we go further- show me one verse in or passage in Scripture that demands an abortion!
Stan makes false statements about Scripture to promote killing and eating babies.
 
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